Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 I also hear a Goldsmithian vibe to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 High quality: Admin note: The film clip begins at 0:18Great scene (the film clip, not the Pentatonix performance). Williams' music is nothing spectacular (probably because this particular bit is devoid of noticeable thematic material), but he clearly hasn't lost his touch. I can't wait to hear the full score.Sounds great! And it's 99.9% Williams to my ears. Reminds me of a similar rhythm he did in the Temple of Doom track "Saving Willie" (start at 1:05): I agree. When I first heard this TFA music, I thought it sounded very much like some of Williams' Temple of Doom work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedog 7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 sounds like williams is on autopilot here, less star warsy too. Was hoping for a bit more oomph from the music in this scene. Here's hoping rest of the score is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 sounds like williams is on autopilot here, less star warsy too. Was hoping for a bit more oomph from the music in this scene. Here's hoping rest of the score is betterIt does sound like that, but it's better than nothing and we're at least guaranteed some awesome moments among the autopilot filler music. mbrannon47 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Why do people always associate Williams' modern action style with auto-pilot? Jacck and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedog 7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 action material in the prequels sounded better than this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Sounds great! And it's 99.9% Williams to my ears. Reminds me of a similar rhythm he did in the Temple of Doom track "Saving Willie" (start at 1:05): ...and incidentally, it's performed by many of the same performers and the same scoring stage which I think is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I am not even kidding, this sounds a bit Giacchinoish. It's that "bent" (that's what unexpected flats sound like to me I guess) sort of mode that he uses a lot, that's what people are saying sounds "Arabian." And it stays in place tonally for longer than you'd expect from modern Williams action music. Interesting. Taikomochi and mbrannon47 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm not sure why anybody is making judgements about the score from this 15-second clip. I was not particularly impressed by the music in the clip, but I'm still extremely excited for the score and I'm confident Williams will deliver. For me, themes are really the basis of a score, and this clip does not seem to contain any. I'll wait to pass judgement on TFA's score until I hear all the new themes Williams has composed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Why do people always associate Williams' modern action style with auto-pilot? Because it sounds anonymous and interchangeable with other similar cues. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well, this is the second instance where we've allegedly heard music from John Williams' score for The Force Awakens, and both times, people have compared it to Michael Giacchino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedog 7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 general grevious for example was a much more interesting cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 It was, but it sounded like the werewolf music from Prisoner of Azkaban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 So what? You're telling me ESB doesn't sound like The Fury? Will Tasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedog 7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 escape from naboo then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Now we're talking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I like the snippet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Why do people always associate Williams' modern action style with auto-pilot? Because they're the same type of people who say Williams' modern action music is chaotic and unstructured, essentially blaming him with their unfortunate lack of ability in keeping up.Here you'll typically find -Auto-pilot = music someone doesn't likeInspired = music someone likes Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedog 7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 autopilot = not enough gusto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I definitely get the Goldsmith mention here. Most intriguing! Very, very excited for the rest of this score.Sounds nothing like KOTCS to me, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedog 7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 'without hands on control' refers to the time Williams took off scoring TFA and Gia took his place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well let's not get too excited here and start making audacious comparisons. It's a typical Williams action rhythm he's employed in a good couple of other scores. Nothing especially Goldsmithian or Arabic about this really, and hardly a reflection of the whole score (for those crying "AUTOPILOT!" already).I do like the mix though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Williams needs to pull it out the bag and then invent a whole new bag to pull it out of again if he's going to trump Giacchino's JA Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What's so great about Jupiter Ascending? I only remember the last bit of Commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well let's not get too excited here and start making audacious comparisons here. It's a typical Williams action rhythm he's employed in a good couple of other scores. Nothing especially Goldsmithian or Arabic about this really, and hardly a reflection of the whole score (for those crying "AUTOPILOT!" already).I do like the mix though!The snippet (or at least the