RESTORED ISOLATED SCORE: Star Wars Saga (Unused Music Restored To Picture)

[Faleel 5,333]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

FYI: This would have been placed within the scene where Luke and Obi-Wan are preparing to leave Mos Eisley in the same spot as the Jabba scene in the special edition, just after the alien spy reports spotting them and just before “If the ship’s as fast as he’s boasting, we ought to do well”.

Thnaks for posting that, I have been thinking of doing "extended cuts" of the Saga with restored deleted scenes and music, with new cues where needed for a while.

[Demodex 557]

It's surprising it's not on the SE soundtrack. 

[Jay 37,283]

It's surprising that something that was never recorded isn't on an album?

[Holko 9,499]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

FYI: This would have been placed within the scene where Luke and Obi-Wan are preparing to leave Mos Eisley in the same spot as the Jabba scene in the special edition, just after the alien spy reports spotting them and just before “If the ship’s as fast as he’s boasting, we ought to do well”.

Ah, that simple crossfade. Can't say I can easily imagine this at that spot in the cue.

[Faleel 5,333]

6 minutes ago, Holko said:

Ah, that simple crossfade. Can't say I can easily imagine this at that spot in the cue.

Well, most likely the rest of the cue was at least slightly different

[Holko 9,499]

Yeah, he probably didn't just throw out a page and call it a day. Maybe a more extensive mockup could show that wider context

[Demodex 557]

17 minutes ago, Jay said:

It's surprising that something that was never recorded isn't on an album?

 

Oh. I thought it was recorded for the film.  

[Holko 9,499]

11 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

However, this was removed in the revision 5M6R, which was the only one recorded.

 

[Demodex 557]

Ah. I misunderstood. 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

40 minutes ago, Holko said:

Yeah, he probably didn't just throw out a page and call it a day. Maybe a more extensive mockup could show that wider context

That’s basically what he did, though! There’s an instruction in the “unfilled” full score of the 5M6 revision to make old measure 36 the new measure 25 and copy the rest to the end:

 

 

Other than an added trombone chord in the first bar after the cut (shown above), everything else stayed exactly the same.

[Holko 9,499]

Huh.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

22 hours ago, Holko said:

Ah, that simple crossfade. Can't say I can easily imagine this at that spot in the cue.

So, I’ve added a few seconds before and after the deleted bit to provide better context how it would have fit: 

And here’s the raw original scene without music, including with Vader dialog still spoken by David Prowse and some very squeaky droids wheeling about: 

 

This footage ended up being repurposed for the infamous Star Wars Holiday Special, for which James Earl Jones recorded new dialog.

[Jay 37,283]

On 6/26/2020 at 1:28 AM, BrotherSound said:

The cue 5M6 Inner City from the original 1977 Star Wars included a section for a brief deleted scene of Darth Vader and an officer walking through the Death Star. However, this was removed in the revision 5M6R, which was the only one recorded.

 

So, I thought I’d mock it up, especially because as a timpanist, I’m always game to hear more of John Williams’ great soloistic writing for the instrument (Death Star establishing shots borrowed from Rogue One):

 

 

 

Thanks!  That was really cool to see.  That's neat that we got the entirety of that deleted scene, at least we can assume so since its length matches the sheet music you have.

 

Any chance you'd considering doing an edit of the entire 5M6 original version, with your mockup added to the rest of the cue as recorded as 5M6R, and sync that to the proper footage?  That could be really interesting to see.

 

On 6/26/2020 at 10:19 PM, BrotherSound said:

So, I’ve added a few seconds before and after the deleted bit to provide better context how it would have fit: 

 

Ooops didn't see you had already made this, this is great!  I think a full, entire cue version would still be very cool as well

[Faleel 5,333]

On 6/26/2020 at 1:47 PM, BrotherSound said:

That’s basically what he did, though! There’s an instruction in the “unfilled” full score of the 5M6 revision to make old measure 36 the new measure 25 and copy the rest to the end:

 

 

Other than an added trombone chord in the first bar after the cut , everything else stayed exactly the same.

