Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 That's the thing though, KOTM had an effective narrative. It knew what it needed to be, unlike Edwards' pretentious indie flick disguised as a kaiju movie. gkgyver, TSMefford and Niktob 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Many people aren't content with a movie unless it actively destroys conventions that people look forward to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 Ah right, A Rian Johnson Whodunnit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 hours ago, gkgyver said: Every time someone complains about a lack of "strong narrative" in Godzilla, I want to stomp out a kitten. Yeah, I guess it's too unreasonable to expect a multi-million dollar film to have some cohesive, intelligent narrative. I used to joke that Godzilla films, which are somewhat schlocky to begin with, shouldn't need a strong narrative core, nor should we take it too seriously. However, I think that's bullshit - you should begin with a strong narrative centre from which to tell your story, that gives characters, monsters etc. some weight. After seeing King of Monsters I felt nothing whatsoever, least of all for the main attraction to these films: the freakin' monsters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Arpy said: Yeah, I guess it's too unreasonable to expect a multi-million dollar film to have some cohesive, intelligent narrative. I used to joke that Godzilla films, which are somewhat schlocky to begin with, shouldn't need a strong narrative core, nor should we take it too seriously. However, I think that's bullshit - you should begin with a strong narrative centre from which to tell your story, that gives characters, monsters etc. some weight. After seeing King of Monsters I felt nothing whatsoever, least of all for the main attraction to these films: the freakin' monsters! What was KOTM lacking exactly? I mean at least three characters (Serizawa, Mothra, Emma) sacrifice their lives to save Godzilla and ensure he prevails. Evidently the power of belief is strong in this movie and the stakes are that high. Maybe you didn't feel it, but the narrative and characters are as strong as they need to be. Niktob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I have a copy of it taped. I might watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I think why I prefer the 2014 film is that it presented both a human narrative and kept the monsters at a distance, making Godzilla akin to Jaws, this surmounting threat that was built up. The story was kept simple and I loved the father/son/family dynamic and the whole military thing. I've never been a fan of Godzilla films, so I've never been invested in it, maybe that's why KotM seems so silly? Ridiculous? Heavy-handed? The 1998 Godzilla was schlock, but at least it was semi-compelling and Godzilla was scary to my five year old self! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 24 minutes ago, Arpy said: I think why I prefer the 2014 film is that it presented both a human narrative and kept the monsters at a distance, making Godzilla akin to Jaws, this surmounting threat that was built up. The story was kept simple and I loved the father/son/family dynamic and the whole military thing. I've never been a fan of Godzilla films, so I've never been invested in it, maybe that's why KotM seems so silly? Ridiculous? Heavy-handed? The 1998 Godzilla was schlock, but at least it was semi-compelling and Godzilla was scary to my five year old self! Yeah, KOTM is tailor-made for fans who revere Godzilla as an eminent heroic figure with a deep mythological background – even the end of the film is a coronation that lives up to its subtitle. The 2014 film's kitchen sink family drama with a Jaws-like backdrop (hell Godzilla was the hero in that too, so I don't know what the issue is) was more of an annoyance to fans who wanted the monsters to take more centre stage. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 That was the worst part of the 2014 film - the god awful hokey news broadcast on the giant stadium screen hailing Godzilla a hero. Urgh cheese was dripping out of the cinema screen and drowning the audience. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 Well he saved the world from the MUTOs. What else did you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 Tweeted by Michael Dougherty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 On 4/24/2020 at 12:47 PM, gkgyver said: Every time someone complains about a lack of "strong narrative" in Godzilla, I want to stomp out a kitten. What fans of the Godzilla series love (such as myself) about them and a strong narrative are not mutually exclusive. Honestly, if they were gonna reboot Godzilla again in 2014, why not add something to it. Personally, I got bits of both in 2014 and in King of the Monsters. I also got both in Shin Godzilla. You can do both. I only complain about it because I wanted something different from the start of this Reboot series. If you're gonna do a reboot, make it different. It's different enough for me, while also keeping things I like. On 4/25/2020 at 12:34 AM, Þekþiþm said: Well he saved the world from the MUTOs. What else did you expect? The pessimism of the real world media, where they paint everyone as a villain given the opportunity. A more realistic headline would've been "Godzilla Defeats MUTOS; At What Cost?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 Fan-made of course, but I would so watch this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Don't tell @Þekþiþm! