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Star Wars IX The Rise of Skywalker (JJ Abrams 2019)


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24 minutes ago, king mark said:

no but I don't think they have been as "safe" like everyone says . Well maybe TFA but in Rogue One  , Vader has his most violent scene of all the SW movies  and the entire cast of main characters dies so you don't see that often in movies

 

It's only slightly more violent compared to the earlier films. For contemporary audiences more accustomed to extreme violence in media, it wasn't that bad. It was similar to the scene in Revenge of the Sith where he murders a compound of defenseless guys.  However, they were aliens. In The Return of the Jedi, Luke hacked and slashed at all those guys in the Jabba scene, but it's made less violent due to editing and/or poor directing. Fucking scene looks terrible. All it would take is a little push, though and you'd have body parts falling into the sand vagina.

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Yes, and Rey will have further adventures. Can you imagine JW's reaction (now that he declared he doesn't want anybody else to "score her") while attending spotting session for IX: FFS will it ever end?

 

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2 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

You know, I've been thinking about something lately... We're all assuming that Episode IX will bring a conclusion to the sequel trilogy (and maybe even some sort of conclusion to the nine-films story)... But what if it ended on an open-ending, leaving the fans anxiously awaiting a fourth trilogy? No one would expect that, the whole Internet would go crazy! Fanboys would be ecstatic, saying stuff like: "The ending of Episode IX, by its unexpected cliffhanger nature, is absolutely brilliant! And the confirmation of a fourth trilogy is a superb gift to the fans!", haters would be like: "If you had any doubt Disney intends to milk the Star Wars cashcow until it is as dry as a camel's anus, then the Episode IX ending will surely convince you of that!". But most importantly, people would be talking non-stop about it, and Disney would love that!

 

OK, I'm calling it right now: the ending of Episode IX will be an open ending! The First Order will not be defeated, Luke, Leia and Han will be dead, Finn will be captured, Rey would have turned to the Dark Side, Kylo will marry Poe... Roll credits.

People everywhere: "WHAAAA??? OMG!"

BloodBoal: "Told you so, guys!"

 

Indeed, that would probably be a very smart move on Lucasfilm's part. 

 

But if it does happen I will be absolutely livid -- JW needs to have a satisfying conclusion to score in what could well be one of his final film scores ever! :(

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@BloodBoal They'll definitely bring closure to the series, then five years later bring back a new trilogy. I guess it's also a gamble on how successful the standalone films are that they might warrant sequels and prequels of their own! Rogue One prematurely killed everyone off before we could have a Cassian and K2SO spinoff!

 

Oh and what happened to the Bothans? 

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But wasn't Disney's making of this trilogy hanging on "George always wanted to make nine films"? They won't have that excuse (which, admittedly, was true before Return of the Jedi) going forward into more Episodes, and marketing-wise its important.

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I remember George saying during the release of Revenge of the Sith it was only meant to be the six films to tell the story of Anakin's fall to the dark side, when asked if more were to come. He seemed quite adamant that no more were to be made other than the Clone Wars adaptations.

 

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Yes, he abandoned his plan for nine episodes before making Return of the Jedi. His original idea was basically to stretch the original trilogy over six films, and break up the sextet with a prequel trilogy in the middle. He probably later realized how stupid this was.

 

But don't tell that to Kathleen Kennedy.

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3 hours ago, Arpy said:

@BloodBoal They'll definitely bring closure to the series, then five years later bring back a new trilogy. I guess it's also a gamble on how successful the standalone films are that they might warrant sequels and prequels of their own! Rogue One prematurely killed everyone off before we could have a Cassian and K2SO spinoff!

 

Oh and what happened to the Bothans? 

 

Bothans died for the second Death Star plans, so we can all look forward to Rogue Two

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3 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

Lucas went back-and-forth many, MANY times over the years. Saying first he envisioned the story as trilogy, then as three trilogies, then as two trilogies, then as one-and-a-half trilogy, then as four-and-a-quarter trilogy...

 

But anyway, even if his final words on the matter had been "I wanted to make nine films", do we really believe Disney will stop making Episode movies after Episode IX?

 

As they keep making those the possibility of me being a fan of SW just slips further a way... so far, I really like one film among eight.

