RESTORED ISOLATED SCORE: Star Wars Saga (Unused Music Restored To Picture)

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Nice videos there @BrotherSound!

 

I'm more convinced by the second video than the first, if only because I can't envisage how that scene originally opened the film, complete with its threatening musical tone.

 

But then again, the way the sequence is shot (an ominous setting with all the smoke and debris flying around) doesn't match the whimsical/hopeful tone of the music used in the final cut either... what a shambles.

[ragoz350 358]

On 17/11/2021 at 3:12 AM, crumbs said:

I'm more convinced by the second video than the first, if only because I can't envisage how that scene originally opened the film, complete with its threatening musical tone.

Perhaps these timpani hits later evolved into what we know as the beginning of 1m15 Vader's Castle cue (which was also supposed to sound after the Main Credits). Apparently, in both versions of the beginning Abrams wanted the same ominous-mystical mood.
Although the second half, IMO, was meant for other (unknown) shots or taken from a different cue altogether...

 

UPD: haha, I didn't know, that timpani fragment (from OST Journey To Exegol) was from "Ready To Be a Jedi".

[BrotherSound 1831]

Got another speculative score restore video. Surprisingly, some of the music for Kylo on Mustafar appears (based on work codes from GEMA) to be titled ‘Ready To Be A Jedi’. This is the section from about 0:51–1:42 in the ‘Journey to Exegol’ track.

 

Based on that title, and what sounds to me like an appearance of the Knights of Ren motif, I’m wondering if this could be an early version of the Kylo/Knights of Ren fight from much later in the film.

 

All the known cues to feature the redeemed Ben variant of the theme appear to be revisions, so maybe Williams was originally planning to use the Kylo theme for Ben unchanged?

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SfqdFFWkxRdQ1xCTxfRbeSMDpFgwaCGA/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[Jay 30918]

Oh man, I dunno about that.  I think JW put that music in that early OST track because he wrote it for (a different cut of) the opening of the film.

It is surprising that he didn't think to make a redeemed Ben theme to use for that and other scenes until later, as it's amazing and fits those scenes like a glove in teh final film, but I dunno if he would have just used Ren's old theme as-is for this scene in your video

[BrotherSound 1831]

12 minutes ago, Jay said:

Oh man, I dunno about that.  I think JW put that music in that early OST track because he wrote it for (a different cut of) the opening of the film.

Could be, but how would you explain the ‘Ready To Be A Jedi’ title? Doesn’t seem to fit that scene at all. Every once in a while he’ll have a title that doesn’t make much obvious sense (‘Rescuing Luke’ from TLJ, for example), but usually not.

 

Also worth noting that this scene was apparently quite different at one point, without the lightsaber handoff and Kylo fighting the Knights off using only the Force.

[Jay 30918]

Huh.  Interesting.  I dunno, I always thought that music was written for deleted shots of Kylo and the Knights fighting together on the opening planet, before JJ cut almost all of it and just left in a lame slo-mo version

[BrotherSound 1831]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

I dunno, I always thought that music was written for deleted shots of Kylo and the Knights fighting together on the opening planet, before JJ cut almost all of it and just left in a lame slo-mo version

For what it’s worth, there’s already some slow-mo present for the shot from the Mustafar scene used in the teaser, from April 2019:

 

Also, it’s impossible to unsee this once you know it’s there, but I guess they decided Rey fighting the guards was over too quickly, because they actually repeated the action of her taking out the same four (I think) guards twice, just using the same shots from different angles!

 

 

 

[Ian Stouffer 10]

The Despecialized Edition Blu-Rays contain an Isolated Score option, as do the 4K77 and 4K83 Blu-Rays.

[Positivatee 323]

B--b--b--blu-rays? I thought they were just mkv downloads? 

[Manakin Skywalker 3576]

27 minutes ago, Ian Stouffer said:

The Despecialized Edition Blu-Rays contain an Isolated Score option, as do the 4K77 and 4K83 Blu-Rays.

