SilverTrumpet 638 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Why did I think we were talking about recordings? They might need to put me in a home. There were a bunch of alternate cue recordings out there though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 I'm referring to the leaked sheet music also. I wonder if Omni Music publishing will ever get around to releasing the Star Wars complete conductors scores. Or would that be a legal nightmare? How the same old atonal crap that no one wants to hear continually gets published whilst film music is ignored is beyond me. I recently went on this website... https://www.newworldrecords.org/ It's like a dinosaurs graveyard of Pulitzer prize winning music that hasn't been heard or performed for decades. And it never will be. Music written by composers for other composers. I would've thought miniature scores of complete film music soundtracks would sell like hot cakes. I've never understood why there is such a gigantic gap in the music publishing market. They could make a packet. This article is well worth a read. Mauceri states what I've been saying for years. From about 1950 onwards film music took over real contemporary music. https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2022/04/21/john-mauceri-war-on-music-book-classical-composition-new-film-score/stories/202204190116 oierem and ZenLogic101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Jay said: Every cue says "orch Herb Spencer" at the top, except 3M2 New - none listed The score of that cue doesn't appear to be from the original 1977 sessions. It's missing some music from both the beginning and ending, and though uncredited, it's in John Neufield's writing. I don't believe he worked with JW prior to the late 1980s. 4 hours ago, stravinsky said: I know that Al Woodbury assisted Herbert Spencer with orchestration on Star Wars in 1977. Were Arthur Morton and Angela Morley also involved? Also did Williams orchestrate anything himself? I'd be interested to know. From Chris Malone's Recording the Star Wars Saga: Quote Due to the huge scope of the score, some 88 minutes, Arthur Morton, Angela Morley, Al Woodbury, Alexander Courage and Williams himself assisted in this time-consuming and exacting task. So, JW apparently orchestrated something. A lot of his source cues use small enough instrumentation that his "sketch" is already effectively the finished score, so I think it's likely this is at least crediting him for the two Cantina Band numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: Why did I think we were talking about recordings? I really have no idea. Hearing a recording wouldn't tell you who orchestrated it. 23 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: There were a bunch of alternate cue recordings out there though, right? The 1997 2-CD set already has everything recorded for Star Wars on it. Well, except for the original opening of the end credits. Maybe you're thinking of mockups people have made from looking at the sheet music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, stravinsky said: I wonder if Omni Music publishing will ever get around to releasing the Star Wars complete conductors scores. Or would that be a legal nightmare? I think it's a good sign they've recently announced their first Disney title, Alan Menken's Tangled: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: The score of that cue doesn't appear to be from the original 1977 sessions. It's missing some music from both the beginning and ending, and though uncredited, it's in John Neufield's writing. I don't believe he worked with JW prior to the late 1980s. Yea it's definitely a very, very different looking sheet from all the others! I wonder what reason Neufield would have for writing this cue out years later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jay said: I wonder what reason Neufield would have for writing this cue out years later? My guess would be that is was for prepared for a Pops concert. JW has performed other non-standard Star Wars selections like this that aren't from the published suites with the Boston Pops on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Oh wow, it'd be cool to hear Binary Sunset live! Well, I did at the Live to Projection concert, I suppose! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay said: I really have no idea. Hearing a recording wouldn't tell you who orchestrated it. The 1997 2-CD set already has everything recorded for Star Wars on it. Well, except for the original opening of the end credits. Maybe you're thinking of mockups people have made from looking at the sheet music? Well, I meant The Force Awakens specifically, but I do know what you're talking about on the 1997 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 4 hours ago, SilverTrumpet said: How did they leak? Was it in a game or something? Did someone actually leak the recordings from within Lucasfilm? What's the origin of those recordings that we have them? As for recordings, those all come from video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 hour ago, SilverTrumpet said: Well, I meant The Force Awakens The entire conversation we've been having today has been specifically about the 1977 film's score and who orchestrated it Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 ....time to put me into a home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Only partially unused - Sail Barge Assault is one of my favourite cues, an optimistic SW-ey explosion of joy after all the low Jabba stuff, but I was always annoyed by how cut up it is so I had a go: Some parts were obvious, I knew I had to drop a lot and switch some