BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'd happily pay another $30 for a Matessino version of Hook, personally. I mean shit, the LLL version uses the film's music stem for some cues that exist in perfect quality unofficially.The other 4 you mentioned have received definitive presentations from the earliest elements that exist so there's nothing to worry about with those.It's weird that Williams approved the complete Home Alone with all those songs and unheard source music, but doesn't approve more music in Hook!! I think Williams' attitude toward these kind of releases is way overrated here.But we were told that the Hook release was on John Williams' approval.And obviously he didn't want that extra music to be heard.Or are you suggesting that LLL prevented us from hearing the extra music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,363 Posted November 29, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2015 Clearly Matessino has a better working relationship with Williams than Didier Deutsch. In fact, my Q&A with Mike going up in a bit will shed some light on this... JasonTHX, Incanus, TownerFan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'd happily pay another $30 for a Matessino version of Hook, personally. I mean shit, the LLL version uses the film's music stem for some cues that exist in perfect quality unofficially.The other 4 you mentioned have received definitive presentations from the earliest elements that exist so there's nothing to worry about with those.It's weird that Williams approved the complete Home Alone with all those songs and unheard source music, but doesn't approve more music in Hook!! I think Williams' attitude toward these kind of releases is way overrated here.But we were told that the Hook release was on John Williams' approval.And obviously he didn't want that extra music to be heard.Or are you suggesting that LLL prevented us from hearing the extra music?I'm not suggesting anything, but in the last few years we got Matessino-produced/Williams-approved releases (containing every nuts and bolts) of:1941Empire of the SunA.I.JawsJaws 2Home AloneAnd then we got Hook, which was Williams-approved, but not produced by Mike.I clearly see a pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Ok, I see.I don't give much notice to credits so I don't know who produces what.Then i guess we should hope for a Matessino produced Indiana Jones box too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Clearly Matessino has a better working relationship with Williams than Didier Deutsch. In fact, my Q&A with Mike going up in a bit will shed some light on this...Yeah, i read it already (read it here). Some very insightful stuff. And it's clear we can expect more expanded John Williams goodness in the near future. It's obvious there's other parties interested in doing some of the most famous of John Williams' scores (coughStarWarscough).I missed out on the first release, as I think I said previously, so this set is a definite buy when I next get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Williams clearly trusts Mike's feedback and opinion more than anyone at this point. Shame that Hook isn't coming out now, would have been the perfect time for it! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Well, next year is the 25th anniversary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Though i intensely dislike the cavalier attitude towards customer triple dipping just because miraculously the stars aligned two years after the initial and quite comprehensive-if-not-perfect DELUXE/EXPANDED etc. release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 250 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I will get this, sure.And then I will have...Home Alone Original Soundtrack Home Alone LLL Expanded EditionHome Alone LLL 25th Anniversary Edition Home Alone 2 Original Soundtrack ScoreHome Alone 2 Original Soundtrack SongsHome Alone 2 Varese Sarabande Expanded Edition Home Alone 2 LLL Expanded Edition Anybody else getting the feeling that the Home Alone soundtrack market is being oversaturated? Don't you have the "Home Alone Christmas" album??Shame on you! Go to buy it right now! http://www.amazon.com/Home-Alone-Christmas-Various-Artists/dp/B00000JHGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I will buy a new Hook if Williams does not prevent any source music, insert or alternate to be released.And it better not be a 35 bucks 3cd set with the OST included on disc 3.... crumbs and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 250 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Now that we have a clear idea of what the differences are between this edition and the previous one, can anyone please help me understand the differences between the Varese Sarabande and the LLL editions of Home Alone 2 please? I remember I passed on that 3 years ago but now I don't know if I should buy the new LLL editions of both scores...Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Now that we have a clear idea of what the differences are between this edition and the previous one, can anyone please help me understand the differences between the Varese Sarabande and the LLL editions of Home Alone 2 please? I remember I passed on that 3 years ago but now I don't know if I should buy the new LLL editions of both scores...Thanks.There are some additional source music tracks on the LLL version and different liner notes. Supposedly, it sounds different, but I've never been able to substantiate this. I wouldn't think it sounds any different, as it was supposedly a straight reissue of the presentation Williams approved back in 2002, only with some additional source music tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I've got the Varèse release for Home Alone 2 and have heard the LLL version...I have yet to get the LLL set but in my opinion the LLL does have a bit more edge in terms of sound quality over the Varèse. If you don't have the previous Varèse set might be worth the purchase, or even if you do might be worth the upgrade.In a way for Home Alone 1, it does seem like it's the similar case with the Batman re-issue...found better elements for the re-issue and I was actually glad to bite the bullet on that one and get it, despite having the previous set. I for one will be getting the re-issue of Home Alone 1 and won't regret it. I just need Home Alone 2's re-issue from LLL to complete the set... