John Powell's PAN (2015)

[Jay 37,271]

The Boxtrolls is the only score of his I'm really familiar with. I should check out more.

I like a lot of Powell's work, but the fact that he's being give what, 1-2, maybe 3 months to write this instead of the probably year Marianelli has does not bode well.

Unless his semi-retirement has let to lots of unsolicited writing that would be appropriate for this film. Who knows.

[crocodile 7,978]

So what do you think of The Boxtrolls, Jay? I can't remember you saying anything.

(and I constantly talk about it, I know)

Karol

[KK 3,307]

Yes! That was his first big score.

I was always wondering what TGP and Sharky might think of Marianelli. Is he one of the good guys? Or just another fake messiah?

Karol

Sharky is a believer.

I think TGP has yet to be converted. From what I remember, he still judges Marianelli by lesser works like Pride and Prejudice.

[Dixon Hill 4,232]

I like V For Vendetta.

[Jay 37,271]

Yea, it looks like I never posted anything about it when I listened to it. Strange.

Well, I listened to The Boxtrolls one time and Spotify and really enjoyed it! Been kinda waiting to see the movie to check it out again.

[crocodile 7,978]

The film is not bad actually. You don't get to see a lot of stop-motion animation these days and that alone makes it worth it. Marianelli tends to blur the lines between sound effects, source music and score in his work. Happened in Brothers Grimm, V for Vendetta, Pride and Prejudice, Atonement and also in The Boxtrolls. That's one of his trademarks of sort.

Karol

[KK 3,307]

I like V For Vendetta.

Good!

Have you heard Atonement, Jane Eyre or Agora?

[publicist 4,643]

[crocodile 7,978]

You don't often see Germans blush. What is it, love?

Karol

[KK 3,307]

I like you sir.

[publicist 4,643]

It's disappointment mixed with rising anger. Powell has no time and we will be gifted with his xth hyperactive fantasy score instead of Marianelli's more measured classical take. Hope Ford fucked this one up.

[crocodile 7,978]

One guy on FSM posted this (not sure how accurate this is):

Sadly Marianelli had to go. Who to blame? The corporate body of Warner Brothers. They'd make remarks like "your score is too European". The producers obviously want a lighter, funnier film and thought his score was too dark. Director still supported him. But ultimately with these big studio pictures, the studio has the final say. So bastards really.

Apparently the guy who works on this picture said he wasn't all that surprised, since they had pretty much said it might happen for the last 4 months.

But it doesn't excuse them having worked directly with him, saying they were happy with everything and then turning on him after the screening. If they were unhappy with the musical direction, they should have told him sooner. If only to give the next guy a half chance of writing a decent replacement score.

As regards score, it's like an old school score really. Orchestral, grand, heavy use of brass. A bit more straightforward harmonically than Brothers Grimm. He simplified it quite significantly after the first preview. In an effort to make it less European. Sadly it was never recorded.

As for Marianelli, he's pretty pissed off.

I don't envy Powell really, as he has a hell of a mountain to climb because the recording sessions are in 5 weeks time!

Karol

[publicist 4,643]

Expected...boy, i hope these sessions will turn up.

[crocodile 7,978]

Sometimes, one hopes for a more Yared behaviour.

But, it's quite likely the sessions might leak anyway. With how things are these days. I hope...

Karol

[KK 3,307]

Urgh...how disappointing...

[Jay 37,271]

Horner's COMPLETELY recorded Romeo and Juliet score still hasn't leaked. I think rejected scores are less likely to leak than used ones.

[publicist 4,643]

Yes, it has. Only not in wide circulation.

[crocodile 7,978]

Yeah. I still have hopes to hear both. And other gems like this.

Karol

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

He said that Wright was looking something more contemporary for this film and he didn't want to force himself into doing something he's not that into. That's pretty much exactly what he said.

Karol

What an asshat!

[Jay 37,271]

Yes, it has. Only not in wide circulation.

Prove it!

[publicist 4,643]

You wish.

[Jay 37,271]

Then your claim has no basis whatsoever.

[publicist 4,643]

You have no basis whatsoever, as far as i'm concerned.

[Jay 37,271]

I don't even know what that means

If you claim Horner's R&J has leaked, provide us some info. Tracks titles? Length? Mood? Style? How it spread?

Words are just words.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

If you did prove it it would probably get removed anyway.

Modern JWfan moderation is a nightmare.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

It's disappointment mixed with rising anger.

That's how you visualize disappointment mixed with rising anger??