 

Those are fan edits, with the isolated scores done by people on here (plus they are not 100% accurate). Also, you should never buy fan edits on Blu-ray. Not only is it illegal, but it gives money to crooks and delegitimizes the work of the fans who make these edits. These edits are available for free, and can be found just about anywhere online. I've made a couple edits on the SWT Forums myself, and would be pretty pissed if I found someone trying to sell them or pass them off as legitimate releases.

[Jay 30918]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

For what it’s worth, there’s already some slow-mo present for the shot from the Mustafar scene used in the teaser, from April 2019:

 

Haha, seeing that made me wonder if the trailer guys did it on their own, then JJ was all "ooh, I like that", and put it in the movie too

 

Seriously though, I thought we knew there was deleted fighting scenes shot? Wasn't there something about Hux being there observing? 

 

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

Also, it’s impossible to unsee this once you know it’s there, but I guess they decided Rey fighting the guards was over too quickly, because they actually repeated the action of her taking out the same four (I think) guards twice, just using the same shots from different angles!

 

Huh. Would you look at that! 

 

Seeing that again made me fall in love with JW's score there all over again. How could he not consider that good enough for the OST OR FYC!? 

[Holko 8006]

6 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

Could be, but how would you explain the ‘Ready To Be A Jedi’ title? Doesn’t seem to fit that scene at all.

Could be that the part the cue scored started or ended with Rey?

[BrotherSound 1831]

7 hours ago, Holko said:

Could be that the part the cue scored started or ended with Rey?

Oh, it’s certainly possible!
 

What we don’t know about this score could fill a book, and hopefully it will one day. We could definitely use a Star Wars equivalent to the Douglas Adams book for the Lord of the Rings scores, or Jeff Bond’s for Star Trek.

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10 hours ago, Jay said:

Seriously though, I thought we knew there was deleted fighting scenes shot? Wasn't there something about Hux being there observing? 

 

Yep.

 

And the Knights were there too, at least in concept art:

 

Hux has a cool line in the visual dictionary: “He’s gone mad. Flames of the rebellion burn across the galaxy and Ren chases a ghost.”

 

Totally superfluous line, of course. We don't need to understand what our characters are doing, or why. Context is so overrated these days.

[A Farewell to Kings 3529]

We don't actually.

[BrotherSound 1831]

Restored a bit of 7M2 Rey Meets Luke, with a much more subdued rendition of the Force theme than the insert that replaced this section, 6M20 Sabre Toss. This portion is tracked into the tunnel scene with the giant snake.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ijoITO1yTd0x3c4PhNEVsW3Bg-DBRCds/view?usp=drivesdk

[A Farewell to Kings 3529]

On 14/11/2021 at 3:06 PM, Giftheck said:

 

Just to let you know, the videos in the main post all appear to be privated.

Strange, they appear to all be set for viewing with a link on my end.

[ragoz350 358]

We continue to muse on the little sheet leak on TROS...

 

This time 1M6 Ren's Entrance cue. We know that it is intended for the scene on Mustafar, which is where the final film begins. The Oracle, who was later cut from the film, was also present in this scene. This cue has a later version (1M15 Vader's Castle), which is shorter in length and partially used in the film.
This scene was not originally in the beginning of the movie - before it there was Rey's training (cues 1M3-5). 

I didn't think to do a video for this cue at first (since only the very last shots in the final film is intact), but since I started posting all the mockups in this thread, I decided not to make a confusion.

 

The beginning of the cue was obviously temp-tracked by Padme's Ruminations from Ep. III that JW almost repeated (by removing the synth and adding string clusters). I "restored" this part very conventionally  Honestly, I have no idea what was supposed to happen here - the slo-mo footage was already in the teaser, but there may have been more.
The string fragment sounding during the perhaps gradual appearance of the Oracle was moved into 7M20 Approaching the Throne cue by the composer. 
It's also interesting to note the rendition of the Imperial March, which seems to be heard here during the dialogue - in the newer version of the cue, the March sounds very loud and longer, apparently during the added (and then deleted) shot of Vader's castle. 
After that, Oracle disappears, and Kylo takes the Wayfinder. Interestingly, unlike the new version, there is no Kylo theme or Wayfinder motif here. 
And an abnormally long chord (if the timecode is to be believed) is followed by a transition to 1M7 cue - possibly Journey to Exegol.

