mrbellamy 6,286 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, E.T. and Elliot said: Who watches/listens to the end credits, anyway? The movie's over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I'd check the rest of the film too. They might have replaced key music cues with the trailer music. DarthDementous and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 From the tiny bits I saw, as I didn't watch the whole film, everything else seemed in order, but the music seemed even quieter than I remembered. I am just hoping that was due to the nefarious source of the file, as I was hoping for a better mix of the music than what was heard in the theater, but it seems even worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 You mean they didn't completely eliminate that background elevator music? We need Hans Zimmer and Junkie to rescore it with proper music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I really don't understand why J.J. allowed it to be mixed so low in the first place if he was such a fan of JW. If what I saw was representative of the final blu-ray which it may not be, then I am truly saddened as the music was downright inaudible at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: From the tiny bits I saw, as I didn't watch the whole film, everything else seemed in order, but the music seemed even quieter than I remembered. I am just hoping that was due to the nefarious source of the file, as I was hoping for a better mix of the music than what was heard in the theater, but it seems even worse... You've gotta crank up the sound effects. Casual audiences don't give a crap about music. they want to hear epic sound effects that go whoosh from the back to the front and sick bass-drops. If they wanted to listen to music, they'd go to a concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 If Williams read memos, his music would be better treated. Fortunately, his position is more ceremonial than musical. And with TFA gone, my hope is that he'll either transfer, retire, or die. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Films are usually mixed slightly different for BluRay than what you hear in cinemas, due to all the different sound formats. Hopefully you heard a 2.0 stereo mix and the 7.1 mix is better musically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Films are usually mixed slightly different for BluRay than what you hear in cinemas, due to all the different sound formats. Hopefully you heard a 2.0 stereo mix and the 7.1 mix is better musically. Aren't blu-ray audio mixes usually a little more sound-effects heavy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Why would you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Just now, Stefancos said: Why would you think that? Many John Williams scored films have undermixed music on the blu-ray. Temple of Doom in certain sections and most egregiously, the Star Wars original trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Sure, but you make it sound like that is common for the format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 5 hours ago, Jwfan2234 said: Sent you a pm You go first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 5 hours ago, Taikomochi said: I really don't understand why J.J. allowed it to be mixed so low in the first place if he was such a fan of JW. If what I saw was representative of the final blu-ray which it may not be, then I am truly saddened as the music was downright inaudible at times. I've seen the film in several theatres and found the score mixed very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 When I watched it in theaters, TFA didn't have any music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I saw the Bluray cut this morning and the entire score has been replaced by Giacchino's temp track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Had a look at a very nice 1080p version and I'm not getting the "score too low" complaints at all; everything about the audio sounded crisp and well balanced to me, the music is allowed to shine when it needs to and the sound effects are about as loud as one would expect them to be. You guys sure you aren't just being whiny entitled soundtrack nerds again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: I've seen the film in several theatres and found the score mixed very well. Well, this has been discussed to death. I saw it twice in two theaters. I have heard plenty of people here annd elsewhere on the internet ffcomment that it was an issue, so I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 You and those people should visit theatres with better sound system. I saw it on Dolby Atmos, IMAX and regular cinema surround and the music came out clearly. Not as much as fuilms from the 70's or 80's, but that was a different era, but impressive for modern standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Well, one of the screenings I attended was IMAX, and it did sound better, versus a normal theater, where it was inaudible. That said, I would argue that is still the fault of the sound mixer for not mixing it in a way that would play well in all theaters, and now on the blu-ray, assuming what I heard was representative of the final version of the blu-ray, which I'd guess it was, considering how close to release we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Music seemed fine to me in the theater with the exception of the final battle run on Starkiller Base. All other scenes had a good mix. While theater and TV listening experiences are drastically different, I certainly hope the blu ray recreates the mix as much as is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Well, hopefully I am wrong and everyone disagrees with me when they hear it on blu-ray. That'd be a better outcome. The credits music is nerfed either way, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 What physical changes were made to the credits that necessitated lengthening the music? My understanding is that no significant change was made to the film. Is it taking more time to credit DVD mastering company credits, etc? Seems weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Kylo Ren scene on the Millennium Falcon (yes, with new music!!!!) Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 And it sounds like it's building up to something when the scene ends, which can only mean one thing: more unused music! crumbs and mrbellamy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Trailer for the deleted scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 A 1 minute trailer for 4 minutes or so of deleted scenes? This is ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: And it sounds like it's building up to something when the scene ends, which can only mean one thing: more unused music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 49 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: And it sounds like it's building up to something when the scene ends, which can only mean one thing: more unused music! The last section of music is The Bombing Run from the FYC. It's great to know Williams scored the deleted scenes though, they must have been cut fairly late. A pleasant surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 "The Bombing Run" coming in at the end of the scene was actually pretty badass as a transition. Though, I'd speculate they added it in just for the blu-ray as a way to conclude the scene and that it probably was not intended by Williams to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 That Kylo music is new, though, isn't it? Maybe not.....that would suck if they're actually just tracking stuff in from the rest of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yeah, I don't recognize it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was intended for that sequence. It could come from any number of unused alternates elsewhere in the score, but I'm still pretty sure it is unreleased, which is good. We will just have to wait to hear it in blu-ray quality, not phone quality, to know how well it fits the scene. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Trailer for the deleted scenes. Does that trailer have some previously unreleased Williams music? I can't remember hearing the :00-:10 music before, and it sounds like Williams to me. I rather like that bit. Also, the music from :10-:20 sounds familiar, from Williams' TFA score I think (I think it's something that has already been released on the OST or FYC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 There's also some of the "Finn escorts Poe to the tie-fighter" music at the end of the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Watched the first hour tonight, can't imagine many JWFans being unhappy with the mix (although The Falcon is disorientingly microedited/tracked, as evidenced by the FYC). Overall the music is treated very well and my opinion of the score is much higher than I initially gave it credit. The score is vintage Star Wars and any complaints by the masses are simply ignorant. The score fits the movie like a glove; any complaints about the lack of "the next Duel of the Fates" are a result of the film itself. My first viewing of the film found the solemn Force Theme renditions a bit repetitive, but there's some notable orchestral differences between them. My only musical WTF moment was Luke's Theme appearing as Finn and Poe discuss escaping from the First Order early in the first act, while making no reference to Luke or the Force whatsoever. Possibly tracked, as this music didn't appear in the FYC? Mind you, I was listening to a 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio mix at 1564kbps. I'm certain the 2.0 stereo mix has shortchanged the music. Not Mr. Big and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 When's this due out on tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 1 hour ago, crumbs said: My only musical WTF moment was Luke's Theme appearing as Finn and Poe discuss escaping from the First Order early in the first act, while making no reference to Luke or the Force whatsoever. Possibly tracked, as this music didn't appear in the FYC? I think that within the original trilogy, the main title is Luke's theme. The moment that it appeared under Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in the first few minutes of The Phantom Menace, it became something else. I just call it the "Star Wars theme" or the "Star Wars adventure theme" now. Even in TFA, a movie WITH Luke, it underscores primarily ol' swashbuckling Poe Dameron (see: Scherzo for X-wings). crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 And it's used when Han and Chewie board the Falcon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 It always had kind of a double function anyway. Its a very common thing for Williams to do. The Force Theme started out as Ben's theme, but it also used for the rebels. The imperial march represents both the Empire and Vader, etc. Shore would have composed 16 themes for each of these. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Leitmotif fundamentalists are the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Yoda's Theme also functions as the Cloud City Hallway Motif! Star Wars is still waiting patiently for its first love theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jwfan2234 59 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 How are you guys watching the movie? It's not out till the 5th! 1st digital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The movie leaked on torrent sites, and some people are thieves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 13 minutes ago, Jwfan2234 said: How are you guys watching the movie? It's not out till the 5th! 1st digital Weren't you gonna leave? Koray Savas and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 9 hours ago, crumbs said: Watched the first hour tonight, can't imagine many JWFans being unhappy with the mix (although The Falcon is disorientingly microedited/tracked, as evidenced by the FYC). Overall the music is treated very well and my opinion of the score is much higher than I initially gave it credit. The score is vintage Star Wars and any complaints by the masses are simply ignorant. The score fits the movie like a glove; any complaints about the lack of "the next Duel of the Fates" are a result of the film itself. My first viewing of the film found the solemn Force Theme renditions a bit repetitive, but there's some notable orchestral differences between them. My only musical WTF moment was Luke's Theme appearing as Finn and Poe discuss escaping from the First Order early in the first act, while making no reference to Luke or the Force whatsoever. Possibly tracked, as this music didn't appear in the FYC? Mind you, I was listening to a 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio mix at 1564kbps. I'm certain the 2.0 stereo mix has shortchanged the music. So would you say that the score is better mixed than it was in theaters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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