batches around, but I was surprised how much Jabba I had to drop - and some of it was not very obvious, keeping it a coherent action scene with a definite point A, point B and twice as much footage as music between them that couldn't really go anywhere else could be difficult. oierem and ragoz350 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 I tried this scene a while back, I was gonna compare the novelization and comic adaptstion to see if there was any insight into the earlier cut. Wish we had the shooting script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stravinsky 206 Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 In a strange way the staggered release of music from the Star Wars Universe has accompanied me all my life. At 11 years old I begged my old dear to buy me the Cassette tapes of Star Wars and Empire for Christmas 1980 and she looked at me as if I was crazy. "What are you listening to that for?" said my equally horrified Granny on Xmas day. A year later I saved up and bought "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker" audio tape on RSO from "Casa Cassettes" record store on Sauchiehall Street here in Glasgow Scotland. Even though it played like a video of snippets of the movie but with no visuals I played that tape to death. Used to listening to the shockingly truncated original album for Empire for years I was astonished to find the Double LP (which I never knew existed) in a second hand shop when I was 19. I devoured the unfamiliar new cues. A few years later in 93 when I was a 2nd year student at the Royal College of Music in London I was stunned when by chance I saw the Arista box on display at Tower Records in Piccadilly Circus. Remember this was before the Internet which now allows one to source virtually anything. I splurged and bought the thing straight away out of funds from my student grant. The circle was complete by the time the complete OT scores were released in 97. I was over the moon. Then of course singing the prequel music kept me in thrall through to my 35th year with the release of ROTS . Now in addition I have the sequel scores to memorise and learn. Whilst Opera was clearly the cultural apex of the 19th Century with Wagner at the helm, movies have been the standard benchmark in terms of entertainment for the past 100 years and I believe Williams continuing output for Star Wars is the virtual "Ring Cycle" of our times. aj_vader, crumbs, Brando and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted May 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2022 The Force Awakens. This time the deleted scene. Among the many deleted scenes in the film is one for which JW wrote a total of three versions. It is the first appearance of Leia, who is informed in a scene that Jakku's village has been destroyed. The second half of the scene is a comic scene with C3PO trying to talk to a "sleeping" R2. The first half of the scene was officially released (for some reason as two separate scenes). And the second one we can apparently only judge from Foster's novelization. Of course, the C3PO lines can't be that extended in the real script, but the sync hint "Genius" at the end of 3M29 cue matches the last line of the droid ("R2, you're a genius!"). View Spoiler for novelization fragment: Spoiler 1. 3M29 Leia, C3PO and R2 (written no later than March 3, 2015) The scene was originally located right before Snoke's first appearance. The cue doesn't begin with the beginning of the scene, but with the officer's address to Leia. Cue underscores the scene in its fullest version. I also tried very conventionally to "reconstruct" the scene with C3PO . 2. 3M29R Leia, C3PO and R2 (no later than June 12) The "revised" version is shorter than the original. The first half of the scene has been truncated (Leia's order to C3PO has been cut out), and the last dialogue has been shortened. But Leia's theme sounds in the fuller version. Interestingly, this part of the cue appears in the film during one of Han and Leia's dialogues. The second half of the cue is almost unchanged, except for the addition of a bass clarinet at 0:58-1:07, and changes to the last bars for a smoother transition to the next cue (apparently, the last "silent" shot was cut). 3. 1M4A Introductions (no later than July 28) The scene has been moved to a very different place, right after the First Order departs from the Jakku planet at the beginning of the movie. Nevertheless, this served as an excuse for JW to revisit the cue again. The Resistance theme (both A and B!) is now prominent in the first half of the scene, while Leia's theme gets a new "polyrhythmic" rendition. The second half of the cue is based on the old, but heavily "revised" material. A faster tempo prompted JW to "embellish" bassoon solo with many other instruments. Bonus: there is a fragment in the 1M4A cue sketch that Williams crossed out before the cue was even submitted (which is very rare). It's a fragment from the second half of the cue, but it's different in texture from the rest of the cue. I made a separate mockup of it for fun. ragoz350 · 1M4A - Old fragment Manakin Skywalker, CGCJ, BrotherSound and 11 others 6 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Thanks for that stellar work, really appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Damn, I love the third version! