Ricard 2,242 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (Also issued for Promo with a Complimentary Single, Arista, AL 9500/AS 950)Again, it was not just a promo, but a commercial release in most countries.Well, I specified US disco only.I see. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 My copy shipped yesterday... now a month or so to reach my hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Anyone get this yet? I figured it would be kind of a big deal, but I guess this is a pointless release of a mediocre score for a forgotten film made by some guy in the dark ages? All hail A.I. and Prisoner of Azkaban!I was going to order it, but the last of my money went to my Disneyland Annual Pass. So next month, unless someone claims they destroyed the soundscape with the remaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Mine's still in the post. Neil said on Facebook that it sounds great. I'll hear it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,283 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 I didn't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Just received it. My numbered edition is 1414. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 My order is also in transit.Just received it. My numbered edition is 1414.Drax, Let us know how is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I listened to the SACD, then my old Arista CD to compare. The differences are subtle. The SACD feels wider and more airy. But a bit brighter too. Clarity of detail is about equal on both. I couldn't detect a difference in that area. The SACD handles the highs when the choirs soar a lot better. Resolution and End Title sounded disappointingly flat compared to the old CD.I think if you own either the old Arista or the Varese, you have a keeper. This is not an essential purchase if you're satisfied with those. Incanus and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,476 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I listened to the SACD, then my old Arista CD to compare. The differences are subtle. The SACD feels wider and more airy. But a bit brighter too. Clarity of detail is about equal on both. I couldn't detect a difference in that area. The SACD handles the highs when the choirs soar a lot better. Resolution and End Title sounded disappointingly flat compared to the old CD.I think if you own either the old Arista or the Varese, you have a keeper. This is not an essential purchase if you're satisfied with those.Thanks for the review.It's often subtle when a 80's-90's CD is remastered. There is always a better definition, but sometimes due to less "in your face" equalizing, people sometimes complaint that the sound seems more "flat". But in fact, it's maybe just more "natural".Obvisouly, the difference is greater when they do a brand new HD transfer from the tapes.Do we have this technical info about the release?Anyway, I ordered the CD, because I didn't have any of the original ones.If I had the 88 CD, I would post the pics of the WAV before/after (maybe of the Resolution/End Titles), the difference is maybe "visible" too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 My copy is in my country already, waiting for clearance from the customs service...Drax, if you have the 2004 DVD-A, can you tell if the SACD is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I don't have the DVD-A, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 No worries...When you said it doesn't sound THAT different from the older CD versions, I figured it would be the same about the DVD-A, which to this day, I think I wasted my money buying it 9 years ago.The one thing that really made me buy the SACD is the "Mastered by Steve Hoffman" deal. But I suppose he can't turn water into wine... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,283 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Here's the deal: The new reissue was licensed from UME only, being the best possible material he could have been given was the album master they store.What you'd need to really improve the sound is a situation like the specialty labels do, where they work with both UME and Universal the studio, to get access to the original recording session elements that they store. They you can rebuild the OST from fresh digital transfers of the original session tapes.Otherwise, there's only so much you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I should add that the SACD handles the [French?] horns a bit better. On the CD, they sound like they're hitting a ceiling when they peak in loudness, but that sounds like it's more smoothed over on the SACD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I didn't buy it.You bought a redundant Home Alone but not this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,476 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Here's the deal: The new reissue was licensed from UME only, being the best possible material he could have been given was the album master they store.What you'd need to really improve the sound is a situation like the specialty labels do, where they work with both UME and Universal the studio, to get access to the original recording session elements that they store. They you can rebuild the OST from fresh digital transfers of the original session tapes.Otherwise, there's only so much you can do.Just new HD transfers from the Masters can do a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,283 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Yes but the album master is already several analog generations away from the original recording. When you go back to the original recording sessions, you ignore all the analog transfers done in the 70s-whenever and get a fresh digital transfer of the original recordings. It's always ideal to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 What you'd need to really improve the sound is a situation like the specialty labels do, where they work with both UME and Universal the studio, to get access to the original recording session elements that they store. They you can rebuild the OST from fresh digital transfers of the original session tapes.This is all subjective. To me, none of these remasters or reconstructions *improve* the sound of the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I know that there isn't much one can do with a limited source. But the thing is that I have 2 vinyl copies from CE3K, one in mint condition and the other in not so great shape, but still a decent play anyway. Out of my modest JW vinyl collection, CE3K sounds the worst! When I got my 1990 Varèse CD, I couldn't believe that a CD that supposedly used the same album master could sound SO MUCH better. That's the only time I had to hand it to a CD based on the same master. Based on that, I was a little hopeful that the 2004 DVD-A could sound better, even if it was based on the very same master. It didn't. So came the SACD with Steve Hoffman sitting behind the desk this time. And my hopes were kind of high again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,476 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Yes but the album master is already several analog generations away from the original recording. When you go back to the original recording sessions, you ignore all the analog transfers done in the 70s-whenever and get a fresh digital transfer of the original recordings. It's always ideal to do that.But remastering (or reconstructing) from the original multitracks tapes may introduce some errors like the use of wrong takes, that's always the risk! It requires a lot more experience, time and money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I heard that the clunky analog edits were "fixed"? Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It sure sounded that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Hoffman's SACD remaster of the Star Wars LP will be glorious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,495 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Did Steve Hoffman remix this SACD, or did he just remaster it? If the latter, does anyone know who remixed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 On 03/12/2015 at 9:07 PM, Evil-Lyn said: I liked Jadzia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 On 20/08/2017 at 9:05 PM, Richard said: Did Steve Hoffman remix this SACD, or did he just remaster it? If the latter, does anyone know who remixed it? I believe it was just remastered for an SACD Stereo presentation. If it was to be remixed then it would have been easier to do a Multi-channel (5.1) mix using the original master tapes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 It's a decent sounding SACD. But if you already have the old Arista CD, it's not a necessity. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Do you have an SACD player, Drax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Yep. It plays DVD-As too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 So does mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I just sold my player today! Only have E.T. on SACD and A.I. / LOTR CC / CE3K on DVD Audio. Never even played them. Also have Great Train Robbery, Timeline and Kunzel's Great Film Fantasies on SACD/CD hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I have the LOTR CC on DVD-A. Star Trek Nemesis, CE3K and Seranada Schizophrana on SACD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 We could be SACD buddies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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