 

 

@BrotherSound

[Jay 30918]

Woah, very cool!  And nice job with the mockup!

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On 02/01/2022 at 1:43 AM, ragoz350 said:

After that, Oracle disappears, and Kylo takes the Wayfinder. Interestingly, unlike the new version, there is no Kylo theme or Wayfinder motif here. 
And an abnormally long chord (if the timecode is to be believed) is followed by a transition to 1M7 cue - possibly Journey to Exegol.

 

This is very cool! Nice work!

 

Love how that long chord at the end syncs with the distant ship entering the red nebula (or whatever it is). Would the opening of OST Journey to Exogol be in the same key as the ending of this cue? ie, would they overlap nicely?

 

And does anyone else feel like JJ had a much better film on his hands whenever JW started scoring it, as opposed to what was ultimately released? It seems JW knew exactly what approach to take and what mood the film required, then Abrams panicked and threw the whole thing in a giant blender.

[BrotherSound 1831]

1 hour ago, crypto said:

Would the opening of OST Journey to Exogol be in the same key as the ending of this cue? ie, would they overlap nicely?

Yep: the last note of 1M6 is a D, the same as the first note of ‘Journey to Exegol’, which strengthens the case for the opening of the track being 1M7.

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6 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

Yep: the last note of 1M6 is a D, the same as the first note of ‘Journey to Exegol’, which strengthens the case for the opening of the track being 1M7.

 

Awesome!

 

I think this score will be revelatory in expanded form someday. Let's hope we're not waiting decades

[Manakin Skywalker 3576]

A couple from Rogue One...

 

Scarif Antenna Alignment #1: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u6A4IW1oPjLNcJAHrGFJSgYxQ4DgazKX

Scarif Antenna Alignment #2: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EbhwHKvVKNmhw0ZwMJBhiV4qhYY5DkDo

[ragoz350 358]

The Force Awakens.

Made little mockups of two old versions of the 1M6 cue. 

The first version (1M6 Seeing A Mother and Getting Rations) was written along with the original 1M5 version (The Scavenger), i.e. at a very early stage of work. 
The first part of the cue was supposed to accompany a longer version of the scene where, apparently, Rey is also looking at a certain mother with a child. The moody low harpsichord in the commissary scene is also quite unusual. The cue concludes with rendition of the *first notes* of theme from 1M5 cue, at a faster tempo. 

 

The second version (1M6Alt Seeing A Mother and Getting Rations) has already been written along with a new version of The Scavenger (1M5Alt2), in which the final Rey theme appears (remarkably, these new versions are called "alternative", JW still wasn't sure about the new theme). The musical approach here is even more minimalist (it's funny that the whole cue is built on varying one motive) and concentrates more on Rey herself (in the commissary scene in particular). At the end of the cue, a "galloping" motif from the previous cue appears, but using a harpsichord synth (which, in fact, was listed in both the cue and the old versions of End Credits).  
Also here I made as bonus old version of the 1M7 Lunchtime with Rey cue (the "Flute Version" of this cue is heard in the film), with piano "solo".

 

The third version of the cue (1M6AltR One Quarter Portion) is used in the movie, and it's shorter in length because it starts at the end of the portion scene. Interestingly, at the end of the "revised" new version of The Scavenger (1M5Alt2R) there is a sync hint "The Commissary Man", so the scene with Rey working was at one point meant to be abandoned completely, but returned in an even shorter form.

 

[ragoz350 358]

In fact, the situation with the use of the harpsichord in these cues is more interesting than at first sight. 

In the 1M5 cue sketch, at one place it says "Suggest Turkish instrument" although the instrument itself is not listed - JKMS guys shrugged it off and just added a separate part in a score with the name "Ethnic".

   

 

 

I'm guessing that Abrams may have wanted some sort of "exotic" sound to represent the character, or just to depict the desert. But Williams, instead of copying conventional temp-tracks, got more creative with the task. 