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Great work on these @ragoz350, thanks for sharing! The third version is awesome! Considering the start and end were both used in the film, is it a reasonable assumption the entire cue was recorded at some point? The segment from 0:18 onwards sounds similar to the music used in the council meeting late in the film, when they're studying the hologram of Starkiller Base (and reused in TROS for another similar scene before the third act starts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 26/04/2022 at 10:47 PM, SilverTrumpet said: They might need to put me in a home. Well, you're here. SilverTrumpet and ragoz350 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted May 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, crumbs said: The third version is awesome! Considering the start and end were both used in the film, is it a reasonable assumption the entire cue was recorded at some point? The start and end are borrowed note-for-note from 1M4R The Arrival of Kylo Ren for the purposes of overlap, though. However, a fragment of 1M4A Introductions was used in a bonus feature, so this is one of the unused cues we can confirm was recorded. Falstaft, Holko, Brando and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Woohoo, great news! Shame they didn't keep using abandoned recordings in the bonus features for TLJ and TROS. 14 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: The start and end are borrowed more-for-note from 1M4R The Arrival of Kylo Ren for the purposes of overlap, though. Ahh yes. And I just checked the spectogram of OST track 1 and there's no obvious edit there, so the final cut and OST must be true to the recording. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted May 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Holko said: Damn, I love the third version! Yea, such a bright cue! The second half of these cues sounds to me like the combo of "The Norwegian Ridgeback" from Philosopher's Stone and some intonations a la Droid Motif from Empire Strikes Back. 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Considering the start and end were both used in the film, is it a reasonable assumption the entire cue was recorded at some point? Basically, from what I know: 3M29R: The first half is present in the movie during the last dialogue between Han and Leia (AFAIR), so the cue was definitely recorded. 1M4A: the beginning (up to the start of Leia's theme) is in the bonus features, someone (@Manakin Skywalker?) was able to extract the music from there with good quality, and I used this fragment. For me, in fact, it's surprising that the bassoon solo didn't appear in the bonuses, very good material for underscoring. enderdrag64, BrotherSound and crumbs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, ragoz350 said: 3M29R: The first half is present in the movie during the last dialogue between Han and Leia (AFAIR), so the cue was definitely recorded. That’s right. As written, the beginning of their conversation would have been underscored by a version of the Han Solo and the Princess theme, but Leia’s theme from 3M29R is used in its place. The playful droid moment just beforehand is from 6M52 R2 in Hibernation, which uses the same droid motif as 3M29, 3M29R, and 1M4A, which could have made it a recurring motif, had another instance been used. 🤷♂️ Here’s the context from the GEMA cue list, ordered by the first appearance of each cue: Han and Leia Reunion Finn and Poe, United R2 in Hybernation Leia, C-3P0, and R2 Parental Discussion Bring Her to Me crumbs and ragoz350 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 I figured out what the problem is with the links in the main post, I should be able to fix them soon. jrauman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrauman 14 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 On 16/05/2022 at 7:47 PM, Counterparts said: I figured out what the problem is with the links in the main post, I should be able to fix them soon. Thank you!! I cannot tell you how much I appreciate being able to listen to these in the context of where they were intended to be placed. I don't mind going through the discussion to find each link but having them all organized at the beginning is so convenient. I wondered if i had lost my access when some of the links didn't work and showed up as private. Doing the Lord's work here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 22, 2022 Author Share Posted May 22, 2022 Prequel links should be fixed now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrauman 14 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Counterparts said: Prequel links should be fixed now? i did some spot checking and every one of them i tried worked. Thank you for taking the time to that. This is a treasure. 9 minutes ago, jrauman said: i did some spot checking and every one of them i tried worked. Thank you for taking the time to that. This is a treasure. oops. spoke too soon. the prequel links seem good, but Star Wars & ESB are mostly broken (if not all). Some (if not all) of the ROTJ links are good. Wish i could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 22, 2022 Author Share Posted May 22, 2022 Right, I fixed all the prequel links, I am going to fix the rest soon, just needed a rest after all the copy pasting lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 On 26/04/2022 at 5:16 PM, Jay said: Yea it's definitely a very, very different looking sheet from all the others! I wonder what reason Neufield would have for writing this cue out years later? Does this mean your spreadsheet is wrong regarding 3m2? It says that 3m2 New is the familiar version from the film and 3m2 Rev is the unused alternate and 3m2 was never recorded. But if 3m2 New was never actually a part of the film score then that no longer makes any sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I don't follow what you're saying 3M2 New is part of the film score, it's simply that