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 You're a bit behind, it's now back at November 17 https://old.reddit.com/r/GODZILLA/comments/gr0e56/godzilla_vs_kong_art_book_is_now_listed_at_nov_17/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 They've been shifting dates around so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 They get so technical with these ratings nowadays. Creature violence/destruction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Brief language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 Someone probably says the one "fuck" allowed like they did in KSI and KOTM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 The trailer should've been released by now, and the same for Dune. I believe WB will decide first if these two movies will come out in 2020 or 2021 (Tenet may go to August and Wonder Woman 1984 may go to December) before they start the marketing campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Þekþiþm said: Someone probably says the one "fuck" allowed like they did in KSI and KOTM. They said fuck and a shitload of other curse words in Spaceballs and it was rated PG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 He had the iceberg warning in his fuckin' hands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 123 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Do we have any idea who's scoring this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 No news on that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It'll just be Henry Jackman or Bear McCreary again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 The latter would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Desplat would be better still. Karol TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 I doubt he'd be interested anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I'd love if they call Christopher Young on that. Otherwise, Bear is a fine composer, it will be great if they ask him back. Just, please, no Henry Jackman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Leave Desplat out of this. I don't need a Godzilla composer who replaces beloved Godzilla idioms with French "sensibilities". Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 I've always wanted to join the French Foreign Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Whoever they call will just get replaced by Lorne Balfe anyway. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 He doesn't even need an orchestra anyway. And in these dangerous covidian times, orchestral gatherings are too dangerous to public health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Track in remastered music from Ifukube and it'll be guaranteed better than any of the above gentlemen would ever write. Niktob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 8:10 PM, Edmilson said: Whoever they call will just get replaced by Lorne Balfe anyway. You were close........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 Oh my fucking god no DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 After KOTM and its reverential approach to the classic material, this is highly, highly disappointing. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Fuck me. No wait. Fuck them. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 My pet theory is WB/Legendary want to distance the franchise from key personnel involved with KOTM due to its disappointing financial returns. Now they're eagerly scrambling for more utilitarian people like Junkie XL with "proven branding". Much like what's happened with No Time To Die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Orrrrrrr Adam Wingard didn't like the idea of anyone who wasn't a synth guy doing the score, and just went with one of the currently available safer bets for blockbusters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 In other words, he's a dumbass. Safe bet for what? Exceedingly mediocre noise? Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Holkenborg's scores became decent after he started collaborating with Conrad Pope. Alita and Sonic are okay-ish. But if it was up to me, I'd choose Chris Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Nobody should either care or strive for okay-ish. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 hours ago, HunterTech said: Orrrrrrr Adam Wingard didn't like the idea of anyone who wasn't a synth guy doing the score, and just went with one of the currently available safer bets for blockbusters. 4 hours ago, gkgyver said: In other words, he's a dumbass. Safe bet for what? Exceedingly mediocre noise? There was something about this Wingard bloke I didn't like from the getgo. Can't explain why, just a gut feeling. As if Dougherty treated KOTM as his calling, but to Wingard GvK is just another job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManofDestiny 71 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Very disappoint. The score of Godzilla KOTM is one of the very best score, in Godzilla and movie history. Tom Holkenborg is a fine composer, I like his work in Mad Max and T6. But the style is just not fit Godzilla movie. Anyway, we will see. I hope I am wrong. Niktob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 36 minutes ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said: There was something about this Wingard bloke I didn't like from the getgo. Can't explain why, just a gut feeling. As if Dougherty treated KOTM as his calling, but to Wingard GvK is just another job. Wingard directed the abomination that was the Netflix Death Note movie. I just hope GvK won't be as bad as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Never heard of Winegard until he got the directing gig. Looks like a few films got their dates pushed back besides this one. WW84 got pushed back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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