King Mark 3,619 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I don't think that music would work "developed" - it's not much more than a cadence, and the sparse, distant presentation is what makes it so effective. "Sweeping" wouldn't be right for it. That moment itself doesn't strike me as an outright theme, but that tone as a whole could be explored very deeply.I think he went with the same idea of a more mysterious Sith theme at the end of Be Careful of your Friend (I find that music incredibly menacing and ominous) and the end of Palpatine's Seduction with another new choir motifIt's like Williams wrote a more primordial Sith motif and views it more like an ancient religionWilliams on auto pilot, just like most of that score!no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I don't think that music would work "developed" - it's not much more than a cadence, and the sparse, distant presentation is what makes it so effective. "Sweeping" wouldn't be right for it. That moment itself doesn't strike me as an outright theme, but that tone as a whole could be explored very deeply.It's like Williams wrote a more primordial Sith motif and views it more like an ancient religionThat's exactly what it feels like to me. It's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Anybody got a timestamp for this Sith music? I can't say I've noticed it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 532 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Are you guys talking about ROTS Palpatine's Teachings 1:36? I've never noticed how good that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,940 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 No that bit is not on the album. Williams employa a chamber string ensemble to create this ancient sound.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Fuk he's an old snob. He thinks his really good bits of music are too good to be released to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yes. For every release JW first goes meticulously though every single piece, removing bits of music that are of too high quality to be heard by the public! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Sure as heck seems that way. It's the only way to explain why so many good bits are left off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 We are unworthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Then we shall become worthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Anybody got a timestamp for this Sith music? I can't say I've noticed it before. There's something about the whole scene, but it's the brief passage for violas/celli at 40:29 that I think we're all focusing on. That's one of those really poetic moments that tease what the prequels could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Isn't there some humming too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 In the score there's a synth doubling the violas marked "liturgico," so probably a choral patch or something, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,940 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 It's here at around 0:20: It's probably one decently acted/written scene in an entire trilogy. Now that I see it almost a decade after.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 213 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Definitely one of the greatest moments of the trilogy. If only the rest of it lived up to the potential of that sequence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,940 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 One other good scene was when Obi-Wan asks Anakin to spy on Palpatine. It almost feels as if Lucas had a dramatic situation in his script.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yeah, come on. There are a lot of good scenes in Revenge of the Sith, most of them involving McDiarmid. Another stellar moment with awesome Williams underscore is when Palpatine tells Anakin he's going to be on the Jedi Council. They're walking towards the camera and become dark silhouettes, then Palpatine says, "They need you. More than you know." Williams delivers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 213 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The "Padme's Ruminations" sequence before Anakin decides to run to Palpatine and protect him is also very well done. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,940 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 In its defence, Revenge of the Sith could almost work. It has a lot of good ingredients in place.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 213 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My biggest problems with it come down to 3 things:1. Grievous' characterization, I realize he was a throwaway to get Anakin and Obi-Wan apart, but he was built up so well in the animated series that preceded the film. He had the potential to be a truly menacing character, and he really had the design to seem threatening. There was some lost potential there.2. The speed with which Anakin gives himself to Palpatine.3. Padme's cop out reason for dying. Her character has always been portrayed as strong and independent, so this was out of character for her.Everything else I liked very much. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 910 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My biggest problems with it come down to 3 things:1. Grievous' characterization, I realize he was a throwaway to get Anakin and Obi-Wan apart, but he was built up so well in the animated series that preceded the film. He had the potential to be a truly menacing character, and he really had the design to seem threatening. There was some lost potential there.2. The speed with which Anakin gives himself to Palpatine.3. Padme's cop out reason for dying. Her character has always been portrayed as strong and independent, so this was out of character for her.Everything else I liked very much.1 - That's the price Lucasfilm pays for designing a throwaway villain then deciding they want to develop him better. He could have been the Prequels' answer to Darth Vader but there was a lot of opportunity wasted with him. He's supposed to have been this all-powerful Jedi killer but he kind of looked like a joke in Episode III. I heard a crack theory about Max von Sydow playing Grievous, and I'd have to admit as crazy and unlikely as it sounds (the concepts we've seen clearly show a more humanoid figure) it'd give the writers a chance to develop Grievous in a different way.2 - I can agree. I always imagined Anakin's transformation to be a lot slower, both mentally and physically. Not just "Give yourself to the dark side." "OK".3 - Again, agree. This even conflicts with what Leia said in Episode VI about remembering her mother. I assumed prior to Episode III that Padme would be one of the characters instrumental in starting the Rebellion and would survive to see Leia as a toddler, even if she had to give up Luke to the Larses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,083 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Wow, totally agree with your points 2 and 3 GK!Padme as one of the founders of the rebellion is a great idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 213 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Agreed! Really that's the way it should have been, and I wonder if that was the intention at some point. As you said, it contradicts what Leia said in Jedi. Padme certainly could have lived, and perhaps died early in the Rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Well