the scan of it included in the common sheet leak is a version John Neufield wrote at some later point in time, the actual handwritten version from 1977 hasn't leaked, just like a bunch of other cues haven't had their originally 1977 handwritten versions leak either enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, Jay said: I don't follow what you're saying 3M2 New is part of the film score, it's simply that the scan of it included in the common sheet leak is a version John Neufield wrote at some later point in time, the actual handwritten version from 1977 hasn't leaked, just like a bunch of other cues haven't had their originally 1977 handwritten versions leak either Oh that makes a lot more sense. I misunderstood what @BrotherSound was saying here: On 26/04/2022 at 4:55 PM, BrotherSound said: The score of that cue doesn't appear to be from the original 1977 sessions. It's missing some music from both the beginning and ending, and though uncredited, it's in John Neufield's writing. I don't believe he worked with JW prior to the late 1980s. I wrongly interpreted this to mean that the missing music from the beginning and ending were changes made by John Neufield for a concert performance of some kind, and that to distinguish it from the original cue he retitled it "3m2 New" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I'm guessing it was only written out fresh to create a version easier to read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted June 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2022 The Force Awakens. Cue 4M38A Rey's Dream. Time of weird mockups. This cue is for the scene when Rey finds a chest in the castle dungeon, after opening it various visions come to her. This scene seems to have had a difficult history. The version that JW underscored is *very* different from the final one (the original cue was written no later than March 19). This version is described (redundantly) in both novelizations. Here's a snippet from Foster: Spoiler And here from Kogge: Spoiler She went over to the box and opened it. She heard breathing—more like ventilated rasping and spun. The door she had entered had been replaced by a dark hallway. At the end, two silhouettes — one in a helmet and cloak, the other a young man seemingly not much older than her—dueled each other with laser blades. One red, the other blue. Lightsabers. “Rey.” She searched to see who had spoken her name. “Hello?” No one responded. Not even BB-8. Where had he gone? At the end of the hallway, a strange boy stared at her. She hadn't taken more than a few steps toward him before everything around her whirled. Dizzy, she tumbled, sideways, into a wall that for some reason suddenly became a grassy field. Into the grass stabbed a blade of crimson light. Then the skies clouded and darkened. Rain poured. The lightsaber was wrenched from the ground. It arced, like lightning in the storm. The recipient of its swing was a man. She couldn't see his face. But she could hear his scream. Drenched, she got up. Seven warriors, swathed in dark cloaks, advanced on her. Rey tried to run. Tripping again, she glimpsed fire in the night. A temple in flames. When she turned, the warriors were gone. In their place stood another cloaked figure and an R2 astromech unit. The figure touched a metal hand to the droid’s silver dome. Like the seven warriors, this scene also vanished. In the blink Of an eye, she was kneeling in a forest. Snow blanketed the ground and the limbs of trees. She’d never seen real snow before. Only sand. She stood, shivering. Deep in the forest she heard the sounds of war. The ping of blasters. The sizzle of lightsabers. Death. Someone spoke behind her. Calm, kind, and eerily familiar. “Stay here. I’ll come back for you.” She peered into the darkness between the trees. “Where are you?” “I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise.” Rey did not want the owner of the voice to come back. She wanted the speaker to stay. “I’m here! Right here! Where are you?” As in her dreams, she heard no reply. She continued to dash through the forest, not giving up in her search. A man in a metal mask, cloaked in black, strode out in front of her, the hilt of a lightsaber in his hand. The cold stare of his mask stopped her dead in her tracks. Not one to scream, that’s exactly what Rey did as she fell. Snow didn’t cushion her fall. The ground she hit was made of stone. Aching, she sat up. She was once again in the subterranean hallway of the castle. Over time this scene began to be edited. By mid-June the scene had been shortened, but the original cue had not yet been recorded. At first the composer simply crossed out the redundant measures, but then made a "revised" abridged version of the cue with slight changes no later than June 18. The new length of the cue became 1:37 (vs 2:25 in the original). And this version was recorded. But then the scene was heavily reworked: not only was it shortened even more, but it appears to have been partially reshoot. The Cloud City part was totally cut, the mention of the temple (Luke and R2 sitting next to it) was also removed, etc... I restored the original version and mostly left the black screens in the video. I've also included here the restored end of the previous cue (4M38R Into the Cellar), and marked the measures that are missing from the revised version (as "Omitted msrs."), and therefore were not recorded. I also made a mockup of a small fragment from the revised cue (when old Luke appears), which is slightly different from the original. ragoz350 · Fragment from 4M38AR Raiders of the SoundtrArk, ZenLogic101, michael_grig and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 The Force Awakens. 