crumbs 14,300 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I really hope it's not Luke looking out at the twin suns on the Tatooine homestead; Lucas already did that in ROTS! Maybe it'll be Luke/Han/Leia all reunited somehow? Allowing Williams to do a suite of all the themes in the final cue, before seguing into the now-traditional Binary Sunset closer. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 If some rumoured story leaks are to be believed, the ending will be the twin-sun shot on Tatooine. That in and of itself isn't particularly a bad thing, you know, it's like poetry... gkgyver, Fabulin and Will 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted September 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2019 No no this needs to end where it all began. A Trade Federation ship, some Neimoidians, and a perfectly legal blockade situation. Cerebral Cortex, Bayesian, Unlucky Bastard and 8 others 2 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Ending with the binary sunset would definitely be a bit boring. Maybe that’s the answer after TLJ though to satisfy the masses. Safe and fan servicey. Chen G. and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 The toy commercial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I’m surprised they haven’t made toy figures of the twin suns themselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Holko 9,499 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I'm completely sorry, blame the madman above for putting the image in my head! Will and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted September 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Ending with the binary sunset would definitely be a bit boring. Maybe that’s the answer after TLJ though to satisfy the masses. Safe and fan servicey. It would have to be a set. About a month or two ago is when Kevin Smith visited the set and got to see where the very last scene was shot and said it will "melt your mind". Obviously a "twin sun" scene would just be green screen. https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-final-shot-kevin-smith-reaction/ Disco Stu, Will and MikeH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 BWAAAM! mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 15 hours ago, Arpy said: If some rumoured story leaks are to be believed, the ending will be the twin-sun shot on Tatooine. That in and of itself isn't particularly a bad thing, you know, it's like poetry... It's not poetry, for god's sake. After 9 bloody movies, it's a damn running gag. Chen G. and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I'll give JJ Abrams the benefit of the doubt, but - as it is - I still can't see why the sequel trilogy should have ever been made. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 It's like poetry. So that they rhyme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: I'll give JJ Abrams the benefit of the doubt, but - as it is - I still can't see why the sequel trilogy should have ever been made. Money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Do they even use recognised currency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Chen G. said: I'll give JJ Abrams the benefit of the doubt, but - as it is - I still can't see why the sequel trilogy should have ever been made. You can't see why a beloved franchise that has the potential to tell more stories wouldn't be considered for more sequels? It was inevitable and part of the reason it happened was because of Lucas! Yeah, he said in 2005 that Revenge of the Sith was the last Star Wars film and there would be no more, but that was 2005, man! I'm glad they were made, too, if only because we get to hear more Williams Star Wars music. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2005 still feels like the future to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I wish I could go back to 2004/2005 - good times! Especially the lead up to RotS! MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'd just finished high school and felt liberated for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, Arpy said: You can't see why a beloved franchise that has the potential to tell more stories wouldn't be considered for more sequels? It was inevitable and part of the reason it happened was because of Lucas! Return of the Jedi closed the book on Star Wars as a story. It’s as simple as that. 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Money? Even putting money aside, I think it’s like @Arpy said. “Well, fans want more Star Wars, don’t they? So let’s give them more.” But in my mind, it’s the job of the filmmakers not to give fans what they want, but rather what they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The Star Wars saga was completed in 2005, at least on film, but obviously something happened by the early 2010s that led to Lucas just abandoning it all to the white slavers in a legendary transaction. The guy was so protective of his work, it seems baffling that he would have divorced from it. It just so happened that the dark period between 2005 and 2015 repeated the massive renewed interest in SW similar to the resurgence after the decade following ROTJ. You don't do shit for a decade or so and you're good to go. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Return of the Jedi closed the book on Star Wars as a story. It’s as simple as that. Return of the Jedi still acts as the end, without it having to be the final nail in the proverbial coffin. 