Thor 7,451 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: Where do you have that from? The rerecording has been going for good prices on the secondary market for many years! I just seem to vaguely recall some discussions on FSM in the early 2000s, where people ragged on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,277 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Thor said: The McNeely is the only one I have, and the one I prefer the most (I've sampled a few others). Even though it tends to be unpopular in film music circles, for some reason. Every time I play it, I'm surprised to hear how well edited it is - a whole bunch of short cues that flow together very nicely and organically; I never think about the fact that it has a whopping 40 tracks. I really enjoy that recording too, the sound is fairly warm given how stark the music is, especially compared to the very dry Elfman version. Both are great in their own ways, certainly fine interpretations. Can't say I feel like I'm massively missing out not having the original tracks. On a semi-related note, really enjoying Quartet's superb Endless Night recording. I haven't actually read what the issues some people have with it, but coming to it knowing very little about it (never even heard of the film before it was announced), the performance and recording are very fine indeed. I don't think I'd quite class it as top tier Herrmann, but his lesser works are still worth hearing and better than 99% of everything else! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,451 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: I really enjoy that recording too, the sound is fairly warm given how stark the music is, especially compared to the very dry Elfman version. Both are great in their own ways, certainly fine interpretations. Can't say I feel like I'm massively missing out not having the original tracks. Elfman hasn't done CITIZEN KANE. You're probably thinking of PSYCHO. 5 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: On a semi-related note, really enjoying Quartet's superb Endless Night recording. I haven't actually read what the issues some people have with it, but coming to it knowing very little about it (never even heard of the film before it was announced), the performance and recording are very fine indeed. I don't think I'd quite class it as top tier Herrmann, but his lesser works are still worth hearing and better than 99% of everything else! Yes, indeed! It's my second favourite archival release of 2020, as I also said on FSM. Only beaten by Dominik Scherrer's MISS MARPLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,277 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Thor said: Elfman hasn't done CITIZEN KANE. You're probably thinking of PSYCHO. Yes, indeed! It's my second favourite archival release of 2020, as I also said on FSM. Only beaten by Dominik Scherrer's MISS MARPLE. D'oh, you're quite right, sorry I misread the thread of the, erm, thread. Funnily enough, I listened to the Gamba Citizen Kane yesterday and thought it was very fine indeed but have the McNeely one on my (almost moronically long) upcoming music playlist. Having listened to the McNeely one for years, I recall finding the Gamba one much more satisfying, but I can't remember why. Then again, Matthew Sweet played a selection from the McNeely album on Sound of Cinema on BBC Radio 3 the other week on his Orson Welles show and I thought it sounded great. I shall have to check out Miss Marple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, Thor said: Elfman hasn't done CITIZEN KANE. You're probably thinking of PSYCHO. And I was talking about North by Northwest, so there may be two layers of confusion here, depending on which score you were referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,451 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Ha! There are too many albums around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: And I was talking about North by Northwest Me too! I don't find McNeely's rerecording of Kane all that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,451 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Me too! I don't find McNeely's rerecording of Kane all that good. So you're in line with the FSM people of the early 2000s, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, Thor said: So you're in line with the FSM people of the early 2000s, then. My main issue is that some of the tracks sound under-rehearsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,451 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Probably what they thought too. Personally, I've always found it excellent. But then, I'm rarely investigating orchestral performances with a magnifying glass, like so many do here. It will have to be really bad for me to take notice, like Horner's BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS and that kind of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Thor said: Probably what they thought too. Personally, I've always found it excellent. But then, I'm rarely investigating orchestral performances with a magnifying glass, like so many do here. It will have to be really bad for me to take notice, like Horner's BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS and that kind of stuff. I've never investigated this score in much detail either, but when you get the feeling that some of the players are really struggling with the tempo in your favourite track, and the tempo is already too slow, it's kind of a deal-breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 This CD is recommended by some classical sites, your impression? As I understand, it's the Suite Herrmann wrote from his score, not the score itself. Correct me, but it seems the original score has never been re-recorded yet? Herrmann: The Devil And Daniel Webster / James Sedares Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,077 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Yes, the original score has never been fully recorded. Have I have this fabulous recording and the sound quality is very good. This Devil Webster is not the full recording but an extended suite. The Charles Ives tribute suite is another winner. John Williams conducted two cues including the Ives piece in a concert in NY. This is a must have! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I'll order it, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,451 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I second Amer's recommendation. Personally, I've never warmed to Ives' music, but I know that Herrmann was a big proponent of his work, so he deserves credit for that. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 There several more albums on Koch with Herrmann's music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,077 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Oh there is another recording of the same Daniel Webster suite on the Unicorn Kanchana label. It's also a good recording being conducted by Herrmann himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 What was the best recording of Psycho and Vertigo again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,277 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: What was the best recording of Psycho and Vertigo again? Vertigo I’d say the Joel McNeely version, although it’s not quite complete but covers a majority of the score in a superb performance with tremendous sound. Psycho with the same forces is (I believe) complete but is less favourably regarded but I still find to be a fine recording. I guess the warmth and depth of sound that benefits Vertigo isn’t as suitable for Psycho but still great. However, the Danny Elfman remake versions from 1998 is considered to more closely match the intensity of the original but has the downsides of being incomplete (albeit not missing anything major) and hard to find. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 McNeely version is that the one released by Varese Sarabane in the late 90s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Herrmann conducts a great suite on the London " Great HITCHCOCK Thrillers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 That's too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,277 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: McNeely version is that the one released by Varese Sarabane in the late 90s? That’s the one. And I agree with @Jurassic Shark that the Herrmann suite versions are quite ponderous. Also they are suites rather than more or less the complete score. Indeed his movie thrillers album is probably my least favourite of the phase 4 albums. The fantasy ones are much more enjoyable and the more colourful instrumentation benefits from the super up-front recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I agree about the FANTASY album. The suite is certainly brisker than the complete score he recorded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Yeah, that's the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Is someone familiar with the 4 LP Herrmann recorded on the early 70s with the National/London Philh O? They were reissued over the years as 3 CD. The content of the fourth LP seems not to be on Spotify. https://open.spotify.com/album/5JkAPlCqxUilRj8yeeNDyw?si=lRN8oajYQuOR5KFsOiYjdA&utm_source=copy-link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 It's all here. https://www.europadisc.co.uk/classical/93202/Bernard_Herrmann_-_Film_Classics.htm https://www.europadisc.co.uk/classical/93203/Cinema_Spectacular.htm https://www.europadisc.co.uk/classical/93204/Miklos_Rozsa_-_Film_Scores.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I'll never buy these CDs in Euro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I listened to the first album of Herrmann's own re-recordings with the National/London Philh O. Great sound for 1969! The Suite from Psycho is conducted a bit slowly, I wonder if it was the wish of Herrmann, or because the orchestra could'nt follow! Well, it's different, but I have to admit we have SO MANY good re-recordings of those works those days, that these recordings represent a "rarity". But in those years, I guess it was the only way to hear these wonderfull works in all their glory. Bernard Herrmann / London Philharmonic Orchestra – Music From The Great Movie Thrillers (1969) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,506 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, Bespin said: I listened to the first album of Herrmann's own re-recordings with the National/London Philh O. Great sound for 1969! The Suite from Psycho is conducted a bit slowly, I wonder if it was the wish of Herrmann, or because the orchestra could'nt follow! The Philharmonia recordings are glorious phase 4 stereo, aren't they? Herrmann conducted slowly at the time and later because his progressing illness made him slower to react in general. By 1975 he had to pass on the conducting duties on Taxi Driver because he couldn't move fast enough. The problem was mental more than physical (say, arms). But at least that resulted in an unforgettable Thaxted in his recording of The Planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Taxi Driver is conducted by him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fabulin 3,506 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bespin said: Taxi Driver is conducted by him? Oh, mea culpa. I mixed it up with a story from the Psycho re-recording: Quote The clarity and excitement of the new Psycho recording made at Barking Assembly Hall with the National Philharmonic's string section hardly seemed possible at the outset of the one-day session, at which Herrmann was weak and tense. "Benny started rehearsal with the prelude," John Goldsmith recalled, "and although he was never the world's greatest conductor, he certainly wasn't himself healthwise. He began conducting the opening at a crawl and Laurie Johnson and I just looked at each other. Benny turned to us and said, 'Whaddaya think?' I said, 'A bit slow.' 'Whaddaya mean?' he said. 'This ain't the film!' 'Well, I know it's not the film, Benny; but it's much slower.' So he did it again, and Laurie jollied him on a bit more. Benny kept doing it, and doing it, and finally gave the baton to Laurie and said, 'Awww, Christ you do it!' After Laurie recorded the first track, Benny woke himself up and did better." Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jay said: Yes that's what I recalled, that Bernard Herrmann conducted the score himself, that's why I asked Fabulin. The "horrible" recordings on the A-side where made after Herrmann's death, especially for the OST. Happily, now we have the complete score on CD. Anyway the 1969 Psycho re-recording remains a bit slow, but nothing dramatic. That was what, 6 years before Herrmann's death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,973 Posted February 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2021 This is awesome! Karol Marian Schedenig, bruce marshall, Romão and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Like discussed on another thread, I gave this wonderful recording a little help by adding a light touch of compression. I have become so picky over the years! But all the new recordings are compressed now, so it's always a bit odd to listen to an album which is not. In my case, it's because I listen mostly my music with headphones, so I appreciate less volume difference between very quiet parts and very louder ones. And my compression process is very "light". Amer and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Jane Eyre is the longest score of Bernard Herrmann, so here are the 5 pieces from the Suite, for when you don't have 68 minutes before you! Jurassic Shark and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 18 hours ago, crocodile said: This is awesome! Karol https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=16023&forumID= 1&archive=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 With my three CDs I can finally recreate these 4 legendary LPs conducted by Bernard Herrmann! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I love that JASON was added to FANTASY CD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,488 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 There may be no golden fleece, but human riches I'll release, like Jason and the argonauts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I had the Intrada rerecording of the complete score. It was excellent but I prefer the suite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,277 Posted April 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2021 http://www.bernardherrmann.org/events/2021-the-film-scores-of-bernard-herrmann I kinda wish I didn’t own them all so I could buy them all over again... but for those who don’t own them... Fabulin, Arpy, Marian Schedenig and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Cool! It remains to see if the liner notes are as extensive as on earlier releases. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 So they divided the albums to recreate the original LP programs... that's how I listen to them anyway! "Music From Great Shakespearean Films" and "Great British Film Scores" doesn't contain any music composed by Herrmann, so for me they are less interesting... I just purchased this 1994 UK CD, for getting the Obsession OST. I think it'll do the job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I wonder how much this is gonna drain my wallet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 It's a good option for those who didn't have those CD yet, but don't expect any remastering. Decca, that means "El cheapo" in plain english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Avoid any of his " conducts" Lps unless you want to hear the classics at half speed😒 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Oh shut up. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Did anyone get the KRITZERLAND ...12 MILE REEF? Supposedly it improves on.the FSM by eliminating wow( which I never noticed) 5 minutes ago, Bespin said: Oh shut up. Philistine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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