Popular Post Ludwig 1,120 Posted December 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2015 Here is part 5 of my Star Wars themes series, this one on the love theme from Attack of the Clones, Across the Stars:http://www.filmmusicnotes.com/celebrating-star-wars-themes-part-5-of-6-across-the-stars/Enjoy! Incanus, Loert, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Great stuff! I especially like the way you show the possible interrelations between Across the Stars and other themes from SW. As a small note on the ending phrase of the entire theme (2:26 onward in the concert suite), I see the little figure as a new theme for Anakin and perhaps relates to the idea of how his love for Padmé and even his mother leads slowly to his downfall. It is used to emphasize his impetuousness, his desire to achieve power and prestige and his obsessive love that in the end lead to the fall of the entire Jedi order. Besides the examples you mention in your article Williams seems to my ears derive the Anakin motif from the concert suite for the love theme where a string motif followed by the portentous brass (2:26-3:00). This string motif is expanded upon and receives more Dies Irae-like progressions throughout Episode II where he slows down the almost motoric figure from the suite. Some examples of its appearances: the moment on Naboo when Padmé in her conversation with the queen inadvertendly belittle's his padawan status and Anakin flares out, the moment Anakin is carrying his mother home where a slow grim reading of this idea appears (Tusken Camp and Homestead) and finally the most prominent version is heard when he confesses killing the Sand People to Padmé where the entire piece is build on this motif before climaxing in Imperial March (another unreleased highlight).In the Episode III it is e.g. woven into the Lament (aka Anakin's Betrayal), the scene of the Jedi Purge, which is in effect the result of Anakin's desperate desire to save Padmé. oierem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The long overdue first love theme of the Star Wars saga is easily one of my favourites. Always loved the richness of the orchestration. WilliamHorne97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Probably one of the most annoying themes Williams has ever composed. The two leads were so horrific, Johnny felt like he was under pressure to compensate for their lack of believability. But it only made things worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Blasphemy!I mean, he obviously composed the theme with Out of Africa in his head, but it's so sweepingly lush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Probably one of the most annoying themes Williams has ever composed. The two leads were so horrific, Johnny felt like he was under pressure to compensate for their lack of believability. But it only made things worse!Not on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yes, on the album. The music is irritating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yes, on the album. The music is irritating!I dismiss such allegations utterly! Utterly I tell you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What about that final rendition of the theme in ROTS, as Padme goes to confront Anakin knowing she will likely die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What about that final rendition of the theme in ROTS, as Padme goes to confront Anakin knowing she will likely die?Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What about that final rendition of the theme in ROTS, as Padme goes to confront Anakin knowing she will likely die?That bit was alright. And how it ends in the album version of the end credits of AOTC. It's just when it goes loud and swells like a wombat's eyes that's allergic to grass, then it's annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The Meadow Picnic isn't a fair representation of the theme. I blame that solely on Lucas' complete inability as a writer.And yes, the album ending of End Credits is exemplary; naturally Lucas made sure to delete it and replace it with the standard ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The Meadow Picnic isn't a fair representation of the theme. I blame that solely on Lucas' complete inability as a writer.Hey the original version didn't even use Across the Stars but the "courting theme" which most of the cue is based on. It was Lucas who wanted a rewrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Is the theme at the start here an example of the courting theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Is the theme at the start here an example of the courting theme?Yes. It appears in these few scenes where Creepy Stalker Skywalker is wooing Padmé. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 It's probably the fault of the godawful material it's attached to, but I can't stand that theme. It just pisses me off for some inexplicable reason (again, probably the material).It's so sugary and saccharine it hurts my ears. There's just so many more layers of complexity going on in Across the Stars (love, tragedy, sadness, remorse, inevitability); this theme is just one-dimensional Williams desperately telling the audience "look how sweet this couple is!" because Lucas was incapable of conveying any emotion whatsoever with his fucking horrible direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Great analysis! I always thought it was interesting that this theme and Luke's theme go almost in parallel, in terms of melodic contour and rhythm. I never noticed the pattern with the 2nd and 3rd intervals though. Guess that's what gives the theme a sort of "inevitable" quality (as do many of JW's themes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Hmmm. Movie scores tell the audience how to feel. It's what they do. Across the Stars does its job. WilliamHorne97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamHorne97 16 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The theme is really good. I've always liked that nice change of tone around 4.