Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: I thought he still worked by candlelight? Candles in the window... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Mr. Big said: I hate... people. "The weakest score of the franchise... and the year" What a fucking moron. I've seen worse. Some think Victory Celebration is the most memorable theme in ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, someonefun124 said: I've seen worse. Some think Victory Celebration is the most memorable theme in ROTJ. I'm sure you'll find plenty of opinions like that in the oozing mass of sewage The Force.net prequel boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Everyone wants edgy, non-descript sounds for a score, or they want exactly what they've heard before. No casual viewer is going to love TFA except for the fact that they remember the main titles theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 3 hours ago, someonefun124 said: I've seen worse. Some think Victory Celebration is the most memorable theme in ROTJ. Bekawz itz so emoshunal & EPIK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 Trying not to tear my hair out reading Youtube comments saying that "the force awakens sukcs becase the london symphony didnt play the songsz". The majority of these people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the LSO and a high school marching band. crumbs, Loert and DarthDementous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 It is merely the burden that we special few must bear, we who know the secret ways. To watch the rest of the world toil on in ignorance is the price of such knowledge. Do not hate those whose eyes are clouded, but pity them, and envy them for their blissful unknowing, for we alone suffer for what they lack. ins and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 You man endless threads about TFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 My favourite YouTube comment so far was someone lamenting that they couldn't hum any of Williams' new themes as they left the cinema. Instead, they claimed they always leave the cinema humming any theme that Hans Zimmer writes for his films. Yeah, that Joker theme from The Dark Knight is so hummable! And I often catch myself humming the Inception siren in the shower. Cerebral Cortex, Arpy and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: My favourite YouTube comment so far was someone lamenting that they couldn't hum any of Williams' new themes as they left the cinema. Instead, they claimed they always leave the cinema humming any theme that Hans Zimmer writes for his films. Yeah, that Joker theme from The Dark Knight is so hummable! And I often catch myself humming the Inception siren in the shower. Who laments this kind of stuff anymore? You don't see people lambasting other films for lack of hummability? How does one argue with people who aren't willing to have their perspectives changed? Every youtube video comment section is riddled with this crap about tge quality of the score being lesser than that of the prequels. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Stop whining. A whole lot of you bleedin' hearts are as pig-headedly ignorant when listening to non-franchised non-Hollywood stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 That's not true! I love Adele's Skyfall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 You're excepted. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,281 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 5 hours ago, crumbs said: My favourite YouTube comment so far was someone lamenting that they couldn't hum any of Williams' new themes as they left the cinema. Instead, they claimed they always leave the cinema humming any theme that Hans Zimmer writes for his films. Yeah, that Joker theme from The Dark Knight is so hummable! And I often catch myself humming the Inception siren in the shower. I did see one comment that was upset about the hummability factor, then said "Not like Mad Max: Fury Road and Interstellar where I was humming all their themes on the car ride home!" I love both of those scores too but perhaps Williams' tunes are just too damn long these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Yes!!! That was the EXACT comment I was referring to. I'm guessing it's in the comments section of Rey's Theme or Jedi Steps on Disney's official YouTube channel. I mean, humming Interstellar.... yeah... I don't know. Maybe? But Mad Max?! Like, what in the actual hell can you hum from that score? I appreciate it's an effective score in-film but it's literally as far removed from a symphonic Star Wars score as you can get. That someone actually expected something like that from a Star Wars score is both frightening and depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 That is the future of Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 A flaming guitarist strapped to the front of the Millennium Falcon while traveling at lightspeed. George Miller's Star Wars Anthology: Bounty Hunters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Yes!!! That was the EXACT comment I was referring to. I'm guessing it's in the comments section of Rey's Theme or Jedi Steps on Disney's official YouTube channel. I mean, humming Interstellar.... yeah... I don't know. Maybe? But Mad Max?! Like, what in the actual hell can you hum from that score? I appreciate it's an effective score in-film but it's literally as far removed from a symphonic Star Wars score as you can get. That someone actually expected something like that from a Star Wars score is both frightening and depressing. Link me to that comment so I can tell them they're an idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 What are those Mad Drax scores like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 hours ago, crumbs said: But Mad Max?! Like, what in the actual hell can you hum from that score? DUN! DUN! DUN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 There's one action theme from that score that keeps running through my head. And ofcourse the theme for Nux's Valhalla! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 Some positive YouTube comments so as to balance the dark with the light. Arpy, Damien F and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 "Williams delivered exactly what was needed: a John Williams score." - E.