[publicist 4,643]

Yeah, i'm a tentative person.

If you claim Horner's R&J has leaked, provide us some info. Tracks titles? Length? Mood? Style? How it spread?

And you are really an obnoxious, anal-retentive kind of person. Why don't you just accept that some things are as they are and YOU are just not privy to them? How is that for a change? You can't prove no one has these recording sessions, either.

[Jay 37,271]

Well obvious SOME People have them. "Leaked" means its spread outside the people who worked on the film and whoever they trusted it with.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

That's not what leaked means.

[Jay 37,271]

Well, people seem to use "leaked" to EITHER mean "its gone beyond the people who have the right to have it, and now session traders have it" OR to mean "it is no longer only in the hands of traders; it was posted to a public forum and now anyone can download it". Depends on who you're talking to, I guess.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Even if its in the hands of traders it has leaked.

[Faleel 5,326]

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[Jay 37,271]

And I would know if its in the hands of session traders, and its not.

[publicist 4,643]

These sessions are not unobtainable. That's all i can say so far. When or if they get in wide circulation i have no idea but i know someone here in Europe close to the post-production team who got at least a huge chunk of them.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

That's not what leaked means.

I got this!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

A leak? I'm not detecting any leak?

[Jay 37,271]

These sessions are not unobtainable. That's all i can say so far. When or if they get in wide circulation i have no idea but i know someone here in Europe close to the post-production team who got at least a huge chunk of them.

Excellent!

[crocodile 7,978]

According to the guy on FSM the score exists only in mockup stage. Or largely in that format.

Pan, that is.

Karol

[Jay 37,271]

Yea, he already said in his first post it was never recorded.

[crocodile 7,978]

No, he said Marianelli did some mockups of "updated" score. Didn't say anything about whether first versions were ever recorded.

Karol

[Jay 37,271]

Hmmm, his post says that Marianelli scored the film, they screened a version using synth mockups of his cues, the execs didn't like it, and now Powell is scoring it.

There is nothing about a "first version" vs an "updated version". Where are you getting that from?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

As regards score, it's like an old school score really. Orchestral, grand, heavy use of brass. A bit more straightforward harmonically than Brothers Grimm. He simplified it quite significantly after the first preview. In an effort to make it less European. Sadly it was never recorded.

[publicist 4,643]

Source, croc!!!!!!!!!!

[Jay 37,271]

Ah, missed that!

Leave it to a studio exec to want something "less European". What does that even mean?

[Jilal 569]

A bit off-topic, but most composers seem to write with MIDI (and produce their own mockups) nowadays. I was told by one of his orchestrators that Desplat does, and Davis apparently does too, although both are classically trained and know exactly what they are doing.

[crocodile 7,978]

One guy on FSM posted this (not sure how accurate this is):

Sadly Marianelli had to go. Who to blame? The corporate body of Warner Brothers. They'd make remarks like "your score is too European". The producers obviously want a lighter, funnier film and thought his score was too dark. Director still supported him. But ultimately with these big studio pictures, the studio has the final say. So bastards really.

Apparently the guy who works on this picture said he wasn't all that surprised, since they had pretty much said it might happen for the last 4 months.

But it doesn't excuse them having worked directly with him, saying they were happy with everything and then turning on him after the screening. If they were unhappy with the musical direction, they should have told him sooner. If only to give the next guy a half chance of writing a decent replacement score.

As regards score, it's like an old school score really. Orchestral, grand, heavy use of brass. A bit more straightforward harmonically than Brothers Grimm. He simplified it quite significantly after the first preview. In an effort to make it less European. Sadly it was never recorded.

As for Marianelli, he's pretty pissed off.

I don't envy Powell really, as he has a hell of a mountain to climb because the recording sessions are in 5 weeks time!

I understood that he never got to record the updated stuff (like Yared on Troy)

And then he mentions he heard some of it a while back while assisting a mate on this project. And that the film was tracked with mockups. Again, no mention of whether the score was recorded or not.

I simply assumed that Marianelli must have recorded something, given that he's been working on it for a year or so.

Karol

[publicist 4,643]

Probably having to audition each 20-second cue to 20 Warner Bros. execs for a whole year only to get fired for irreparable differences after all.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Leave it to a studio exec to want something "less European". What does that even mean?

Make it sound like RCP, man!

[KK 3,307]

Yeah. RCP is the real music of 'MURICA!

[Jilal 569]

Yeah, I guess they mean less refined and symphonic, or just less refined by 'European', hence why he 'simplified' it.