12 minutes ago, Chen G. said: But in my mind, it’s the job of the filmmakers not to give fans what they want, but rather what they need. I would love that to be true and for filmmakers to have that restraint and control and be willing to say 'enough is enough'. The primary concern of the filmmaker should be to tell a good story and make what they want, not fall to the whims and trends of consensus. DarthDementous and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: The Star Wars saga was completed in 2005, at least on film, but obviously something happened by the early 2010s that led to Lucas just abandoning it all to the white slavers in a legendary transaction. The guy was so protective of his work, it seems baffling that he would have divorced from it. It just so happened that the dark period between 2005 and 2015 repeated the massive renewed interest in SW similar to the resurgence after the decade following ROTJ. You don't do shit for a decade or so and you're good to go. Maybe Disney threatened him. Hand it over or else! $4 billion is chump change to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, Arpy said: Return of the Jedi still acts as the end, without it having to be the final nail in the proverbial coffin. But these films are presented as direct sequels: they’re not spinoffs and not prequels; they are supposedly the continuation of the same story, and yet they can never really be that, because that story had ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Who cares? As long as they can justify it at the end of this trilogy, I don't see a problem with more films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I wouldn't call the end of RotJ a definite ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 It ended the Skywalker story, in 1983. There's nothing that stops anyone from telling a story that follows from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I wouldn't call the end of RotJ a definite ending. It’s not a very good ending, but it is a definitive one. 12 minutes ago, Arpy said: It ended the Skywalker story, in 1983. There's nothing that stops anyone from telling a story that follows from there. And yet the legacy of the Skywalker story looms large over this trilogy: from iconography to call-backs, thematic ideas, narrative elements and even the choice of title. JJ Abrams did say he strives for this film to be a conclusion to a “trilogy of trilogies”, so it is meant to be a continuation from Return of the Jedi, rather than an altogether new story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 What makes Return of the Jedi a definitive ending? To me, that's only relative to the vision of the filmmakers and the time. Rise of Skywalker could be a definitive ending to Rey's story, but in twenty or thirty years time, perceptions of what 'definitive' means might change*. Someone might want to tell a story that is a continuation and it doesn't necessarily lessen what came before. *they would also have to work in elements and references of the worlds built in the tv series too, which makes things more complicated... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Story is conflict and conflict is story, and nothing but. By the end of Return of the Jedi, the central conflict of the series had been abated: the Empire has been defeated (implicit in the original film, explicit in the Special Edition), the Sith vanquished and balance restored to the Force. And then...someone basically hit the reset button for Episode VII. But genuine storytelling doesn't have a reset button. The conflict begins; it gradually escalates, twists and turns, reaches a low point and then climaxes and wraps up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Story is conflict and conflict is story, and nothing but? Genuine storytelling doesn't have a reset button? Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2019 Search your feelings, @Arpy. You will know it to be true. I did once do a three-act plot diagram of Star Wars: I also did ones for The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. It was an interesting experiment, and made for a nice comparison. Star Wars is perhaps the most wonky of the three series in terms of its overall construction. It takes a long time for the central conflict to present itself, and its followed too closely by the major upheaval in the course of the conflict. But the overall framework is recognisable. As you can see, the sequel trilogy - as it stands - is entirely extraneous. _deleted_, Disco Stu, The Illustrious Jerry and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I have a hard time finding a story in this new trilogy. What is it? Rey's "journey" that has no obstacles whatsoever? Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Ah yes, the "she's just a Mary Sue" argument used by woman hating Star Wars fans. There's still one film to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 She bypassed the compressor! Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 She cunt do thot! Shoot huh! Or something! MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted September 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Chen G. said: I did once do a three-act plot diagram of Star Wars greenturnedblue, SteveMc, The Illustrious Jerry and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2019 Publicist reads this thread? Fabulin, The Illustrious Jerry, John and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Chen G. said: Search your feelings, @Arpy. You will know it to be true. I did once do a three-act plot diagram of Star Wars: I also did ones for The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. It was an interesting experiment, and made for a nice comparison. Star Wars is perhaps the most wonky of the three series in terms of its overall construction. It takes a long time for the central conflict to present itself, and its followed too closely by the major upheaval in the course of the conflict. But the overall framework is recognisable. As you can see, the sequel trilogy - as it stands - is entirely extraneous. I don't get this diagram. Could you overlay it with a classic Hollywood film for comparison, like Braveheart or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted September 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2019 Let me break it all down for you...! Arpy, The Illustrious Jerry and Bayesian 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The diagram is spot-on, but it goes without saying that Lucas' original saga has an actual storyline with a clear beginning, middle and end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Publicist reads this thread? I miss-clicked it for the Netflix Dark Crystal thread, if you wanna know. But that post kept me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Even worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Nothing works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 How will Skywalker rise? What will he rise from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 It'll be the rise of the metaphorical 'Skywalker' like that little force-sensitive kid from the casino planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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