 

[Jay 37,283]

I know that.  A video showcasing everything cut together would still be worthwhile IMHO

[Holko 9,499]

On 6/27/2020 at 4:19 AM, BrotherSound said:

So, I’ve added a few seconds before and after the deleted bit to provide better context how it would have fit: 

 

I think this is perfectly satisfactory.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

@Jay @The River (Fal) dammit you guys are using the same profile image, so I keep getting you both mixed up. I thought Jay was arguing with himself!

 

[Faleel 5,333]

9 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

@Jay @The River (Fal) dammit you guys are using the same profile image, so I keep getting you both mixed up. I thought Jay was arguing with himself!

 

We need a new Williams release!

[Jay 37,283]

Mine's cropped better

 

And yes let's hope another wonderful Williams expansion is heading our way soon!

[Faleel 5,333]

It's also missing content.

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Mine's cropped better

 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I thought you were talking to yourself since since you have redundant avatars. 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

After doing some tests, I think that the first part of "Anakin Defeats Sebulba" should actually go to when Sebulba first catches up to Anakin, and that little dongle thing is starting to come off his engine, and not during the service ramp scene.

 

Is that section of the cue even in the sheet music?

[Jay 37,283]

IIRC all the music is in the sheet leak, but it's the orchestrated sheets, not the original sketches, so they don't have any information about on-screen action on them.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

21 minutes ago, Jay said:

IIRC all the music is in the sheet leak, but it's the orchestrated sheets, not the original sketches, so they don't have any information about on-screen action on them.

 

I have the sheets, but I can't read music well. I just wanted to be 100% sure that that part of the cue was indeed from 4M2.

 

If that is the case, then I don't imagine it would have scored the service ramp scene, otherwise it would have likely been a separate cue considering both scenes are so far apart.

 

EDIT: The sheet music states that 4M2 is 2:00, that would line up exactly with the second portion of the cue. The first part on the other hand is approx. 0:45, which is unaccounted for in the sheets.

 

@The River (Fal) out of curiosity what was your reason for editing that section of the cue to the service ramp scene? Was that just an estimation?

[Faleel 5,333]

IIRC, the Podrace videos were made prior to the sheets leaking, which have 3m10 (Sebulba sabotage to Jabba), 3m11 The Race Begins (the beginning being used in the film for Anakin's podracer coming apart and the end for Sebulba crashing), and 4m2 Anakin Defeats Sebulba.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

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[Faleel 5,333]

What section? The Service ramp section is the end of 3m11...

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

1 hour ago, The River (Fal) said:

What section? The Service ramp section is the end of 3m11...

 

Ah crap, I didn't check the end of 3m11. I was thinking it was part of 4m2 for some reason. Nevermind then, disregard my comments.

 

This is certainly one of the more confusing cues I've come across in terms of it's placement in the film. There are like 3 different places where it could belong, and sync up to each of them well.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

I have a new side channel for anyone interested, in which I will be uploading my edits of unused music restored to the films:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkKHiCC2NdURVf8ECqfiEhA

 

EDIT: Let's see how long I can keep it up before YouTube removes it.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

I always noticed that Yoda Strikes Back is much shorter than the sequence in the film, so for fun I attempted to edit the footage to the music as accurately to how I think the scene originally was as I possibly could. I guarantee it is probably not very accurate.

 

Yoda Strikes Back Re-Edit

 

[Fabulin 3,510]

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[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

 

9 hours ago, Fabulin said:

1M4a has a weird moment of a decrease in volume in the beginning fanfare. Doesn't it sound unnatural to you? I took it to audacity and a simple amplification by +2dB in that moment seems to help a lot.

 

Then there is that micro-edit about five seconds in, which has proven very easy to remove. Did you add it?

 

I haven't finished my updated TPM edit yet, this is from my old edit from years before the sheet music even leaked, and the editing isn't on par with how I'd do it now.

[ragoz350 450]

Sorry for the question, which has probably been discussed many times, but why is the Flag Parade ~2 times shorter than the corresponding scene in TPM? The feeling that in the old edit, except for Sebulba and Anakin, no one was "announced", which is strange...

