Jay 37,346 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 TroyMeh, nothing for me here. Basically its a big jumble of all of Horner's existing ideas, combined in a completely uninspiring way. No good main theme to latch on to, either. There was one theme that reminded me strongly of a theme from some other score (can't think of which one right now), which was unfortunate. And i wasn't expecting Josh Groban to start singing in the last track - eesh! I don't know anything about the guy, but based on the two soundtracks I own with him on it, I never want to listen to any of his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 It's alright for a two-week emergency job. I liked the main theme that flourishes in the finale. And the city of Troy theme is great in all its Britten-ness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Did you count the 127 appearances of the danger motif? I might be off by a few though.Also, you appreciate Jumanji but not Troy? Considering the short time Horner had for Troy, it's a masterpiece compared to Jumanji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 Jumanji is awesome, varied inventive, uniquely orchestrated. Troy was yawn inducing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 TroyMeh, nothing for me here. Basically its a big jumble of all of Horner's existing ideas, combined in a completely uninspiring way. No good main theme to latch on to, either. There was one theme that reminded me strongly of a theme from some other score (can't think of which one right now), which was unfortunate. And i wasn't expecting Josh Groban to start singing in the last track - eesh! I don't know anything about the guy, but based on the two soundtracks I own with him on it, I never want to listen to any of his stuff.Good use of Shostakovich, Britten and Vaughan-Williams. Not much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Tastes differ, and rightly so.But honestly speaking I didn't think highly of Troy either at first. Now I don't mind its unoriginality and way too many Hornerisms.We'll talk again in 10 years, okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 I can't imagine I'll listen to Troy that often between now and then, but who knows.I haven't seen the film since theaters either, but doubt I'll see it again any time soon. Plus its confusing with the different cuts out there. Or was that Alexander. I guess its both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Did you count the 127 appearances of the danger motif? I might be off by a few though.Thats all I remember from the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 Yea it appeared early and often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Parabaraaaaaaa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 That has to be the single best phonetic rendering of the danger motif I've ever seen. Nice. Now do "Stealing the Enterprise. . . ." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I can't imagine I'll listen to Troy that often between now and then, but who knows.I haven't seen the film since theaters either, but doubt I'll see it again any time soon. Plus its confusing with the different cuts out there. Or was that Alexander. I guess its both.Troy theatrical cut is inferior to the director's cut, which added some great scenes. I enjoy the DC a lot.Alexander is one of Stone's rare misfires, Troy is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I haven't seen the film since theaters either, but doubt I'll see it again any time soon. Plus its confusing with the different cuts out thereThere are only two cuts: the theatrical cut and the Director's cut. Nothing confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 Alexander has 3 or 4 cuts, that's what I was thinking of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I only saw one cut of Alexander, when he slit the throat of his arch enemy.That one cut was enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto's Claws 2 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Re: the Cincinnati Pops--I own almost all of those, and yes, they are speaker killers too. Greatest range I ever found was the Sound of Music re-recording from them.Re: Jumanji - not a bad score. I like the french horn solos playing the main theme of Alan Parrish. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Do we just bring up scores at random? As far as the thread goes, nobody has brought up the one that inspired my username: Balto. Its often the forgotten score of 1995 because he was doing so much around that time. The emotional material using the strings rivals the Land Before Time and An American Tail. "Heritage of the Wolf" is great because it shows Balto's growth from outcast and shamed to be part-wolf, to actually embracing the fact he is different from the other dogs. Also, as far as I can tell, Horner didn't quote anything he previously did in this score and no danger motifs either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 I haven't heard that one, gotta check it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Do we just bring up scores at random?Well . . . the whole "listening party" thing implies that we're listing what's on our playlist at the moment—just like the "What's the last score you listened to?" thread, exclusive to James Horner. But there's no reason you can't recommend something for the rest of us to listen to. Still fits the theme just fine.And Balto does seem to be Horner's overlooked animated score. It's just as good as The Land Before Time and An American Tale, but it gets a lot less attention for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 It really isn't - certainly far from any LAND BEFORE TIME-level - but it's fair enough. It also reeks of Don Davis' ghostwriting (several MATRIX ideas crop up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 This guy did a great adaptation and expansion of Horner's Jumanji theme, which I dare say is better than the original It sounds a bit too like the theme from the Godzilla series -same composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 As far as I'm concerned, the danger motif is the main theme in Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I never listened to Horner's Troy, and I never cared for the movie after one viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 And i wasn't expecting Josh Groban to start singing in the last track - eesh! I don't know anything about the guy, but based on the two soundtracks I own with him on it, I never want to listen to any of his stuff.There are these two songs by him that are probably the only music I like that I'd call "guilty pleasures." They're just so pretty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 The best part of Jumanji is the beginning of The Monsoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Listening to CASPER. Over the past couple weeks, this has quickly become a new favorite. I love Horner's two main themes, and the Korngold reference is a lot of fun too. Can't get over that melody that's first introduced at 2:31 in "No Sign of Ghosts", though; absolutely stunning. He does an amazing job of putting it into different orchestration contexts over the course of the score, and the rendition in "Casper's Lullaby" is some of my favorite Horner music ever. What a great score. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Listening to CASPER. Over the past couple weeks, this has quickly become a new favorite. I love Horner's two main themes, and the Korngold reference is a lot of fun too. Can't get over that melody that's first introduced at 2:31 in "No Sign of Ghosts", though; absolutely stunning. He does an amazing job of putting it into different orchestration contexts over the course of the score, and the rendition in "Casper's Lullaby" is some of my favorite Horner music ever. What a great score.CASPER is - given the movie it was written for - better than it has any right to be. Though by this time Horner had to follow the ever-growing Elfman footsteps for silly fx extravaganzas the score is a huge treasure trove of thematic abundance and uncharacteristically lavish orchestration - maybe he still thought he could inherit Williams by this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I listened to Glory and Enemy At The Gates today. The former is fantastic. Hadn't listened to it in a long time. The latter is as good as I remember from the film, but also one I don't revisit often enough. I swear though that the main melody is from Schindler's List. Must be some traditional piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 It's Mahler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 9, 2015 Author Share Posted July 9, 2015 AvatarA good one. Starts off a bit slow (some of the early tracks don't do much for me), but then once its gets going, man does it get going! "Climbing Up ''Iknimaya - The Path to Heaven''" is a highlight!I listened to the OST; Its been a while since I've bothered with the full sessions leak, or edits made from it. Can't remember what sort of highlights are missing from the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I don't know if I would necessarily call those great pieces (as they tend to be quite incoherent, by Horner's standards) but there are some nice climactic action passages missing (from the battle sequence). They're probably more brutal than any other music from the composer (especially the latter one). Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 9, 2015 Author Share Posted July 9, 2015 GloryFantastic, a great score. A lot of different musical ideas at play here, but under the mastery of Horner thye come together into a cohesive whole. At 43 minutes, though, its like its over just when its getting started. Here's hoping a specialty label can release an expansion soon. Yes, I know a boot with everything is already out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Actually, theme from Wolfen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Klingon theme!Actually it sounds like something between Khan, Klingon and Aliens themes. But it's neither as well.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 9, 2015 Author Share Posted July 9, 2015 The Spiderwick ChroniclesNever heard this one before. It was fun! Will be listening again for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 It's a bit dull for the first half hour though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys (1991) - granted there's only 2 tracks on the cd "Going Home" and "In Training" , After 33 seconds of pan pipes on "Going Home" it immediately turns synth and electronic to a variation of the GLORY theme for a few seconds and then the rest of the track well...you'd almost be mistaken that this was actually Horner music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 TroyMeh, nothing for me here. Basically its a big jumble of all of Horner's existing ideas, combined in a completely uninspiring way. No good main theme to latch on to, either. There was one theme that reminded me strongly of a theme from some other score (can't think of which one right now), which was unfortunate. And i wasn't expecting Josh Groban to start singing in the last track - eesh! I don't know anything about the guy, but based on the two soundtracks I own with him on it, I never want to listen to any of his stuff.Good use of Shostakovich, Britten and Vaughan-Williams. Not much else.What about Horner's remake of Battle on the Ice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I like Troy. More cohesive than it should have been.Karol Hitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 It's certainly a lot better then the rejected Yared score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Its ample mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 It's certainly a lot better then the rejected Yared score.Why do people always need to bring it up? Better or worse, it's still a solid work.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 It's certainly a lot better then the rejected Yared score.You are clearly not thinking straight. I suggest the following:Get off the booze, pop in Troy by Yared, hit play, listen until music stops, change opinion, post apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Since the score was never issued on CD, your suggestion is impractical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I like Troy. More cohesive than it should have been.KarolThe track "Troy" when the procession enters the city always gives me goosebumps. Still it's a kick in the teeth to Yared's year long labour of love. Still both are good scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Since the score was never issued on CD, your suggestion is impractical. Well I didn't say the disc, you may interpret pop in any way you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 There is no other interpretation that I can think of that isn't distinctly sexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Yes only you would think about pop in a sexual manner. It didn't even occur to me until now.Pop = dutch for doll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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