Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-film-starwars-secrecy-idUSKBN0TQ1I020151207#BCbpjLy3KWiIBg3q.9%209#BPeyTrv78EzGCTKT.97Kylo Ren has his own theme song! I'm guessing that Lin-Manuel wrote the lyrics. Adam Driver claimed he could not remember if his character, the Darth Vader-like Kylo Ren, had his own theme song. (Director J.J. Abrams later confirmed he did.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I wonder what the lyrics are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Well, if Adam Driver cannot remember if his character has a song, then it means he doesn't sing it in musical theatre style.It may still be sung by his stormtroopers while he is out of the scene, though. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,176 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Of course the villain has a theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 crumbs and Scarpia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,176 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I guess this confirms that Williams doesn't simply use Imperial March for Ren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scarpia 132 Posted December 7, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2015 crumbs, Ricard and Brónach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,698 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I hope it's sung by Adele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Starfall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Starfall?No, that's the Starkiller theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I guess this confirms that Williams doesn't simply use Imperial March for Ren?Was that a legitimate concern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I guess this confirms that Williams doesn't simply use Imperial March for Ren?I remember an interview when Williams said that they were working mainly with new themes, and up to that moment, they hadn't used any of the existing themes.I still think the score will be almost completely brand new music, and all those words about "new themes that co-exists with the old ones" are just referring to the main title, the beggining of the credits, and possibly the Force Theme and pianissimo Imperial March in a couple of scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,176 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I agree that other than the Force theme, and I suppose Han's theme, nothing from the OT or PT will be used in the score for more than cameo type things, probably. Except of course the familiar main and end titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 There's no way we're not going to hear Leia or Han's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,698 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I hope the lyrics are memorable in a Linkin Park sort of way. Their music for those great Transformers movies is always a highlight. <i>Kylo Ren, Kylo Ren!He's our eee-vil leader,Kylo Ren, Evil Ren,His name certainly ain't Peter!</i>I'm very confident this musical sequence takes place during the sequence with the First Order army on the snow planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 crumbs and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,698 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 With the orchestral backing provided by the London Symphony Orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,176 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Yea, but will Leia's Theme play more than once or twice? I'm thinking Han's Theme will, for sure, and the Force Theme too. But what else will be used regularly throughout the score? Probably not much from old themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Didn't you make a post once cataloguing the potential likelihood of various references?Anyway, in the actual underscore, I expect there will be full statements of Luke's theme (besides main title/credits), the Force theme, and Han Solo and the Princess. Leia's theme could go either way, either worked into a whole scene or just a fleeting moment, but I think it'll be there. Vader's theme I'm not expecting to get any big moment at all, other than a muted reference for the burnt helmet and other small quotes if he's mentioned elsewhere.The rest is kind of up in the air, I can't think of a lot that they could allude to. I don't think we're getting Duel of the Fates or anything (as much as the fanboys are dying for it.) The Rebel fanfare could make an appearance outside of the end credits. Same with Luke/Leia if they appear onscreen together at all or if there's an extended moment where she talks about him. For all we know the fanfare in Asteroid Field could show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,176 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 This one?http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23157 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'm expecting a lot of references to the OT to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Me too, probably re-scored at the request of Disney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 This one?http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23157There's that, yeah, but I think it was an actual post.Oh here it is: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25318&p=1123302 For SURE will be in the new film:-Luke's Theme (for the Main Title at a minimum, probably also for when Luke shows up)-The Force ThemePROBABLY will be in the new film-Leia's Theme (for when she shows up)-Han Solo and the Princess (for when he shows up)-Luke and Leia (if they have a scene together, or for some dialogue about them or the Skywalker family)-The Imperial March (probably only a quiet setting for the scenes with his mask - I hope it isn't used as a theme for the First Order)COULD be in the new film-Rebel Fanfare (hopefully some kind of cameo, don't want it to be the theme for The Resistance)-Droid Motif (I doubt JW remembers writing it, or that JJ would ask for it)-Yoda's Theme (if he's referenced in some way... probably not needed)-Victory Fanfare (from Return of the Jedi... unlikely)-Duel of the Fates (just because its so iconic... but I hope it isn't used, as much as I love it.)I just cannot imagine will be in the new film-Ewok theme-Cloud City motif-Anakin's Theme-Trade Federation March-Separatist's motif-Battle of the Heroes Anything you'd update there, Jay? I think I would still agree with all this other than obviously you didn't hit literally everything (what do we think about the likelihood of the Emperor's theme showing up?)I'd add that I think Luke's theme will get at least a couple general action/heroic statements in the underscore like always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,273 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Me too, probably re-scored at the request of DisneyAnd given synth overlays and trailer percussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 It'll be nice to have the soundtrack finally. Then we can either start celebrating or learning to accept our fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 11 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Me