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

On 3/27/2021 at 12:49 PM, ragoz350 said:

Sorry for the question, which has probably been discussed many times, but why is the Flag Parade ~2 times shorter than the corresponding scene in TPM? The feeling that in the old edit, except for Sebulba and Anakin, no one was "announced", which is strange...

 

That is the reason. In the theatrical cut (also released on VHS and Laserdisc) only Anakin and Sebulba are introduced. In ~2001 George was able to go back and change a few things for the DVD release, including a longer "flag parade" sequence, longer podrace, and alternate/longer arrival on Coruscant. They also finished up several deleted scenes at the same time for the bonus disc. In the theatrical cut the music fits almost perfectly.

[Faleel 5,333]

Which version of Flag Parade was used? The short version or the long version?

[Moseycreative 0]

What an incredible resource - thank you! Do you know where one could find the conductor score for these or for any other JW film - I’m looking for scores for individual cues rather than orchestral suites - having a hard time finding them anywhere! 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

1 hour ago, Falco said:

Which version of Flag Parade was used? The short version or the long version?

 

I'll find the theatrical clip and upload it...

 

Alright I used a 35mm film scan for better quality, hope you guys don't mind Czech audio. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VlKGctVplMVJTleJUPfiHlBoSrlNhau3/view?usp=sharing

 

There might be a *tiny* difference in speed due to this being a film scan, so you might need to resync the footage or music if doing an isolated score.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

I was surprised to discover how much longer the OST version of 'We Go Together' from TROS is, even accounting for how the two parts (2M6 The Medal and 2M7 Ship Trip) were separated in the film, though it seems pretty clear the original intention was for them to overlap as they do on the OST.

 

I'm fairly certain that unused march section was meant to accompany a brief deleted scene of Maz and Leia watching the Falcon depart: this exact dialogue is found in both the novelization from Rae Carson and junior novelization from Michael Kogge, and—in my opinion—seems to fit this bit of music perfectly.

I'm less certain about the longer first section: there's a brief exchange between Rey and Rose here in Rey Carson's novelization, yet it's still longer than seems to fit. I've cut quite a bit of it out. The title of 2M6 The Medal is also a mystery, because there is notably no shot of Han's medal anywhere in this scene in the finished film. My speculation is that perhaps that opening flourish accompanied a shot of it. Notably, a similar flourish accompanies the appearance of Leia's saber much later in the film (in 7M10 Leia's Sabre, the last part of 'Destiny of a Jedi'). Or maybe the medal was glimpsed later when Rey and Leia say their goodbyes.

 

[Falstaft 2,132]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

I was surprised to discover how much longer the OST version of 'We Go Together' from TROS is, even accounting for how the two parts (2M6 The Medal and 2M7 Ship Trip) were separated in the film, though it seems pretty clear the original intention was for them to overlap as they do on the OST.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fCo9ofENyd7tv86miTJMjxGDiWrTxP7T/view?usp=sharing

 

Brilliant work, @BrotherSound. 

 

Heard in the right context, like this, you can really tell how much Williams knocked it out of the park in TROS when it came to emotionally satisfying, musically coherent long spans of densely thematic underscore. 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

8 minutes ago, Falstaft said:

Brilliant work, @BrotherSound. 

 

Thanks! It's just interesting to try imagine based on the available sources what may have been intended.

 

9 minutes ago, Falstaft said:

Heard in the right context, like this, you can really tell how much Williams knocked it out of the park in TROS when it came to emotionally satisfying, musically coherent long spans of densely thematic underscore. 

 

And yet, there's so few places left in the film where that's allowed to happen! I had thought this was one of the rare cases that was still fairly close, but there's still about 30 seconds micro-edited out of 2M6 and about 20 seconds from 2M7 versus the OST, which may itself be micro-edited...

[BrotherSound 2,242]

Despite being the Star Wars film that had the most music recorded—an astonishing 226 minutes!—The Rise of Skywalker must set a new record for tracking in the Star Wars films, borrowing over 7 minutes of music from 4 other episodes. There's more than 3 minutes from TFA, over 2 minutes from TLJ, about 1:30 from ROTS, and 0:45 from ROTJ. And even though there was already 6 minutes of tracked music in the November 11th cut, still more was added afterwards.