beginning of it) is written in what sounds to me like the fairly Goldsmithian compound meter of 3/4 - 5/8 - the repetitiveness and the more focused tonality (as Grey mentioned) also sort of gave it that vibe for me.I'm not hearing any autopilotry, by the way. What I'm hearing is some very exciting stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What's so great about Jupiter Ascending? I only remember the last bit of Commitment.Not much. There's some interesting colours, I guess. But still plenty of melodic and harmonic daftness.It won't take much at all for Williams to beat that score to a pulp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'd even rank KOTCS over most Gia scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brónach 1,302 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What's so great about Jupiter Ascending? I only remember the last bit of Commitment.Not much. There's some interesting colours, I guess. But still plenty of melodic and harmonic daftness.It won't take much at all for Williams to beat that score to a pulp.I remember being very entertained by the score for John Carter (maybe not the whole thing, but several parts of it), and I was surprised of how much I didn't really care for this apparently similar assignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well let's not get too excited here and start making audacious comparisons here. It's a typical Williams action rhythm he's employed in a good couple of other scores. Nothing especially Goldsmithian or Arabic about this really, and hardly a reflection of the whole score (for those crying "AUTOPILOT!" already).I do like the mix though!The snippet (or at least the beginning of it) is written in what sounds to me like the fairly Goldsmithian compound meter of 3/4 - 5/8 - the repetitiveness and the more focused tonality (as Grey mentioned) also sort of gave it that vibe for me.I'm not hearing any autopilotry, by the way. What I'm hearing is some very exciting stuff!I don't disagree. It is a classic Goldsmith meter, but it's hardly unique to this instance for Williams. He's used similar meters in other scores. The focused tonality, as you call it, does make this example more appealing though. A combination of that and a good mix does it make sound somewhat refreshing.And the autopilot comment wasn't geared towards you Will Tasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What's so great about Jupiter Ascending? I only remember the last bit of Commitment.Not much. There's some interesting colours, I guess. But still plenty of melodic and harmonic daftness.It won't take much at all for Williams to beat that score to a pulp.I remember being very entertained by the score for John Carter (maybe not the whole thing, but several parts of it), and I was surprised of how much I didn't really care for this apparently similar assignment.It works on the surface level for the first few times, and then it offers little reason to revisit it. Despite all the flash and bombast, it's a rather empty score in the end.And as always, nice to have you back mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yeah. John Carter is the better score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yeah, John Carter is at least a fun listen. Jupiter As(s)cending is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well let's not get too excited here and start making audacious comparisons here. It's a typical Williams action rhythm he's employed in a good couple of other scores. Nothing especially Goldsmithian or Arabic about this really, and hardly a reflection of the whole score (for those crying "AUTOPILOT!" already).I do like the mix though!The snippet (or at least the beginning of it) is written in what sounds to me like the fairly Goldsmithian compound meter of 3/4 - 5/8 - the repetitiveness and the more focused tonality (as Grey mentioned) also sort of gave it that vibe for me.I'm not hearing any autopilotry, by the way. What I'm hearing is some very exciting stuff!I don't disagree. It is a classic Goldsmith meter, but it's hardly unique to this instance for Williams. He's used similar meters in other scores. The focused tonality, as you call it, does this make this example more appealing though. A combination of that and a good mix does it make sound somewhat refreshing.And the autopilot comment wasn't geared towards you I know - hence "by the way" .And yes - an example that comes to mind is 4M4A Fighting With Grievous in ROTS. But still, more Goldsmithian than Williams to me, especially considering the former's frequent use of compound meter.Oh, and how could I forget that awesome WOTW cue - The Attack on the Car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 John Carter reminds me more of both Lost and Medal of Honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Tasker 21 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yeah. John Carter is the better score.Interesting! I like both scores though find I'm happy with John Carter if I listen to the first five tracks and then the End Credits cue. Jupiter Ascending seems to have more going for it? JC - for all its many strengths - reminds me of someone's review of Patrick Doyle's The Last Legion, that every cue sounds like the climactic cue to the final scene in the film.Obviously a case of "your mileage may vary". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 JC music > JA musicJA recording >>>>>>>>>>>> [...] >>>> JC recording Not Mr. Big and Jilal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Now that the "cat is out of the bag" so to speak, I have a feeling we'll hear more of the score soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The Swingle Singers a cappella version is much better, imho: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 On the bright side, the new snippet of the score seems to have getting really good reception around the net. For what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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