The third version of The Scavenger (theoretically there should be a second version (just ALT), but in that case it didn't leak, and JW quickly abandoned it most likely) already specifies specifically a Synth Harpsichord that sounds along with the piano and plays what we know as the second Rey theme, and a "gallop" motive. Perhaps Williams thought of this motive as a kind of imitation of the playing on some ethnic plucking instrument. And the harpsichord idea lasted quite a long time, and early versions of End Credits also include the harpsichord. 
As a result, it turns out that Rey's theme has unusual "exotic" or even "Turkish" roots     

 

[BrotherSound 1831]

4 hours ago, ragoz350 said:

The third version of The Scavenger (theoretically there should be a second version (just ALT), but in that case it didn't leak, and JW quickly abandoned it most likely)

 

Even though it didn't leak in its entirety, the second and third version must be quite similar, because multiple pages of 1M5 Alt 2 are taken directly from 1M5 Alt:

 

 

5 hours ago, ragoz350 said:

The first part of the cue was supposed to accompany a longer version of the scene where, apparently, Rey is also looking at a certain mother with a child.

 

Alan Dean Foster's novelization is pretty useful in providing details for this and other scenes, in that it seems to have been based off a similar cut to what JW scored:

 

 

5 hours ago, ragoz350 said:

The Force Awakens.

Made little mockups of two old versions of the 1M6 cue. 

 

Thanks so much for these! Curious to see what you make of the mysterious 1M8 Breakfast when you get there...

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And as always, the great question with TFA: how much of this prototype material was even recorded?

 

Great videos and analysis @ragoz350!

[ragoz350 358]

16 hours ago, crypto said:

how much of this prototype material was even recorded?

 

I'm not sure if these two versions of the 1M6 cue were recorded. The third version (the little horn solo that appears in the film) was written in ~May 2015, and recorded twice: in June and October (combined with the 1M7 Flute Version). It would hardly make sense to record older versions of the cue...

With 1M7 things are a bit trickier: the first version was slightly "fixed" (changing the opening, adding a harp, also adding one missing note in the second phrase of the Rey's theme), and was recorded in that form, probably. Then there was the "Flute Version", which was also recorded and can be heard in the movie (and is in the OST, the end of the track "The Scavenger"). Even later came the 1M8 Breakfast cue, which is essentially a new version of 1M7 cue, but it also seems to accompany the moment when Rey runs into the sound of the droid. It isn't known if it was recorded. 

[BrotherSound 1831]

10 hours ago, ragoz350 said:

Even later came the 1M8 Breakfast cue, which is essentially a new version of 1M7 cue, but it also seems to accompany the moment when Rey runs into the sound of the droid. It isn't known if it was recorded.

Odd that it wasn’t numbered 1M7 R, but yeah, I think that’s what it must be, too. And it definitely would lend a very different atmosphere to the scene, much more energetic, less resigned.

[BrotherSound 1831]

On 14/3/2022 at 9:36 PM, crypto said:

And as always, the great question with TFA: how much of this prototype material was even recorded?

 

Just adding up the cues we definitely know were recorded (because they appear either in the film, on the OST, or are heard in the documentaries), there's about 165 minutes of music. I've marked those cues in green below. The reported total was 174 minutes, so that leaves about 10 minutes for cues that haven't surfaced anywhere, even less if the teaser and trailer cues are included in that total.

 

Definitely recorded

May have been recorded

Probably not recorded

 

Quote

 

1M1

Opening
Main Title Extension

 

1M1A
1M1A v2 (Longer)
1M1A v3
1M1A (Free Version)
Starry Night

 

1M2

1M2 R

1M2 R (New Ending)
'Hand' Opening

 

1M2A

Fix

 

1M2B

[untitled]

 

1M3A
1M3A R 
The First Order Approaches

 

1M3B
1M3B R
The Attack on the Village

 

1M3C
I’ve Seen Too Much

 

1M3D
The Attack on the Village

 

1M4

1M4 R
1M4 R (w/ fixes 5/27)
The Arrival of Kylo Ren

 

1M4A
Introductions

Introduction

 

1M4B
Landing

 

1M4D
Fix on Fix

 

1M5

1M5 (with fixes)

1M5 Alt
1M5 Alt New Intro
1M5 Alt 2 
1M5 Alt 2 Insert
1M5 Alt 2 R

1M5 Alt 2A Insert
The Scavenger

 