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Hmmm. Movie scores tell the audience how to feel. It's what they do. Across the Stars does its job.But it just sounds stupid while it does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I was really surprised to see the connections this theme has to the other themes in AOTC (and Luke's for that matter). Very interesting stuff!I can't wait to see what the BOTH analysis reveals; I always considered that the most isolated theme in the saga, despite the obvious potential it had. I wish JW had planted seeds of that theme throughout the film, as Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship gradually deteriorated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Hmmm. Movie scores tell the audience how to feel. It's what they do. Across the Stars does its job.But it just sounds stupid while it does it.Then it perfectly encapsulates the romance in the film.John Williams the greatest musical storyteller the world of cinema has ever known! If need be putting even "stupid" in musical form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The long overdue first love theme of the Star Wars saga is easily one of my favourites. Always loved the richness of the orchestration.First love theme...? 'Han Solo and the Princess.' Hell even 'Luke and Leia' is a love theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Nope.Across The Stars is the first love theme in the saga. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Nope.Across The Stars is the first love thmee in the saga.Right, so the theme that specifically scores the growing love between Han and Leia is a theme for what then? Han's wit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Nope.Across The Stars is the first love thmee in the saga.Right, so the theme that specifically scores the growing love between Han and Leia is a theme for what then? Han's wit?It's just a running joke Lee. Williams mentioned in Episode II documentaries how Across the Stars is the first love theme for Star Wars, which it of course isn't, so he himself obviously had forgotten Han Solo and the Princess entirely. So who are we to contradict the Maestro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 It's just a running joke Lee. Williams mentioned in Episode II documentaries how Across the Stars is the first love theme for Star Wars, which it of course isn'tIt is, if you consider the saga in chronological order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 It's just a running joke Lee. Williams mentioned in Episode II documentaries how Across the Stars is the first love theme for Star Wars, which it of course isn'tIt is, if you consider the saga in chronological order.And as a wise man John was obviously speaking from that perspective. Sharp as a tag, that wise old fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Nope. Across The Stars is the first love thmee in the saga.Right, so the theme that specifically scores the growing love between Han and Leia is a theme for what then? Han's wit?It's just a running joke Lee. Williams mentioned in Episode II documentaries how Across the Stars is the first love theme for Star Wars, which it of course isn't, so he himself obviously had forgotten Han Solo and the Princess entirely. So who are we to contradict the Maestro? I see. Thought I was having a nervous breakdown for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 As a small note on the ending phrase of the entire theme (2:26 onward in the concert suite), I see the little figure as a new theme for Anakin and perhaps relates to the idea of how his love for Padmé and even his mother leads slowly to his downfall. It is used to emphasize his impetuousness, his desire to achieve power and prestige and his obsessive love that in the end lead to the fall of the entire Jedi order. Besides the examples you mention in your article Williams seems to my ears derive the Anakin motif from the concert suite for the love theme where a string motif followed by the portentous brass (2:26-3:00). This string motif is expanded upon and receives more Dies Irae-like progressions throughout Episode II where he slows down the almost motoric figure from the suite. Some examples of its appearances: the moment on Naboo when Padmé in her conversation with the queen inadvertendly belittle's his padawan status and Anakin flares out, the moment Anakin is carrying his mother home where a slow grim reading of this idea appears (Tusken Camp and Homestead) and finally the most prominent version is heard when he confesses killing the Sand People to Padmé where the entire piece is build on this motif before climaxing in Imperial March (another unreleased highlight).In the Episode III it is e.g. woven into the Lament (aka Anakin's Betrayal), the scene of the Jedi Purge, which is in effect the result of Anakin's desperate desire to save Padmé.I agree - I had always thought of that little coda on the concert version as "Anakin's evil" or something similar (maybe evil is too strong a word). The unusual thing about these relationships is that they are much transformed than in a typical film score, where if a theme recurs or is varied, it's generally abundantly clear that's what's happening. For that reason, it becomes harder to draw the line between significant and insignificant relationships. Your reading works well if seen as drawn from that coda idea, which is ominous to begin with. But then that idea is itself a variant of the love theme, and as I sort of implied in the post, it's probably not as "slam dunk" an observation to link everything back to the love theme (i.e., not everyone will agree). I try to make a case for it, but I think there are other ways to interpret it, as I suggest. In any case, I think yours is a sophisticated and particularly convincing reading of the many thematic relationships in these last two prequel scores. Thanks, Inky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I thought it was quite obvious that what you call section C is actually based on the descending chord progression from Darth Vader's theme. Williams did the same in Anakin's theme. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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