gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 So, Extended Edition ...Do you think we will see a flashback on the story of Thranduil's white gems? I was watching the AUJ audio commentary again, and Boyens says it will be elaborated on in the 2nd and 3rd films. And since DoS didn't mention it a lot, except once, shortly, I thought this could be included in the EE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I doubt it. Is there much else to know other that he greatly covets them, and is angry they were not given to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Bloated storylines are what these films are about, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'd rather see bloated storylines about Thrain and Beorn though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 For those keeping tabs on such things, someone on TORN who downloaded the DoS:EE early from ITunes (he's in New Zealand) confirmed that the prologue is extended with a flashback, but isn't saying what it is exactly. That's enough to get me excited. The obvious candidate is the map and key scene, given that the Thrain disappearing after Azanulbizar flashback would make better sense when Gandalf finds him in Dol Guldur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Who cares about that? How's the new music? How's the new music?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Who cares about that? How's the new music? How's the new music?!?How the fuck would I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Only on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Just wait for the EE to come out BB. OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 OK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 This time around I am actually very interested to see if the extra material will bring some of the book back to the movie and add something relevant to the story now that the dwarves have gotten over their fart jokes and food fights they enjoyed in Eriador in AUJ.Has there been any indication of what will be the statuette coming with the Collector's Edition of the Extended Edition.EDIT. Oh yeah it was those dwarven statues KK hates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I've reached a point where I'm more interested in the new music than in the new footage in these EEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Despite what has been said, I would be stunned (and very happy) if ALL the music for the added scenes is new. I find it hard to believe that PJ had this cut down to a tee last year and it was scored perfectly, and then various alternates and replacements were done for the TC (or vice versa). If we suppose there is 22 mins of added music (rough estimate - could be more, could be less), I expect about 10-15 mins of it to be new and the rest tracked.I really hope I'm wrong, but looking logically at the production process I just can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I've reached a point where I'm more interested in the new music than in the new footage in these EEs.Ah the saturation point has been reached. Actually it is a bit the same for me as well. Some nice possibilities to expand the music in those extra 20 odd minutes of footage too. If I understood it correctly they did the recording of these pieces of music already at the sessions back in 2013 and it is just added to the additional scored scenes in the EE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Nah, the EE would have been finalized months ago, before these sessions got underway. Either the scenes were scored last year or not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Despite what has been said, I would be stunned (and very happy) if ALL the music for the added scenes is new. I find it hard to believe that PJ had this cut down to a tee last year and it was scored perfectly, and then various alternates and replacements were done for the TC (or vice versa). If we suppose there is 22 mins of added music (rough estimate - could be more, could be less), I expect about 10-15 mins of it to be new and the rest tracked. I really hope I'm wrong, but looking logically at the production process I just can't see it. You're wrong. The EE film and TC film were edited and scored side-by-side. All the EE cues where written by Shore the same time as everything else, and recorded by Pope the same time as everything else. Jim Ware 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Despite what has been said, I would be stunned (and very happy) if ALL the music for the added scenes is new. I find it hard to believe that PJ had this cut down to a tee last year and it was scored perfectly, and then various alternates and replacements were done for the TC (or vice versa). If we suppose there is 22 mins of added music (rough estimate - could be more, could be less), I expect about 10-15 mins of it to be new and the rest tracked.I really hope I'm wrong, but looking logically at the production process I just can't see it.You're wrong. The EE film and TC film were edited and scored side-by-side. All the EE cues where written by Shore the same time as everything else, and recorded by Pope the same time as everything else.I'll trust you have insider knowledge, but I do find this strange. Obviously this wasn't done for AUJ, and it wasn't the case with LOTR, so it's a big change. I suppose it works for the sake of convenience, but it surprises me that Jackson would have both edits locked down at such a relatively early stage. I guess this shows more discipline than many people give him credit for.If that theme does indeed turn out to be Thrain's theme we will have proof of your insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Oh I trust Jay. He has many spies in his service: birds, beasts, even men. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yes, the post production process is very different for the TH films than the LOTR ones. I mean, when they were first making the LOTR films, they had no idea there'd even BE extended versions eventually, right? With TH they knew that the whole time, and PJ simultaneously prepared both versions. For AUJ it was tricky though, because they shifted from 2 films to 3 mid production, so they didn't have that luxury then. Shore was just scoring finished footage as he was sent it, and the TC was still being shaped up to the last minute. Once that was done and an EE was commisioned, most of the added material had already been scored by HS, and no further recordings were needed. And then by the time they moved onto DOS after that, the had the luxury of simultaneous cutting and scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I still maintain that the theatrical cut of AUJ is essentially an EE anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yea, it's kind of like an EE of the first 2/3rds of the original 2film Film 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yea, it's kind of like an EE of the first 2/3rds of the original 2film Film 1 Yeah. The 10 extra minutes do not add anything very vital to the already 2h 50 minute film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 That's not what we were just talking about - we were talking about the TC of AUJ. It features stuff in it that never would have been in the TC of Film 1 of the 2 film structure.Anyways, I still maintain the EE of AUJ is a superior cut to the TC. Bilbo and SafeUnderHill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The Rivendell additions alone make it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Cut away all the dwarf humor and I would be almost fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The Rivendell additions alone make it better. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Never in the annals of Rivendell has there been a more sordid episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 hehe, annal Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Never in the annals of Rivendell has there been a more sordid episode.That we know of...And you know when I said that I was mainly thinking about those involving Bilbo, Elrond and Thorin. And I rather like Bofur's number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I know you did, but that needed bringing up Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Never forget, never forgive! Smeltington and Alex Shore 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Well now we know why 'The Nine' features in the extended House of Beorn:During the conversation between Gandalf and Beorn they show a flashback to Men of the North dragging the body of the Witchking into a tomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 And after that it gets even better. Festering plot holes and illogical deviations from Tolkien as far as the eye can see!Well it makes sense in the nonsensical movie canon musically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Post from TORN:The music in the flashbacks is poignant and great. It's a reuse of the Durin's Folk theme in a more glorious way. Louder, more war-like. More House of Durin! Sounds like this one might have choral elements too. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The music in the flashbacks is poignant and great. It's a reuse of the Durin's Folk theme in a more glorious way. Louder, more war-like.Sounds great! I feel like I'm gonna enjoy the new music a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Picture "An Ancient Enemy" from AUJ but with House Of Durin interpolated into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Have you learnt nothing BB? Don't get your hopes up! You always end up disappointed!And that thing about the Nine sounds awful...I was kind of hoping they just gave up on that storyline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The music in the flashbacks is poignant and great. It's a reuse of the Durin's Folk theme in a more glorious way. Louder, more war-like.Sounds great! I feel like I'm gonna enjoy the new music a lot!Whoah, whoah, whoah BB!? What's this? Optimism? Regarding The Hobbit films?!OK given that it refers to the music I can concede your reaction was warranted. Carry on!Picture "An Ancient Enemy" from AUJ but with House Of Durin interpolated into it Now that sounds extremely interesting and potentially goose bumps inducing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Have you learnt nothing BB? Don't get your hopes up! You always end up disappointed! Not this time! Remember: Howard has shaved! Hope is restored!But the music was written BEFORE the Great Shaving!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 No! Shore had a beard when he wrote the music for the theatrical cut, but he shaved before recording the music for the EE scenes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Never! That's a lie! Smoke and mirrors to beguile the masses! There was a beard so Shore could get closer to the dwarven mentality. Use the Beard Howard, use the Beard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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