1M6
1M6 Alt
Seeing A Mother and Getting Rations

 

1M6 Alt R
One Quarter Portion

 

1M7
1M7 (Flute Version)
Lunchtime with Rey

Lunchtime

 

1M8
Breakfast

 

2M11
Don’t Follow Me

 

2M11 R
2M11 R Alt
BB + Rey

BB & Rey

BB and Rey

 

2M11A

BB & Rey Meet

 

2M12
Poe Under Torture

 

2M12A (Old)
2M12A (Preferred) 
BB & Rey Cont.

 

2M13 

2M13 R
The Droid Is Not For Sale

This Droid Is Not For Sale

 

2M14 R Alt Intro
2M14 R Alt Intro v2 
Finn Helps Poe

 

2M14
2M14 R 
I Can Fly Anything

 

2M15
2M15 R
2M15 R Insert
The First Escape

 

2M16 
I Don't Know What To Do

 

2M17
2M17 R
Kylo Ren

 

2M17A
2M17A R
Finn's Trek

 

2M17B
Kylo And Hox [sic] On The Bridge

 

2M18A
That Lady with the Stick

 

2M18B
Who's Luke Skywalker

 

2M18C
2M18C R
2M18C Insert
2M18C Insert II
Follow Me

 

3M20
3M20 R
The Falcon Still Flies!

 

3M21
3M21 R
What's Your Name

 

3M22
3M22 R
Kylo and His Sword

 

3M23
3M23 R
No, No...No!

 

3M24
3M24 R
Hiding Under the Grate

 

3M26
3M26 R
You're Han Solo?

 

3M27
Rathars Appear

 

3M28
The Rathars Attack

The Rathtar Attack

 

3M28A
3M28A R
Old Falcon to the Rescue

 

3M29
3M29 R
Leia, C3P0 and R2

 

4M30
4M30 R
Snoke

 

4M30 A
Starkiller

 

[4M31]

Reading the Map

 

4M31 R
4M31 RR 
The Map Scene

 

4M31A
Talking With Grandfather

 

4M32
4M32 R
Green Planet

The Green Planet

 

4M33
4M33 R

You Gotta Name?

You Got A Name?

 

4M33 R Insert
Gotta Name?

 

[4M35]

4M35 R
Maz on the Table

 

[4M36]

4M36 R 
I Ran Into You

 

4M37
I’ve Found the Droid

 

4M38
4M38 R
Into the Cellar

 

4M38A
4M38A R
Rey’s Dream

 

[4M39]

4M39 R

4M39 R (w/ fixes 9-29-15)
I Have to Get Back

 

5M40
5M40 (New Ending)
The Beam is Released

 

5M41
Leia’s Condolence Speech

 

[5M43]

5M43 R

5M43 R (Fix)
Find Rey!

 

[5M43A]

5M43A (Fix)
Maz's Treasure Chest

 

5M44
5M44 Alt Intro v1
5M44 Alt Intro v2
Kylo Arrives at the Battle

 

[5M45]

5M45 R v1

[5M45 R v2]
Back to Battle

 

5M45 R Alt

Finn Fight Alt

 

5M46

5M46 Fix 
Finn and Trooper Fight

 

5M46 R
Kylo Stalks Rey

 

5M47 v1
5M47 v2
Good Guys Shooting

 

5M48
We’ve Got What We Need

 

5M49
5M49 R
5M49A Fix 11-5-15
The Abduction of Rey

 

6M50 R
6M50 R v2
Han & Leia Reunion

 

6M51
6M51 R
Finn and Poe, United

 

6M52
R2 in Hibernation

 

[6M53]

6M53 R

6M53 R (w/ fixes 9/6/2015)
Parental Discussion

 

6M53A
We See Rey

 

6M54
6M54 R
Rey vs. Ren

 

[6M54A]
6M54A R

6M54A New
Bring Her to Me

 

6M54B
You Will Remove These Restraints

 

6M55

6M55 R
Council Meeting

 

6M56
6M56 R

6M56 R Ext
Preparing for the Mission

 

[6M56B]

6M56B R v1

6M56B R v1 (new ending)

[6M56B R v2]
Kylo’s Rage!

