natedog 7 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Do we know if Williams is conducting any of the Force Awakens? If someone else is conducting, will that have a major effect on the outcome of the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,630 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 No and no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,779 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Yes and no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,630 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,915 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Do we know if Williams is conducting any of the Force Awakens? If someone else is conducting, will that have a major effect on the outcome of the score?Probably depends on his back. I doubt it will really make much difference. Loads of composers don't conduct their own scores nowadays anyway. I don't think JW conducted Jurassic Park and that turned out fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,630 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 JW didn't conduct all of Jurassic Park, but he did conduct part of it. Artie Kane stepped in after JW hurt his back.And since the tempo's are dictated by the film, and JW probably supervised the recording or gave precise instructions there is no way of hearing who did what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 2,065 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Tintin and KOTCs are great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,779 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Yes?The poster ask if John Williams is conducting any of the sessions, and it's been confirmed that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Do we have visual evidence, or was it just reported by someone who knows someone who knows someone...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,857 Posted July 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2015 I ain't conducting shit! - John T. WilliamsKarol Jamie Dutton, JWfangirl1992 and Mr_K 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,630 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Do we have visual evidence, or was it just reported by someone who knows someone who knows someone...?Do we have footage of JW actually conducting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,228 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Do we have any footage of JW even writing the score?I'm convinced Pope is tied up in Williams' basement at gunpoint, being forced to write the entire score in secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,163 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 'Please, John, Howard and I are...we're only friends. Nothing more, I swear!' crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,857 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Does it matter? We won't hear any difference anyway.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,228 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 'Please, John, Howard and I are...we're only friends. Nothing more, I swear!'"Shut up and pick up the goddamn pencil, I want a f***ing theme for Captain Phasma!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 299 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I'm really hoping for an amazing score that is original but feels more in the vein of the OT.Fingers crossed this will be something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 629 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I hope we get some real news in regards to the score soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,359 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I'm really hoping for an amazing score that is original but feels more in the vein of the OT.Fingers crossed this will be something special.A John Williams Star Wars score is always something special. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,926 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Do we know if Williams is conducting any of the Force Awakens? <snip>Do we have visual evidence, or was it just reported by someone who knows someone who knows someone...?Relating to the first trailer, yes, yes, and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,359 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 This IS Star Wars we're talking about. I'd find it incredibly hard to believe that Williams would go through the entire recording process without conducting a single bit of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,199 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 It's my understanding that John Williams is the primary conductor, but when his back hurts him others step in to do the actual baton waving for the cue. However, he's right there doing all the little adjustments and talking to the orchestra, etc that are the important parts of conducting anyway. Don't forget, the tempo is locked to the picture. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Tempo isn't always locked to the picture though. Sometimes they'll have a click, but sometimes it's done freely. In those cases, the skill of the conductor with rubato does matter, because you have to be able to push forward or pull back in a musical way that still keeps certain sync points where they need to be. Ross is certainly capable of doing this well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,199 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Interesting.Still, I'm not convinced that there'll be any noticeable difference in this particular score if Williams conducted every note himself, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,630 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I agreeWe have no idea who conducted what for JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 No, it's not something that makes a difference to your average listener, or even to a listener who knows what to look for unless they're actively examining the performance. There is something to be said about every conductor bringing their own unique "spirit" to the music though, especially in the case of film where timing may be far less the concern of the conductor than emotional coherence is. Everyone is going to interpret "10% more bittersweet" a bit differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,199 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I think it would be different if the schedule was tighter, or if Williams wasn't there during the other conductor's conducting. This isn't a case like Hobbit 2 and 3 where the composer was literally on another continent while the conductor handled all the podium changes. Williams is still handing all that and everything else as he always would, just not the baton waving once the recording light goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace 8 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Thought i heard some rumor William Ross is involved? Don't quote me on it though... sounds plausible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,630 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Rumors?It was reported verbatim not that long ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Yep.The score is being orchestrated by Conrad Pope and conducted by William Ross.And supposedly, it is written by John Williams, but don't quote me on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,199 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Thought i heard some rumor William Ross is involved? Don't quote me on it though... sounds plausibleRight herehttp://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25396&page=4entry1135313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,848 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Yep.The score is being orchestrated by Conrad Pope and conducted by William Ross.And supposedly, it is written by John Williams, but don't quote me on that.Yeap the take over is being orchestrated by Conrad Pope and conducted by William Ross. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,630 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 And Gia is picking up some of the slack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,297 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 *click*My back! I can't move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 You think you're better than me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,297 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Call an ambulance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_K 6 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 William Ross did a fine job with HP&CoS. I'm sure JW, although unable to physically conduct himself, is in the control room for every cue with pencil and notebook in hand to correct, mold, and adjust every note that the orchestra is playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 967 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Honestly, I don't care if he's conducting or not, I just want him in that control booth. Based on various featurettes and reports over the years, it's clear that Williams is the type of composer to alter things or notice orchestral errors in real time. I would want him there just to ensure nothing gets through that shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,779 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 With all of this news on John Williams' cancellations and Bob Iger's statement that he'd seen a cut of the movie was "without most of its music" I wonder if we'll still get a full score for TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,359 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 With all of this news on John Williams' cancellations and Bob Iger's statement that he'd seen a cut of the movie was "without most of its music" I wonder if we'll still get a full score for TFA.Like Jay said, we have no way of knowing when he saw that cut. Could have been quite some time ago. I am 100% sure we'll be getting a full score for TFA. Back problems don't inhibit the writing of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,779 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 this is getting scarier than the health issues thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 5,333 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 He would have canceled the Philly concert if he thought he would be out of action that long. There is a chance he is not doing well; there is an even greater chance that we are blowing this out of proportion. Cerebral Cortex and TownerFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 629 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Does "without its music" imply that the music hasn't been written or recorded? I think we're reading too much into it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,359 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Does "without its music" imply that the music hasn't been written or recorded? I think we're reading too much into it...Oh, without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,630 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 He would have canceled the Philly concert if he thought he would be out of action that long. Based on what logic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Does "without its music" imply that the music hasn't been written or recorded?I think it means the score was rejected. Cerebral Cortex and Bespin Copilot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 5,554 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I wouldn't make any assumptions about the state of the score based on Iger's comments. The film is in the middle of post-production, hence lots of elements are still missing. Also, Abrams' preferred method of workflow is post-producing the film in chunks. The score is being recorded that way too, so at the moment it's likely the film has more or less a few completed scenes with score already mixed in, while others are still a long way to go. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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