aviazn 273 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 NPR ran a story this week on the Mission Impossible scores over the years, and tucked away in it was this throwaway anecdote:Schifrin's main theme heralded the show for all seven seasons. When director Brian De Palma took the Impossible Missions Force to the big screen 30 years after the TV show's premiere, he wanted to bring the theme along with him. That led to a creative conflict with composer John Williams, who wanted to work with a new theme of his own. So De Palma turned to Danny Elfman, who treated Schifrin's classic tune like an old friend.http://www.npr.org/2015/07/30/427731324/four-composers-one-nearly-impossible-mission-to-reinvent-a-classic-themeI guess I'm ignorant, but this was news to me. Silvestri had a score rejected on that one, no? Was Johnny really supposed to score this before him, or is perhaps the reporter (or their sources) confused? Was anything ever written? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Highly improbable. Silvestri/Williams mix-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 They're basically the same composer anyway. Also from the thread title, it looked like it said "Williams was attacked" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yeah, very improbable.Interestingly, back in the mid 60s, the production company Desilu had several pilots to choose from as their next big betting. The one they eventually chose was MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, and a good choice it was. But another pilot on the table was NIGHTWATCH, the Robert Altman pilot with a score by John Williams. That one was never picked up (but the pilot score amazingly got a soundtrack release on FSM a few years back). That's about the only connection between John Williams and M:I that I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Williams did score the theme from Zelda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 That's why it's so awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Well, Williams himself said in an interview it was the one he was the most proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I thought the original story was that DePalma didn't want to use Lalo's theme when Silvestri was doing the score, but changed his mind along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'll ask Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Pity. I loved John Williams' Predator. He would have done a great job on this.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Awww I was hoping that the reporter had stumbled onto a gem here. Didn't even see that the byline was our own Maestro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 31, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2015 Tim replied on Facebook:according to film editor Paul Hirsch, Williams was interested in / in talks to score De Palma's M:I, but only if he could use his own new theme. Cerebral Cortex, Muad'Dib, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 John Williams takes no prisoners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Tim replied on Facebook:according to film editor Paul Hirsch, Williams was interested in / in talks to score De Palma's M:I, but only if he could use his own new theme.Thanks a lot for getting to the bottom of this. That's really interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It makes me wonder how many projects there are that Williams wanted to work on but couldn't for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It's too bad he didn't score every film in history. Jurassic Shark and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Yeah, huge missed opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Wow! How come we had no idea of this? Too bad, could have been great.Johnny should have used the theme though, but I guess at that point in his carreer he wasn't going to do someone else's themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Considering how well Williams and De Palma did on The Fury, it's a pity they never collaborated again on further projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It's a pity DePalma hasn't made a great movie since The Bonfire of the Vanities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 You must be joking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Sorry sorry. Snake Eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Sigh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Plenty of great De Palma films since BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES, including last year's gorgeous PASSION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Carlito's Way is the last one I really enjoyed. He's hit and miss. Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,244 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The thing is, most of De Palma's movies during the '70s and '80s were great, while the last 20 years have been.... so-so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Femme Fatale is clearly underappreciated here! His last best movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Femme Fatale is clearly underappreciated here! His last best movie.That's a fine one too -- very underrated. But as I said, PASSION was great. Got a lot of good reviews (thank God!), but as usual with De Palma, also some bad ones. People either seem to "get" him or they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,244 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I agree on Femme Fatale. I have yet to see Passion, thanks for the reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I haven't seen it either but it got wildly inconsistent reviews. Roger Ebert's site reviewer gave it 4 stars, but the overall on opinion was largely negative.I'll try any De Palma once. I added it to my Netflix queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Its a good scream! Its a good scream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Thor, your memory is weird. Passion came out in 2012!And both it and Femme Fatale are fucking awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I actually think it didn't receive a general release till 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 He was also supposed to score The Iron Giant apparently, but I don't know why he didn't in the end. Probably schedule or money issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 He was also supposed to score The Iron Giant apparently, but I don't know why he didn't in the end. Probably schedule or money issues.That's a shame. It would have been much more interesting than either of his other 1998 scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 But then we wouldn't have got Kamen's wonderful little effort. Its closing cue is one of my favourites of its type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I agree. Kamen really knocked this out of the park. And I wouldn't trade it for the chance of a Williams composition. Especially considering he was going through a bit of a creative dry spell at the time.IMO ofcourse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Thor, your memory is weird. Passion came out in 2012!And both it and Femme Fatale are fucking awesome!Ah, was it 2012? It premiered in Norway last year, I think (or it could be 2013). But yeah, I'm terrible at remembering years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 It premiered in Norway in the second half of 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Thanks for the info. June 19, 2013, I see on IMDB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Considering how well Williams and De Palma did on The Fury, it's a pity they never collaborated again on further projects.Indeed.Carlito's Way is the last one I really enjoyed. He's hit and miss.Femme Fatale is clearly underappreciated here! His last best movie.Two of his best.De Palma is hit and miss to an extent. But, at least for me, when he hits, it's a truly great film, and if he misses, there's usually at least something (often a lot) to admire. There's a technical skill to his style that can be good enough to emotionally involve me, even if the film as a whole cannot manage that.Bonfire of the Vanities is one of the few that hardly achive that.I actually think it didn't receive a general release till 2013.Passion's release was pretty low-key. I'd been waiting for it for years and don't even know if it received a general release here. I still haven't seen it - I'll have to import the Blu-ray at some point.De Palma's Blu-ray catalogue is a sad affair as far as I'm concerned. Plenty (or perhaps even all) of his early classics have been released by now, but where's Casualties of War (announced but apparently never released), a decent transfer of Mission Impossible (from what I read, the current one sucks), and where are Raising Cain, Snake Eyes, Mission to Mars and Femme Fatale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Dressed To Kill is getting the Criterion treatment in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Tim replied on Facebook:according to film editor Paul Hirsch, Williams was interested in / in talks to score De Palma's M:I, but only if he could use his own new theme.But then... was Williams DePalma's second choice, after he rejected silvestri's score because he wanted the TV theme in there?.Williams as second dish meal...outrageous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yea...... did it go Williams -> Silvestri -> Elfman, or Silvestri -> Williams -> Elfman?Or is Mr. Grieving misinformed, and it only went Silvestri -> Elfman, with no Williams involvement?Well, it sounds like Williams never wrote a thing for it anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Curiously enough the Iron Giant situation went similarly, apparently. First they wanted Williams, then they went to Silvestri and finally with Kamen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Or is Mr. Grieving misinformed, and it only went Silvestri -> Elfman, with no Williams involvement?My educated guess is this. It doesn't sound like Williams to set weird terms like that. But I do wonder why De Palma never went with....you know, Lalo Schifrin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Shifrin? For a big budget Hollywood film? That's not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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