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Now that we have a clear idea of what the differences are between this edition and the previous one, can anyone please help me understand the differences between the Varese Sarabande and the LLL editions of Home Alone 2 please? I remember I passed on that 3 years ago but now I don't know if I should buy the new LLL editions of both scores...Thanks.There are some additional source music tracks on the LLL version and different liner notes. Supposedly, it sounds different, but I've never been able to substantiate this. I wouldn't think it sounds any different, as it was supposedly a straight reissue of the presentation Williams approved back in 2002, only with some additional source music tracks.Maybe they'll find better elements in time for the 25th anniversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I think in the Jay interview Mattessino says HA2 uses the same mastering as varese because it was both Williams and Murphy approved? And that it is not a true important movie. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I always questioned whether it actually differed from the Varese set. No one could give me a conclusive answer, an answer I never cared enough to seek myself, and considering how all the reissues coming out of the labels were simply brighter and louder, I assumed they either left it alone since the Deluxe Edition was already bright and loud, or they somehow made it even brighter and louder! It wasn't logical to conclude that they fixed the loudness issue, as that's completely opposite to what your beloved labels do these days. Sorry to say.I mostly only listen to the Home Alone 2 OST, anyway. That's my favorite Home Alone score presentation, although it seems like everyone hates that version except me ever since it was claimed it was made from an inferior master and playing at the wrong speed. I can't hear that at all, and the Deluxe Edition is so bright and loud, it causes listener fatigue by the start of "We Overslept Again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 They're hit and miss in the brighter and louder department. Especially Varese. That label can do a tremendous sounding job on Predator 2 but fuck up Chinatown and A Nightmare on Elm Street.Someone with a tin ear is running that joint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 The label has little to do with it. Matessino produced Predator 2 and not those others, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 He needs to become a boss or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Start his own label! airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 M&M Records. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 I think in the Jay interview Mattessino says HA2 uses the same mastering as varese because it was both Williams and Murphy approved? And that it is not a true important movie. ? Mike did not mention that in my interview - he mentioned it on FSM: Posted: Nov 28, 2015 - 2:43 PM By: mxmx (Member) Home Alone 2 stayed the same because the original Varese version was approved by John Williams and Shawn Murphy. There's no need to revisit it even if other material showed up, because it's Home Alone 2. The first Home Alone, however, is a different story, as it's one of the most important and enduring of John Williams' scores and now both have composer-approved expansions. This was an opportunity to not only have much better quality but to demonstrate what might be done for future releases, thus opening the doors for other projects. Mike M. http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumid=1&threadID=112847 I get the impression that the expansion of Home Alone 2 was already done with the first generation masters the first time it was expanded, so its not the same situation as Home Alone where the proper masters weren't available when first expanded, and we're finally getting a proper expansion now. Home Alone 2's expansions both sound fine because Matessino had the best elements to work with both times. Another thing I thought was funny that now we have an expansion of both scores where the songs are presented before the main title, and one where they are presented after the main score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I agree with the criticism that this might be released too soon after the last expanded edition for it to really get the props it deserves. Not helping the matter is that we also got an excellent expanded edition of HA2. However - The score for Home Alone is one of my favorites from Williams, so just the prospect of having it in better sound quality is enough for me to motivate a purchase. I'd imagine that the overall response for, say, any other of Williams top 5 scores being released with improved sound would be received with more gratitude than HA because of the previous releases mentioned. The extra material isn't what's going to get me to open up my wallet this time. It'll be for the improved sound quality. I'm also really glad that they decided to include the remastered version of the OST! I have a feeling that that'll be the portion of this CD that I'll be returning to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I think even