 

I recently realized that part of the scene of Rey healing the snake appears to be tracked with 0M8 Saying Goodbye to the Fathier from The Last Jedi. Oddly, the excerpt in TROS is actually at the correct pitch; it was raised a half-step in TLJ (from the written C major to C-sharp). Here's a comparison:

 

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

Looks like the tracked-over portion of ‘The Old Death Star’ (most likely from 5M10 Landing At ?) still fits the final edit of The Rise of Skywalker. In the film, this was replaced with bits of 0M1 Children’s School, 7M1 Seven One, and possibly 3M4 Quicksand!, though that title is conspicuously missing from the GEMA database, which typically contains only cues that actually appear in a film.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fjlrlhc22G-y9se1KNgFG5ToQrUvULoD/view?usp=drivesdk

 

The emphasis on Poe’s theme here in the film version definitely stood out to me as odd, so I wasn’t surprised to learn it wasn’t intended for this scene. Though it’s actually one of only two uses of Poe’s theme in the entire film. (The other is this same bit from 7M1, but where it was intended to be heard, during a later conversation between Finn and Poe.)

 

Poe’s theme is also featured in ‘Battle of the Resistance’ (7M12 Seven Twelve), and ‘Reunion’ (9M3 Bows), but neither of these made the film.

[Jay 37,283]

Oh wow I don't think I noticed or knew before that the Poe's theme in the Old Death Star film/FYC version is the same recording as the later Poe's theme statement during the talk with Finn

 

I'm glad it's known now where all the tracked music in this scene in the film/FYC came from, I remember we originally thought it was an insert that just didn't get inserted into the OST track!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

Here's my most elaborate restored score video so far.

 

'Destiny of a Jedi' is majorly hacked up in the film vs. what's on the album, with many sections rearranged or dropped.

 

For the curious, here's everything that's different:

Quote

Album track

 

7M2 Rey Meets Luke

A. Intro 0:00-0:22

6M20 Sabre Toss

B. Rey’s Theme (c minor) 0:22-0:38

C. Force Theme Loud (c minor) 0:38-1:01

D. Sparkly Bit (f minor) 1:01-1:05

E. Transition 1:05-1:13

7M3 Luke’s Advice

F. Mournful 1:13-1:27 (c-sharp minor)

G. Hopeful 1:27-1:44 (C major)

H. Rey B (e minor) 1:44-2:05

I. Anthem of Evil (a minor) 2:05-2:30

J. Serious 2:30-2:43

K. Force Theme Quiet (d-flat minor) 2:43-3:01

7M10 Leia’s Sabre

L. Clarinet Solo (d minor) 3:01-3:10

M. Saber Reveal 3:10-3:16

N. Leia’s Theme (E-flat major) 3:16-3:40

O. Luke’s Theme (F major) 3:40-3:59

P. Friendship Theme (A-flat major) 3:59-4:20

Q. Yoda’s Theme (E major) 4:20-end

 

Film Version

 

6M20 Sabre Toss

D. Sparkly bit - pitched up a half step (f-sharp minor)

7M2 Rey Meets Luke

A. Intro

6M20 Sabre Toss

B. Rey’s Theme A

C. Force Theme Loud

E. Transition

~10 seconds of silence

7M3 Luke’s Advice

F. Mournful

H. Rey B - pitched up a half step (f-minor)

K. Force Theme Quiet - pitched down three half steps (b-flat minor) and time-stretched (the triplets?)

7M10 Leia’s Sabre

L. Clarinet solo

M. Saber Reveal

N. Leia’s Theme

7M3 Luke’s Advice

G. Hopeful - pitched down a whole step (B-flat major)

7M10 Leia’s Sabre

O. Luke’s Theme

P. Friendship Theme

Q. Yoda’s Theme

 

Unused:

I. Anthem of Evil

J. Serious

 

The rumors have consistently pointed to the Luke/Leia flashback being a late addition to the scene, originally intended to be the very opening of the film, so I was curious what that music may have been intended for, and I believe I've found some dialogue from the Rae Carson novelization that would have fit perfectly. I've also restored what appears to be the intended transition from the previous scene with 7M1 Seven One to the opening of 7M2 Rey Meets Luke.

