Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Everything in this movie was obvious. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 It's JJ Abrams we're talking about. Anyway, obvious or not it'll keep people talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Everything in this movie was obvious.True.But I want to believe that Rey's parents aren't part of the obvious stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Don't be so optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 It seemed to me like after whatever went down at Luke's Jedi temple, he sent her away and had Lor looking over her ala Obi-Wan.Dude even looks like Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Yeah I think Rey was watched over by Luke. Like I said the other day, when Ren interrogates her, he says something like "you picture an ocean. I see it too. An island in an ocean" and that's of course where we find Luke at the end. So Rey has been seeing the first Jedi temple. I think she's obviously very powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 So is Rey's mother Mara Jade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I think she's obviously very powerful.Too powerful, too soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I think she's obviously very powerful.Too powerful, too soon!I agree.Oh yeah so is anyone denying the basically obvious notion that Snoke is Darth Plagueis? Considering Serkis says he's been around a long time and saw all what happened before in the previous films, and the big obvious one is the huge similarities in the music. I mean Palpatine's Teachings when he talks about Plagueis is basically the same as Snoke's theme. Someone would have surely picked up on that and changed the music if it wasn't true. I think Williams was specifically instructed to give Snoke a similar musical identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 He's not Plagueis. In the art of book they show them considering having Snoke as a female. Plagueis was referred to as male in RotS. He 100% is not Plagueis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Some are speculating that Snoke is small like Yoda.I found it weird that Rey could speak BB-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Why? Luke could speak R2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 She's Mary Sue. She can do anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Some are speculating that Snoke is small like Yoda.I found it weird that Rey could speak BB-8.She could also understand Chewie. Strong connection to the Force I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 He's not Plagueis. In the art of book they show them considering having Snoke as a female. Plagueis was referred to as male in RotS. He 100% is not Plagueis.How is that proof? Why would they connect their music so obviously? And why would they shroud Snoke in mystery and have him as a hologram as well, if he isn't going to be something that will mean something big? I think he's being set up for the reveal in Ep.8 as Plagueis. Snoke is just another pointless ominous figure otherwise. And Star Wars never does that. Ren couldn't even be a fresh new villain, he had to be related to Leia and Han. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I keep thinking Snoke is pronounced "Snokie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I keep thinking Snoke is pronounced "Snokie".And I pronounce Plagueis as 'Plagueis-sie' it's confirmed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 It's funny, I see loads of people all over the Internet bringing up the Plagueis thing but most of those people are the same ones saying Disney are ignoring the prequels. So if they'd gone ahead with the female Snoke it would still have been Plagueis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Why? Luke could speak R2That was more like Luke talking to himself though, more so than him understanding a language, which was part of the function of having R2 there to begin with. It gave the filmmakers an excuse to have him think out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Why? Luke could speak R2That was more like Luke talking to himself though, more so than him understanding a language, which was part of the function of having R2 there to begin with. It gave the filmmakers an excuse to have him think out loud.Yes! Threepio had to translate him. Have you even seen Star Wars, Stefan?"What's wrong with him now?""There are several creatures approaching from the southeast."At first I thought she couldn't really understand BB-8's unique language, but she magically knew when it tells her that Finn is wearing Poe's jacket. Maybe they have universal translators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 It's funny, I see loads of people all over the Internet bringing up the Plagueis thing but most of those people are the same ones saying Disney are ignoring the prequels. So if they'd gone ahead with the female Snoke it would still have been Plagueis?Oh I don't know, maybe they were throwing people off by mentioning a female Snoke, but they wouldn't do that! Never. Remember that Cumberbatch isn't Khan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Sandpeople! Worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Sandpeople! Worse.I hate Sandpeople, they get everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I think I'm screwed because the only one of the new characters I like is Poe. He was in this movie for like 5 minutes total. Hopefully, Mark Hamill's in the next one a lot.I would hope Hamill and Isaac have more screentime in Episode VIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I think I'm screwed because the only one of the new characters I like is Poe. He was in this movie for like 5 minutes total. Hopefully, Mark Hamill's in the next one a lot. I would hope Hamill and Isaac have more screentime in Episode VIII.Did Poe go with them to Luke? He didn't right? So that's annoying as he wont be at the temple in Ep.8. I'm more worried about what the hell is going to be a threat to the resistance anymore? They've destroyed 3 death stars, with no problem at all, so how will they write another big threat to make us worried for the good guys? A galaxy sized death star? The galaxy killer? Nothing can be scary to Leia anymore. She must just be thinking "Ah screw it, bring on the 4th deathstar." I think someone at the evil headquarters needs to stop building deathstars. 3 built and 3 destroyed is not a good success rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Seriously does anyone think they will not have more screen time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I would hope Hamill and Isaac have more screentime in Episode VIII. Won't be hard for Hamill!I've heard in Ep.8 Luke clears his throat. And in Ep.9 he mows the grass around the temple for 2 hours straight while Rey watches thinking it's training. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Why? Luke could speak R2That was more like Luke talking to himself though, more so than him understanding a language, which was part of the function of having R2 there to begin with. It gave the filmmakers an excuse to have him think out loud.Rey is shown speaking other languages in Jakku. She probably has dealt with droids all of her life, for all we know, She is very good with gadgets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 She seems to be very skilled with the things that kept her alive on Jakkuu, while relatively ignorant about the larger things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuBen_Kenobi 19 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Brilliant!Plus, that would explain the red arm! It wasn't 3PO: it was 2PO!I buy the red arm, but why the hell has he a golden arm again at the end of the movie?? They have time in the middle of the battle for change it again?Why did Ren want Luke's lightsaber?That´s because it´s also Anakin´s saber. The one which he kills a lot of Jedi in Revenge of the Sith...So, anyway, since it seems all the new characters will be linked to the old ones (Ren is Han and Leia's son, Rey will probably be Luke's or/and Leia's daughter, Finn will most likely be Lando's son, Snoke is Palpatine's son, Hux is Needa's...), what are the chances that Poe is Wedge Antilles' son?Nope. He is Kes Dameron and Shara Bey´s son according with the Shattered Empire comic that is canon .The main thing the movie has got going for it, and that they had to get right was the new main cast. The meat and bones of this trilogy's story would have never been told in this movie.Saw what you want about JJ, he usually casts well! He even found totally acceptable replacements for Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley.For sure, one of his strong points is the casting. Look at Lost, Star Trek and now TFA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 How did Kylo even know that lightsaber was Luke's/Anakin's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Through the Force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yea, that's what I meant to say before. It's cool that someone fished Luke's saber out of Cloud City, and that it made its way to Maz, who seems to be really knowledgeable and will probably play an important part of Episode 8.But wouldn't there be a bunch of lightsabers in the world at this point? I mean it's cool that in the OT there is really only Vader's, Obi-Wan's, and Anakin/Luke's.... And in ROTJ Luke makes his replacement green one (actually I'm not sure if that deleted ROTJ scene is canon or not, but it had to come from somewhere).But the backstory here is Luke trained a bunch of candidates over the past 30 years, and probably some of them made sabers, or he made them for them or something.So when he sees Finn has a saber, why would he know it was Anakin's? It could be anybody's. Well, maybe Ren spent some quality time with Luke (he is his uncle after all), and Luke described it to him. That could be it.A better question is why did Maz hold onto it instead of trying to get it back to Luke and his academy?Well, I'm expecting that to be explained in 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 It was just more sloppy writing. The audience knows it's Luke's lightsaber, so Kylo should as well. Again, don't ask questions. We don't have answers. Here's more action and Star Wars stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 We don't know when that saber was recovered. At that time, its significance and ownership could've been as clear as day. I don't see absolutely any lazy writing this. Just unresolved plot points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 When Han asked how Maz has the lightsaber and she replies "That's a good question but for another time", that line is so obviously meant for the audience I'm surprised she didn't turn to the camera and break the fourth wall as she said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I need everything explained! This isn't Star Trek! It shouldn't make you think or ask questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 That's a big problem I had with the film. It was constantly setting up another spin-off comic / book / game / whatever instead of just being it's own thing the whole time.~Why Kylo Ren Turned To The Dark Side According To J.J. Abrams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Weak motivation. Again, say what you want about Lucas and the prequels, but they made a sympathetic character out of Darth Vader/Anakin. He turned to the dark side because he loved someone so deeply and believed he could have the power to save them after his premonitions tormented him. He made a deal with the devil and the darkness consumed him. Once she's dead, the last part of him that was good seemingly dies with her. Until he learns that his children are alive, that is, and then he's on the road to redemption.There are like no redeeming qualities to Kylo. Not yet, anyway. Since they're copying the OT, that will undoubtedly change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I think I'm screwed because the only one of the new characters I like is Poe. He was in this movie for like 5 minutes total. Hopefully, Mark Hamill's in the next one a lot. I would hope Hamill and Isaac have more screentime in Episode VIII.Did Poe go with them to Luke? He didn't right? So that's annoying as he wont be at the temple in Ep.8. I'm more worried about what the hell is going to be a threat to the resistance anymore? They've destroyed 3 death stars, with no problem at all, so how will they write another big threat to make us worried for the good guys? A galaxy sized death star? The galaxy killer? Nothing can be scary to Leia anymore. She must just be thinking "Ah screw it, bring on the 4th deathstar." I think someone at the evil headquarters needs to stop building deathstars. 3 built and 3 destroyed is not a good success rate.Obviously the First Order is going to build a whole fleet of Death Stars, thousands of them, which Roy will easily destroy with one swing of Anakin's lightsaber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 what's the music track that scores when Han dies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 what's the music track that scores when Han dies?Torn Apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 23 pages in 2 days? This is why I never read Star Wars threads.I'll just say that it was great how tangible everything felt. From the very beginning, with the storm troopers marching out onto Jakku, to how they all get blasted away. Everything had a realistic weight to it that was completely gone in Episodes I-III. Speaking of episodes, I thought they were straying away from them? Why not include Episode VII in all the marketing if it's right there in the beginning of the film? Some of the dialogue was pretty bad with lots of exposition sprinkled around. Overarching plot goes nowhere; didn't like the ending. Always enjoy Abrams' direction and how he frames the action, he didn't disappoint with the two major battles in the film. Score was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Kids these days would read the marketing material and go "Episode Vee-Eye-Eye... what's that mean?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 They are making official "Episode" Star Wars movies in 2015, 2017, and 2019, with spinoff / standalone movies in the years in between. The Episodes will continue the story of the SKywalker clan while the spinoffs could be about anything. The first one coming out is about the rebels who stole the original Death Star plans, the second one is about young Han Solo, they had a Boba Fett one in development plus rumors of Obi-Wan and Yoda ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Could an Obi-Wan film with Ewan McGregor set between III and IV be amazing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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