the CBS release sounds fine, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I didn't realize it's been nearly 6 years since the previous expansion. Why are people complaining again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Because it's fun to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Because they pay handsome money for supposedly definitive releases of a score only to be told those weren't really so good a few years later and please will they re-buy it a third time? (if that IS the final release).And it is fun to complain of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Yes it is fun to grouse and gripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Harrumph, harrumph, grumble, grumble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 And such small portions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Harrumph, harrumph, grumble, grumble?Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Because they pay handsome money for supposedly definitive releases of a score only to be told those weren't really so good a few years later and please will they re-buy it a third time? (if that IS the final release).And it is fun to complain of course.6 years is more than a few. I don't expect the things I buy to never be revisited again. What should be the timeframe then? 10 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 5 years.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 7 years and 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 8 years, 7 months, 16 days, 4 minutes 22... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 6 years is more than a few. I don't expect the things I buy to never be revisited again. What should be the timeframe then? 10 years?I don't need a sliderule to see that such practice is ill-advised and mostly to blame on the increasingly strained market for these labels - the end is nigh, at least for surefire bonanzas like Goldsmith and Williams scores so they milk it and hope for some revenue. Which is not the end of the world but it's also not something we must applaud like sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I do all my shopping for OSTs on eBay anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I still need to get the original CD releases of SpaceCamp, The Accidental Tourist and The Witches of Eastwick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I still need to get the original CD releases of SpaceCamp, The Accidental Tourist and The Witches of Eastwick.I managed to snatch up the old Warner edition of The Accidental Tourist. SpaceCamp and TWOE are fucking hard to find, but I'm constantly looking. I want to create the most complete John Williams OST collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 6 years is more than a few. I don't expect the things I buy to never be revisited again. What should be the timeframe then? 10 years?I don't need a sliderule to see that such practice is ill-advised and mostly to blame on the increasingly strained market for these labels - the end is nigh, at least for surefire bonanzas like Goldsmith and Williams scores so they milk it and hope for some revenue. Which is not the end of the world but it's also not something we must applaud like sheep.Sheeps can't applaud. They don't have hands.That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Is this sold out or not listed yet? I looked on LLL to pre order this. and all i can find is the listing for the first album that is sold out. THere isn't a listing for the upcoming release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Read the title of the thread you're in It's not available anywhere until Tuesday December 1st at 12:00PM PST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 well yes, i knew that. just didn't know if one could pre order or not. thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 La-La Land doesn't do pre-orders.They'll go live on their own site at 12:00PST tomorrow, and after that other online retailers will be allowed to sell them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 6 years is more than a few. I don't expect the things I buy to never be revisited again. What should be the timeframe then? 10 years?I don't need a sliderule to see that such practice is ill-advised and mostly to blame on the increasingly strained market for these labels - the end is nigh, at least for surefire bonanzas like Goldsmith and Williams scores so they milk it and hope for some revenue. Which is not the end of the world but it's also not something we must applaud like sheep.Sheeps can't applaud. They don't have hands.That is correct. Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Mutation. It is the key to our evolution. It is how we have evolved from a single-cell organism into the dominant species on the planet. This process is slow, normally taking thousands and thousands of years. But every few millennia evolution leaps forward. Karol Incanus and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 6 years is more than a few. I don't expect the things I buy to never be revisited again. What should be the timeframe then? 10 years? I don't need a sliderule to see that such practice is ill-advised and mostly to blame on the increasingly strained market for these labels - the end is nigh, at least for surefire bonanzas like Goldsmith and Williams scores so they milk it and hope for some revenue. Which is not the end of the world but it's also not something we must applaud like sheep.Ill advised? So no one should remaster old crappy looking films, right? If you don't want it, don't buy it. I don't understand why it's a problem that other people get a chance to own it. It's not like it prevented another score from getting the same treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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