 

[6M56C]

6M56C Fixed
To Lightspeed

 

6M56D
Ice Landing

 

6M56E

6M56E (with fixes 9/3/15)
Ren In Cockpit

 

6M56F
Hey!

 

6M57
6M57 R
Rey’s Rope Climb

 

6M57 R Alt Ending
Rey On Wall

 

6M58
The Bombing Run

 

7M60

7M60 (w/ fixes 9/3/15)
Hug Later

 

7M61
Guns A’blaze

 

7M62
I Can Get Us In

 

7M62A

7M62A Insert
On the Inside

 

7M62B
Shootout

 

7M65
Father and Son

 

7M65A
Leia’s Grief

Cut to Leia

 

7M65B
Father and Son

 

7M65C
Leia Fix

 

7M66
The Control Room and Ren in the Forest

 

7M67
Rey Vs Ren

 

7M67 R
It Is You

 

7M67A
Rey vs. Ren

 

7M67B

Rey Gets the Saber

 

7M67B F

Rey Catches Sword

 

7M67C
Blowing Up The Oscillator

 

7M68
Flying Home

 

7M68A
Light In The Snow and Flying Home

 

8M72

8M72 (w/ fixes)
Finding the Map

 

8M73
The Complete Map

 

8M74
Climbing the Mountain

 

8M74 Alt

The Mountain 

 

8M74A
8M74A v2
To Ending

 

[8M75, 8M76]
End Credits Part 1
End Credits Part 2
Finale (9-23-15)
Finale (11-11-15)
Finale Tag

 

8M77

March (9/3/15)
The Resistance Theme

 

8M78
Snoke

 

8M79

Rey's Theme
Rey's Theme (6-6-15)
Rey's Theme (Piano Version 9-14-15)
Rey’s Theme (10-7-15 longer version)

 

8M80

Scherzo for X-Wings (9-30-15) [film version]

Scherzo for X-Wings (11-4-15) [album version]

8M80A (First Ending)
8M80A (Second Ending)
More Scherzo

 

8M81
Sunbeam Strings

 

Teaser

 

Trailer #1

 

Hope Trailer

 

 

[ragoz350 358]

The Force Awakens.

 

Couldn't resist the temptation to make mockup of 8M74Alt The Mountain. Basically, it's an alternate version of The Jedi Steps, written at about the same time as the original one. It was also recorded, but not used.

 

[Michael Grigorowitsch 366]

I understand why it was not taken. It somehow doesn't have a clear musical line and doesn't form as intensely and organically. Good mockup

[May the Force be with You 1961]

Thanks for the really good mockup, nice to hear this alternate. I think the final choice is better although this one gives more mystery to the scene

[A Farewell to Kings 3529]

I knew that was what this was when it popped up in the bonus features.

[crumbs 12574]

The version in the bonus features seems to trail off into a lonely clarinet (or flute?) section. Is that another alternate, or perhaps a podium change? 

 

Either way, nice to know this was recorded. 

[BrotherSound 1831]

47 minutes ago, crumbs said:

The version in the bonus features seems to trail off into a lonely clarinet (or flute?) section. Is that another alternate, or perhaps a podium change? 

 

That section is in there: it's a solo oboe, shortly after the 1:00 mark. There isn't any other alternate (that we currently know of, anyway), apart from a couple inserts, 8M74A and 8M74A v2 "To Ending", which are both just slightly shortened versions of this same "Binary Sunset" ending.

[ragoz350 358]

On 04/04/2022 at 12:32 PM, Michael G. said:

I understand why it was not taken. It somehow doesn't have a clear musical line and doesn't form as intensely and organically

On 04/04/2022 at 2:45 PM, May the Force be with You said:

I think the final choice is better although this one gives more mystery to the scene

In general, it's curious that JW was interested in this scene, writing two versions of the cue at once. This is similar to the case in Prisoner of Azkaban, where Remembering Mother (Window to the Past) also had two versions, of which the one with the simpler melody was chosen, which in addition became the leit-theme afterwards.