 

Now, as we've seen from the other sequel trilogy OSTs, there's no guarantee that what's in the album track is even itself in the order it was composed or without microedits, but I believe this is a fairly plausible look at what might have been. I only added the exchange about healing Kylo and replaced the flashback. See what you think!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kxZhkbzwRNRAmktnIKL3Yb1bHkWCMnrH/view?usp=sharing

[MrJosh 892]

Beautifully done! Going to watch it 3 more times now. 

[crumbs 14,300]

Have a feeling I previously did a score restore for just this cue's ending, but seeing as almost the entire cue was replaced by tracked music from TFA, this gorgeous track seemed a worthy contender for a score restore.

 

Patchy guesswork was required in places, but hopefully this gives some idea of Williams' original intentions for the sequence.

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

Have a feeling I previously did a score restore for just this cue's ending, but seeing as almost the entire cue was replaced by tracked music from TFA, this gorgeous track seemed a worthy contender for a score restore.

 

Patchy guesswork was required in places, but hopefully this gives some idea of Williams' original intentions for the sequence.

Nicely done as usual, @crumbs! Why can’t we have nice things? 😒

[BrotherSound 2,242]

I’ve attempted to recreate the edit JW scored of the penultimate sequence of The Force Awakens, 8M72 Finding the Map and 8M73 The Complete Map:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FUoI-0d63VheebkFyPefQW9l7-OyS_5a/view?usp=sharing

 

Notes:

 

This initial meeting of Rey and Poe made it into the novelization. Abrams and Johnson may not have agreed on much, but they did both share the vision of an oddly boring, awkward initial meeting for these two. 🤷‍♂️

 

It was also apparently followed by a shot of R2 boarding the Falcon, but I couldn’t find a decent substitute for that. Rey saying goodbye to Finn was much shorter in the cut JW scored, just 19 seconds.
 

There’s additional dialog in the novelization when Rey says goodbye to Leia. There doesn’t seem to be sufficient time for all of it, but I’d bet at least some of it was originally used, so I’ve made a guess at what might have appeared.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

Back with a new (and highly speculative) score restoration video for The Rise of Skywalker. 'Anthem of Evil' is a bit of a mystery: while one section near the end appears to be 6M12 Six Twelve, a cue for the destruction of Kijimi, it's still completely unknown what the first part is. But here's my take:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J6N8q2VvRP57ETvuz9N8hXAlUMtIBgYe/view?usp=sharing

 

We can definitively say the first part of 'Anthem of Evil' is not 8M4 Psalm of the Sith, because there's sheet music for that cue fairly visible in one of the documentaries, and it actually matches music used in the middle of 'Join Me' instead.

 

@Falstaft recently expanded our list of known cues with several more, most or all of which appear to be choral or choral additions to other cues (e.g. 8M4C), and on this list is 8M1 Approaching the Throne #2, a cue which is not used in the final cut of the film. So, my speculation is that perhaps the first part of 'Anthem of Evil' is 8M1, for Rey walking into the Exegol temple and first encountering the Emperor, presumably a version without all the noisy thunder and lightning effects and running slightly longer.

[ragoz350 450]

Returning to the prequels for a while...

some small detail...

I listened to "Are You a Jedi" from TPM a lot, and I didn't think that there might be any editing here, although this cue is a little slowed down in the film.
When I was looking at the score, I noticed one bar, which is absent on the recording (users on this board have probably known about this for a long time), where the general elegiac mood for a short moment gives way to a more playful one.

 

 

Honestly, it's difficult to understand whether this place was missed during the recording process, or cut out later. Anyway, I think it syncs with Anakin's objection to Shmi, ("Watto doesn't know I've built it...").

 

In the video, I had to cut out a pause in the dialogue, it seems that it matches better (marked it with b/w transition), although it is certainly not easy to find synchronization points here (for example, the cor anglais melody might have been intended for a longer shot with Shmi, who knows...)

 

 

If this really was editing, then this is perhaps the most "wise" editing in the entire film, the cue feeling some different way...