there were the ROTS Deleted scenes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Agreed! Really that's the way it should have been, and I wonder if that was the intention at some point. As you said, it contradicts what Leia said in Jedi. Padme certainly could have lived, and perhaps died early in the Rebellion.Lucas didn't really care about the original films, unfortunately. Padme dying didn't make sense, neither did Obi-Wan knowing Artoo. The original Star Wars clearly establishes that they didn't know each other, regardless of the cutesy retconning in the prequels. I mean, Jesus, Uncle Owen didn't even know Anakin. This makes no sense. Don't even get me started on how ludicrous it is that they transform Anakin/Vader into a monster with a cape. We know he had to eventually end up in the suit, but it makes zero sense in the context of Revenge of the Sith. Just think, if the original Star Wars didn't exist and we were watching the prequels in order, I'd like to think that everyone would have a serious problem with a bunch of robots attaching a cape to Vader while they're trying to save his life. The fucker should have been soaked in the bacta stuff like Luke in Empire, then received artificial limbs. Instead, they transform him into a monster. Huh? I'm drunk, but you know I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,940 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 One of the most frustrating things about prequels is that they had three potentially cool villains in each film. First it was cool looking Maul which turned out to be a non-character in the end. Then Christopher Lee himself (how awesome was that?) was wasted. And then this cyborg thing. I do get that each one of those characters was supposed to foreshadow some aspect of Vader (his rage, charisma and half-machine aspects, respectively) but I wish there was more meat to that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,083 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Agreed. The films would have been better if there was single bad Jedi, along with Palpatine, in all three of them. Or if they just did more with Dooku, and had no Grievous at all. Maybe Grievous is a cyborg Maul instead or something (if they did his "death" differently). I dunno. Drinking has begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 They should have just had Obi-Wan pursue Dooku instead of even introducing Grievous. Maybe have Dooku ally with the Jedi when he realizes he's just a pawn and how screwed up everything has gotten. Then, Anakin can kill him, before fighting Obi-Wan. Having him die right at the beginning was pretty stupid. Not Mr. Big and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 In its defence, Revenge of the Sith could almost work. It has a lot of good ingredients in place.KarolRotS would be a good two-part TV movie. But as a movie per se, it's miserable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,619 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Yeah, come on. There are a lot of good scenes in Revenge of the Sith, most of them involving McDiarmid. Unfortunately he has one of the worst scenes too, the whole I am the Senate and confrontation with Mace Windu sequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 That's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Yeah, come on. There are a lot of good scenes in Revenge of the Sith, most of them involving McDiarmid. Unfortunately he has one of the worst scenes too, the whole I am the Senate and confrontation with Mace Windu sequenceSamuel L. Jackson's line delivery in that scene is truly terrible, even by prequel standards. "The o-PRESSION of the Sith has ended. YOU, have lost!" "He is the Traitor aaaaah""Don't listen to him Anakin aaahhh” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Jackson is one thing but Palpatine is spot on. It's not McDiarmid acting badly, it's Palpatine acting badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Blame Lucas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Samuel L. Jackson was generally very bad. Some of his lines are good, like when he tells off Anakin or when he's like a sullen asshole (which just seems to work for him), but otherwise he's monotone and awful. One of the very worst scenes is when Anakin tells him Palpatine is a Sith and it's like no one involved is even trying."I think Palpatine is a Sith Lord." (umm...you know he is in fact the Sith Lord--was this a mistake in the script?)"A Sith. Lord?""Yes.""We must move quickly."*extremely slow walk*??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Some of it feels like Babylon 5 or bad episodes of Enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 "I think Palpatine is a Sith Lord." (umm...you know he is in fact the Sith Lord--was this a mistake in the script?)"A Sith. Lord?""Yes.""We must move quickly."*extremely slow walk* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I still don't get how the scene of him yelling at Palpatine turned out so awful when Samuel L. Jackson is a ******* notable screamer. Many of his most iconic moments are yelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 They should have put a "Motherfucker"' somewhere in that scene.Actually, they should have put more than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 It would have to be a Star Wars version, like "Bantha poodoo". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 For the ardent Star Wars fan who cant wait till next december before finally seeing how Leia got on.The QI series L Christmas Special had Carrie Fisher as a guest panelist.http://youtu.be/rbW7E7oLNBkShe does rather well endulging Stephen Fry's and Jimmy Carr's geekiness and despite looking quite old, still has some radiance.Quite a funny lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 She has mushmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Botox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,619 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 she doesn;t look terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I never heard about the Five Priestesses before....interresting!http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Priestesseshttp://www.starwars.com/databank/force-planetI wonder if the movie will go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,613 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Bespin - I'd recommend watching The Clone Wars (especially seasons 3-6, but there's some good stuff mixed into the first half too). It's a lot of fun, and FEELs a lot more "Star Wars"y than the prequels (without leaning heavy on allusions to the OT like Star Wars Rebels has been).The Priestesses are from the last arc of the last season. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Interesting. I hope this simply means the toymakers are just staying committed to the face of the franchise. http://www.toplessrobot.com/2015/01/leaked_star_wars_the_force_awakens_toys_list_may_s.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,613 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I wouldn't worry too much about it - I think Episode VII packaging will be their entire line for 2015 product, and that will just be a nice repack that kids will want and will make some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,083 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Three cast members of Gareth Evans’ The Raid and The Raid 2 will appear in the upcoming Star Wars: The Force Awakens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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