 

This alternate version of Steps really doesn't have a mystical tone, but rather is more like A New Home from TROS (particularly the piano/celeste opening) - this more "minimalist" approach is not typical of SW and when combined with the track it works worse a little bit than the original version.

 

On 04/04/2022 at 7:00 PM, crumbs said:

The version in the bonus features seems to trail off into a lonely clarinet (or flute?) section. Is that another alternate, or perhaps a podium change? 

In fact, in addition to the oboe solo, the score also lists a quiet flute undertone, which should be recorded separately. This flute is missing from the audio from bonus features, but I added it to mockup.

 

 

Btw the leaked score has several pencil edits, apparently made from the podium, about the instrumentation, which is unusual.

[Manakin Skywalker 3576]

On 04/04/2022 at 4:22 AM, ragoz350 said:

 

 

Out of curiosity, how do you get Google Drive videos to show in a player on here? @Jay maybe you can answer this. All of my Drive links just show as, well, links.

[Holko 8006]

4 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Out of curiosity, how do you get Google Drive videos to show in a player on here? @Jay maybe you can answer this. All of my Drive links just show as, well, links.

You open your video on a separate page, right click, get the embed code, come here, switch to source view in the upper left corner, paste it, correct the dimensions to make it not 4:3. If you do multiple in a post, just copypaste this corrected embed code and switch the links out.

[Jay 30918]

Yup, that

[ragoz350 358]

20 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

Out of curiosity, how do you get Google Drive videos to show in a player on here? @Jay maybe you can answer this. All of my Drive links just show as, well, links.

I also change the width value in the code from 480 to 360.

[stravinsky 192]

I know that Al Woodbury assisted Herbert Spencer with orchestration on Star Wars in 1977. Were Arthur Morton and Angela Morley also involved? Also did Williams orchestrate anything himself? I'd be interested to know. 

[Jay 30918]

Every cue says "orch Herb Spencer" at the top, except

 

3M2 New - none listed

4M2 Obi-Wan Kenobi - Arthur Morton

5M1 A Hive of Villainy - Al Woodbury

6M5 (New) The Destruction of Alderon - Al Woodbury

7M1 New Is It A Bird? - Arthur Morton

7M2 The Mouse Robot - Arthur Morton

8M2 (New) More Rescue - Al Woodbury

11M2 Approaching The Target - Arthur Morton

 

I do not see Alexander Courage and Angela Morley's name anywhere, but it's worth noting that the original handwritten versions of 4 cues still haven't leaked:

 

Main Title (1M2)

Cantina Band
Cantina Band 2

The Last Battle (12M1)

 

So we have no idea who orchestrated those cues

[Manakin Skywalker 3576]

Angela Morley has talked about her involvement with the first score, particularly mentioning the final battle (12M1 specifically).

 

EDIT: Angela Morley about Arranging for John Williams on Star Wars - JOHN WILLIAMS - JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network (jwfan.com)

[Jay 30918]

I wonder if that's why that cue didn't leak with all the others?

[stravinsky 192]

Interesting. So Angela Morley did work on Star Wars! I wonder how much orchestrators earn compared to composers. I'm currently trying to figure out which pages I should get printed and bound and in what order so I can have what I've dreamed of for years. Namely the full orchestral score of ANH. There are many revisions contained in the leak. So it's confusing. I went to a print shop recently to be told that just a simple binding and printing of the score in A4 would cost me over £300. By the way does anyone know the dimension of paper used for the original hand written score? Each page looks like a long oblong. 

[SilverTrumpet 510]

23 minutes ago, Jay said:

I wonder if that's why that cue didn't leak with all the others?

 

Where did those other leaks come from anyway? I remember seeing them in album compilations people made but I don't remember when they leaked out.

[Jay 30918]

I don't understand the question?

[SilverTrumpet 510]

How did they leak? Was it in a game or something? Did someone actually leak the recordings from within Lucasfilm? What's the origin of those recordings that we have them?

[Jay 30918]

We haven't been talking about leaked recordings, we're talking about sheet music

 

That's how we know who orchestrated each cue in the score, we looked at the sheet music.