6m56,6m56R,6m56R Ext - "Preparing for the Mission" [6m56B],6m56BRv1 (+New Ending) - "Kylo's Rage" 6m56C - "To Lightspeed" Among the TFA cues there are several that have the same number 6M56. These cues were written for the film sequence, beginning with the Resistance team's preparation for departure, and ending when Han, Finn and Chewy infiltrate the base. Apparently the filmmakers weren't sure of the order of these scenes (and they did move them around all the time), so these slots were not numbered. Here I have made "partial" mockups of only the first three cues. They (6m56, 6m56B, and 6m56C) were written for an early editing in spring 2015. JW also wrote 6m56D Ice Landing and 6m56E Ren In Cockpit in early August (after the first cues were recorded), and William Ross wrote 6m56F Hey! in October. 1.1. 6m56 Preparing for the Mission (written no later than March 19) The cue is for the scene of the Resistance team preparing for takeoff and the last dialogue between Han and Leia. The dialogue was originally longer: a couple of lines were cut from final movie, remaining in the novelizations (and the sync hint confirms it): Spoiler But more importantly, there was a deleted further scene where Leia gives Finn the lightsaber (according to the leaked shot list), Han and Co go aboard, and the Falcon takes off. --- Interestingly, this is the first written cue featuring the March of the Resistance. The video starts in the middle of the previous cue (6m55R, I just like that buildup). 6m56 starts at 0:37. There is also one cut bar at 0:36, but I was lazy to reconstruct it. 1.2. 6m56R Preparing for the Mission (no later than June 11) There are changes in the second half of the cue. The beginning of the dialogue now has Leia's theme added to Han and Leia's theme. Only the shot of Falcon taking off is left from the last part of the scene: JW wrote an "optional" ending to it, alternatively suggesting to just hold the last chord until then. 2.1. 6m56B [Kylo's Rage!] (probably March/April) 6m56R Ext (no later than June 19; recorded)6m56B was originally a short cue, played when Kylo discovers that Rey has escaped. That said, the scene of Rey's escape itself was apparently without music. However, the scene was later split: the Rey's escape was placed before the Resistance scene, but Kylo comes to the empty chair after that scene. So JW decided to "join" 6m56B cue to 6m56R (since they weren't recorded yet), while removing the first 4 bars of the original cue. And this is how the cue was recorded (and leaked). JW also added a low string crescendo at the end of the cue. 2.2. 6m56BRv1 Kylo's Rage! (no later than October 10) 6m56BRv1 New Ending (no later than October 12) The story of this cue was continued when filmmakers decided to place the scene with Kylo before the Resistance scene as well, and added (or asked to write music for it) a short scene with the "charging" of the weapon on the planet. So William Ross wrote an addition to the old cue (and made slight changes to the old material), and seems to have made more than one version of it, but only the first is available. Later, JW himself decided to rewrite the last bars of the cue, writing a "new ending", which was recorded. This video includes both endings. Later, 1m2A was written based on this cue, which is heard at the beginning of the film. 3. 6m56C To Lightspeed (probably March/April; fixed on June 15) The numbering isn't chronological here, as 6m56D Ice Landing must play earlier. Perhaps the Falcon landing scene wasn't ready yet, so JW skipped it. The main part of this cue is for the deleted scene where the X-wings are commanded to activate lightspeed. The scene was officially released, but JW worked with another edit where there was no footage of the X-wings taking off, but there was dialogue with Leia, who was told that the Falcon had landed (according to the novelization and the hint in the sketch). Nevertheless, the first bars of the cue are used in the film instead of the opening of 6m58 The Bombing Run. Also the first half is heard in the released deleted scene, but it isn't synced properly. The cue only lasts 52 seconds, but there's a lot going on in it! Bonus: in "unfixed" version of this cue the underscoring of the planet's wide shot was a little different: instead of quiet flute chords, flute trills were used, accompanied by "something like a high wind machine". Also further string pizzicatos are missing. ragoz350 · 6M56C - Old fragment Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Holko, Manakin Skywalker and 12 others 5 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 9 hours ago, ragoz350 said: The Force Awakens. 6m56,6m56R,6m56R Ext - "Preparing for the Mission" [6m56B],6m56BRv1 (+New Ending) - "Kylo's Rage" 6m56C - "To Lightspeed" Thanks so much for this! I appreciate all the effort you’re spending sorting out the very complicated evolution of this film and score. 9 hours ago, ragoz350 said: 1.1. 6m56 Preparing for the Mission (written no later than March 19) Shame this was very likely not recorded: I love that very prequel-y fanfare at the end! 9 hours ago, ragoz350 said: 3. 6m56C To Lightspeed (probably March/April; fixed on June 15) The numbering isn't chronological here, as 6m56D Ice Landing must play earlier. Worth pointing out this cue introduces the mixed-meter motif that would later be used for Ice Landing. ragoz350 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Worth pointing out this cue introduces the mixed-meter motif that would later be used for Ice Landing. Yes, and a similar fanfare is also heard in 6m58 The Bombing Run, also accompanying the X-wings. I wonder which of these cues was written earlier: 6m56C or the 6m58. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Keep up the great work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post enderdrag64 624 Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 Not sure if people have seen this before but I figured I'd share it here since it reveals a couple new sync points This instagram post from jkms shows the first pages of some of Williams' sketches for AOTC, which to my knowledge haven't leaked and otherwise aren't available online: https://www.instagram.com/p/CY7i53zPRU9/ specifically it shows 1m4 The Meeting of Anakin and Padme 1m7a Zam Chase Pt. 1 2m3 Departure 2m7 Approaching Naboo Palace 5m6 The Conveyor Belt 6m1 Love Pledge Manakin Skywalker, ragoz350, crumbs and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I just checked the leaked score and they are all in there! Do you have access to the sheet music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, Michael G. said: I just checked the leaked score and they are all in there! Do you have access to the sheet music? I'm referring to Williams' sketches, not the leaked conductor score. The jkms instagram shows both, to my knowledge only the conductor score has been leaked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 I'm curious why they were going through all of these. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, enderdrag64 said: I'm referring to Williams' sketches, not the leaked conductor score. The jkms instagram shows both, to my knowledge only the conductor score has been leaked Ah I See! sorry for confusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 15 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I'm curious why they were going through all of these. 🤔 JKMS regularly dig through their archives and post obscure images of old sheet music. I wouldn't read into it too much... Somehow I don't see prequel LTPs on Disney's horizon, especially when they didn't even finish the sequel trilogy (though maybe JW pulled the pin after JJ's hatchet job on the final score). Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 22 hours ago, ragoz350 said: I wonder which of these cues was written earlier: 6m56C or the 6m58. No way to know for certain, but probably 6M58 because it dates to 5/1/15. Most fixed cues are done shortly after the original, so the original 6M56C is likely from late May or early June. ragoz350 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Madmartigan JC 85 Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 I love the work you've done, ragoz350! Painstaiking fan work like yours never ceases to amaze me. It gives us such insight into the evolution of these works as we will never be able to grasp from any official source. One more fact that I'm often surprised by is the existance of these leaked JW manuscripts. I have looked for those online without any luck. I am aware that it's copyrighted material, and therefore its improper to ask for them in these forums... However, any clue as to how one may make oneself acquainted with such treasures will be greatly appreciated. BrotherSound, ZenLogic101 and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted August 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2022 The Force Awakens. 5m46 [Kylo Stalks Rey] 5m45R [Back to Battle] 5m45R Alt This cue is for one of the battle scenes on the forest planet, when Han and Chewie fight off the stormtroopers and Finn gets and uses the lightsaber. 0. 5m46 [Kylo Stalks Rey] (probably June, fixed on July 3) In fact, the history of these cues is somewhat confusing. This scene was originally divided into two parts (separated when the lightsaber is activated), and in between was another scene where Kylo discovers Rey in the forest, with their dialogue apparently cut out. JW wrote 5m46 cue for the Rey/Kylo scene and the second part of the battle scene. Of the cue, only its opening and ending are available (the material of which has been kept in later versions). In this video, I've tried to restore the beginning of the old cue (with a presumably abridged montage of the battle scene). The middle of the cue is unknown, and the ending (when Finn fights the stormtrooper) is the same as the one in 5m45R. 1. 5m45R [Back to Battle] (no later than August 3; recorded) The scene has been re-edited, and William Ross had to redo this cue. In addition to using material from the old version, Ross added new stuff, most likely based on JW's ideas. The result is a fun cue with a mix of very different action material. Since in the final edit the scene is completely without music, I mixed my mockup with SFX. There are also differences from the final edit: I had to reduce Han's shots at the beginning of the scene, as well as inserting a black screen during the final duel (not sure if it's in the right place). 2. 5m45R Alt (no later than August 3) JW later wrote an alternate ending to accompany the duel. A completely different approach, which then returned in Chrome Dome from The Last Jedi. Here are my mockups in isolated form (for better quality you can download them): ragoz350 · TFA 5M45R Manakin Skywalker, enderdrag64, Brando and 12 others 6 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 hours ago, ragoz350 said: In fact, the history of these cues is somewhat confusing. Oh really? I didn't expect that at all! Fantastic work as always! michael_grig and ragoz350 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Great work @ragoz350, thank you for this! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Fantastic work, @ragoz350! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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