too, probably re-scored at the request of DisneySo is overwhelming pessimism your "schtick" or do you actually think Disney would do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,273 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Well, they did reject his trailer music (according to some guy who was probably truthful since any references were deleted from the inernet) and use that RCP-sounding dreck instead. Plus, they keep screwing with all the classic rides at Disneyland and they ruined EPCOT. I don't trust Disney anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,221 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Well, they did reject his trailer music (according to some guy who was probably truthful since any references were deleted from the inernet) and use that RCP-sounding dreck instead.The guy was talking about the Erskine teaser: This is the teaser John wrote two options for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Well, they did reject his trailer music (according to some guy who was probably truthful since any references were deleted from the inernet) and use that RCP-sounding dreck instead. Plus, they keep screwing with all the classic rides at Disneyland and they ruined EPCOT. I don't trust Disney anymore.At the same time the claim is that Abrams "didn't have to direct John Williams at all" and just let him "do his thing". So I guess we'll see if that all went to hell or not, either via Disney's mandates, Abrams' panic, or Williams' senility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,176 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Since Ren seems to be a Vader worshipper and not a Palpatine worshipper, maybe The Emperor's Theme won't be used at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Well, they did reject his trailer music (according to some guy who was probably truthful since any references were deleted from the inernet) and use that RCP-sounding dreck instead. Plus, they keep screwing with all the classic rides at Disneyland and they ruined EPCOT. I don't trust Disney anymore.At the same time the claim is that Abrams "didn't have to direct John Williams at all" and just let him "do his thing". So I guess we'll see if that all went to hell or not, either via Disney's mandates, Abrams' panic, or Williams' senility.I can't wait until the film comes out and all of these silly rumors are put to rest. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,698 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Wait, rumours?? You mean Adele isn't singing a duet of "Kylo's Theme" with Chris Cornell?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 It's going to be interesting to see the public reaction to the score, especially from young people who are so crazy about the trailer music. Is everyone going to completely lose their minds when they're reminded what real Star Wars music sounds like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,273 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 This is basically the public's perception of Star Wars music, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I seriously don't want to piss on anyone's parade, but people expecting Williams to recapture the glory days of 35 years ago, in this age, AT his age, are seriously going to be disappointed. At most, this will be on the level of Revenge of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 I seriously don't want to piss on anyone's parade, but people expecting Williams to recapture the glory days of 35 years ago, in this age, AT his age, are seriously going to be disappointed. At most, this will be on the level of Revenge of the Sith.Revenge of the Sith was great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,273 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Star Wars is great. Revenge of the Sith is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 it's going to be a loooong week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Star Wars is great. Revenge of the Sith is pretty good.Revenge of the Sith is great. Star Wars is pretty good Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,230 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-film-starwars-secrecy-idUSKBN0TQ1I020151207#BCbpjLy3KWiIBg3q.9%209#BPeyTrv78EzGCTKT.97Kylo Ren has his own theme song! I'm guessing that Lin-Manuel wrote the lyrics. Adam Driver claimed he could not remember if his character, the Darth Vader-like Kylo Ren, had his own theme song. (Director J.J. Abrams later confirmed he did.)Perhaps Ren's theme and that of the First Order in general will be the same, similar to how the Imperial March was Vader's theme and also often used for the Empire in general. We already know from the Making Star Wars report that there is a march for the First Order in the film, and it seems far-fetched to think that when Ren is shown he will get his own unique theme, while every First Order scene without him will have the march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I seriously don't want to piss on anyone's parade, but people expecting Williams to recapture the glory days of 35 years ago, in this age, AT his age, are seriously going to be disappointed. At most, this will be on the level of Revenge of the Sith.Are any of us really thinking about 35 years ago? I mean, speaking for myself, The Phantom Menace is the earliest I'm thinking back to in terms of what I expect and hope out of this score. If this can even partly approach the best of what he's given us this century, I'll be ecstatic. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,208 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yeah, I'm expecting a Phantom Menace quality score, and that's all I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,156 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'm sorry, I mean no offence, but if Williams has written 10 seperate themes for the new film, there will be 10 seperate threads here? Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,273 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Star Wars is great. Revenge of the Sith is pretty good.Revenge of the Sith is great. Star Wars is pretty goodThere's a way to be contrarian and not be ludicrous. This is not one of those ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Star Wars is great. Revenge of the Sith is pretty good.Revenge of the Sith is great. Star Wars is pretty good There's a way to be contrarian and not be ludicrous. This is not one of those ways.I'm not saying it purely for the sake of being a contrarian. I believe that ANH was before Williams truely found his footing. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,208 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'm sorry, I mean no offence, but if Williams has written 10 seperate themes for the new film, there will be 10 seperate threads here? I suppose a general theme discussion thread might be more efficient... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Given that this is art, not sport, there's no reason to think this won't be the best one yet (Verdi was in his eighties too when he wrote "Aida"). TownerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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