 

There was a moment where I thought "maybe I'll really like three movies out of eight" but nope.

 

So now I see all those threads and I wonder what's all the party about. I'll find my own sagas. With casinos! And hookers!

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It's a mixture of nostalgia and iconicism. There'll be many people here who grew up with the films, and more fascinating is that some grew up with the original trilogy and others the prequel trilogy, two very distinct  and different eras of filmmaking unified under the umbrella of 'Star Wars'. I also think there's a fair argument to be made that the commodification of the franchise is becoming more transparent with Disney's takeover - it always was a force of nature with marketing, but maybe it's getting out of hand now? With age I'm also reticent to fawn over the franchise too.

 

There's a line I draw where I consider myself a 'Star Wars Fan' because I love the franchise and the Prequels hold some nostalgic place for me (no matter how scrambled a mess they are) but I'm not going to blindly love every film that follows just because it's Star Wars. 

 

 

 

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Heh, two things I'm following closely have movies in development hell.

 

I guess it depends on the possibilities of the franchise and such. You might think "ooh, I understand why, or I see why this would be cool" or you might just go "huh?"

 

Or you might feel weird and alone in your interest in something

 

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I guess it's a generational thing. I'm sure that there are a lot of (then) thirteen-year-olds who saw TFA, and thought "this is the best thing I've ever seen!". Who's to say that they won't be fans of episodes X-XV, to the day they die?

Personally, I agree with Blood: the more the SWU is expanded, the more it becomes watered-down and unimportant.

 

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14 minutes ago, Arpy said:

It's a mixture of nostalgia and iconicism. There'll be many people here who grew up with the films, and more fascinating is that some grew up with the original trilogy and others the prequel trilogy, two very distinct  and different eras of filmmaking unified under the umbrella of 'Star Wars'. I also think there's a fair argument to be made that the commodification of the franchise is becoming more transparent with Disney's takeover - it always was a force of nature with marketing, but maybe it's getting out of hand now? With age I'm also reticent to fawn over the franchise too.

 

Star Wars is as nostalgic as it is because it originaly aimed at a very young demographic. They were, essentialy, kids' films. They have moments of gravity or darkness, sure, but their tone is mostly dominated by "fun space adventures."

 

I only encountered them as an adult. They're just not as big a deal outside of the US, so I wasn't growing up in a scene of popular culture that was as informed (or saturated) with Star Wars.

 

Now, I enjoy grandeur of scale in films, so I'm not against long running franchise, but I think there is certainly a point where a series is drawn too thin. There is something to be said for a sense of finality in film.

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Ah, they're alright. They're alright...

Just now, Brónach said:

I had a lot of Harry Potter going on in my mind in book form but I lost interest. The other way around with Pirates.

Are there Pirates books?

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1 hour ago, Richard said:

As I get older, I find that STAR WARS becomes increasingly irrelevant. What once was fan-boy adoration, is now a grown-up mild fascination.

 

 

THIS

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42 minutes ago, crumbs said:

"Well, ultimately they're just children's films."

- George Lucas

 

Exactly.

 

The least children-oriented is "Empire Strikes Back", which is by far the least lucrative entry of the whole series.

 

This new trilogy is all PG-13 and the "The Force Awakens" does feel more dire than the original Star Wars, but I wouldn't say its truly dark in the way that "Revenge of the Sith" is.

 

Part of why that is so, has to do with the witty banter between characters. There's some sort of joke in every other line of dialogue and it does inject levity into the story. Its a bit much for me, but it is what it is.

 

I like my films serious and, by that token, dark. It puts the audience in a state that allows for more emotional involvement.

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I liked the first two, Dead Man's Chest was actually quite fun!

 

Everyone hates the fourth, but I was optimistic about On Stranger Tides because somewhere under that rubble of mess is a decent film, sadly it just wasn't meant to be...

13 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

 

They just keep getting worse and worse.

Just like the Jurassic Park franchise!

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3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

 

The fourth film actually has a lot going for it on paper (...), and I'd dare say the story itself is fine.

 

Well, it was adapted from a book, so...

 

It probably would have been better as a straight up adaptation without trying to shoehorn Jack in.

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