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 A few randomly selected comments about Rey's Theme on YouTube: Quote This song reminds me of that movie “the terminal" with tom hanks, even though it is anonther awesome song from John Williams, as always Quote The beginning is catch me if you can meets harry potter. Then it's the theme for Rohan from LoTR Quote Hope Howard Shore gets some royalties for lifting passages from the Two Towers (specifically the theme for Edoras) Quote this soundtrack sounds too much like War Horse, I know its also made by John Williams, but still, he didn't do his best on this Quote It makes me think of Nobuo Uematsu's tracks for Final Fantasy 9, especially "Terra" and "The Souless Village Bran Bal" Quote Reminds me of Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. It also sounds a little like the Torchwood theme from Doctor Who. Quote Why did half of this piece sound like the avengers? Quote it sounds like music fitting for a "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie. Quote Reminds me of Kung Fu Panda. ARE WE SURE HANS ZIMMER IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS Quote I'll break it down.. 0:14 Harry potter (POA) .. 0:52 Jane Eyre 1:21 Artificial Intelligence main theme 1:31 Jane Eyre. It may be a "masterpiece" but it doesn't sound like SW. Quote Total fucking Beauty and the Beast rip off! Quote Trash compared to the old ones Quote great film, shit music from JW. Quote the tracks that they scored for the trailers had a much better tone and that tone should have been used in the film. Quote you people are stupid as fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I saw a YT comment, I believe it was on Rey's Theme, that said the music sounded like it was written for a JRPG. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,281 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 The thing that I find funny scrolling through YouTube is that even though a lot of people say the score was a disappointment for them, there's pretty much always a single exception that they'll mention...but there's absolutely no consensus among the haters on what that one "good" track from TFA actually is. "The score really sucks aside from Rey's Theme" (always the most confusing comment) "Starkiller is the only good track from this film" "I really love Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle but everything else is BAD for John Williams" "The Jedi Steps is utterly fantastic but the rest? Huge disappointment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 26 minutes ago, crumbs said: A few randomly selected comments about Rey's Theme on YouTube: Was that last comment written by Williams? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, loert423 said: Was that last comment written by Williams? John's great-grandson was introducing him to YouTube when they decided to search for his new music. "Look, Pops, they're all talking about your music in the comments section!" After scrolling through several pages of comments, Williams composed himself and politely asked, "Angel grandson baby, how does Pops make a comment on here too?" Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 It's curious how people keep saying hasn't written a memorable theme in the last 20 years or so, but all these people know about The Terminal, Double Trouble, War Horse, Catch Me If You Can and more... It's strangely contradictory for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted January 3, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2016 The YouTube comments section. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. Damien F, Cerebral Cortex, WilliamHorne97 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'll translate some of the comments: - Wait a minute! Rey's Theme uses flute! What a total rip-off of War Horse. I swear that used flutes too! - It's fast music. So was Catch Me If You Can! Williams has gone crap. - Hans Zimmer is the greatest composer of all time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Clearly once Williams has used an instrument in a score, he can never use said instrument again or he's just recycling his own music! So lazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 How dare he work with only the 12 existing notes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If Williams was truly a maestro, he would just invent new notes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 What amateurs call "new notes," professionals call intonation. curlytoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 8 hours ago, crumbs said: If Williams was truly a maestro, he would just invent new notes! But then he'd be ripping off Harry Partch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Or he would use no notes at all, but again, he would be ripping off Cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 People on reddit are getting very sassy with me when I tell them the "Burning Homestead" quote was tracked in. I think it is because they do not want to think that their favorite moment of the score, which was an awkward inclusion in the film anyways, was something crammed in by the film makers against Williams intentions. Oy, why do I bother. I just wanna stop the spread of misinformation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 "The Return Home" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 18 hours ago, Michael said: It's curious how people keep saying hasn't written a memorable theme in the last 20 years or so, but all these people know about The Terminal, Double Trouble, War Horse, Catch Me If You Can and more... It's strangely contradictory for me. Was thinking the same thing. People who seemingly appreciate the scores to Catch Me If You Can and War Horse would seem to definitely be able to appreciate the TFA score. The fact that some don't is a little surprising to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 How does one respond to this? Quote Although the film was great and the score equally great, I feel that Abrams didn't push him enough to bring out the simpler, more memorable themes. In his words, "I didn't have to direct John Williams", we see one of his greatest mistakes with the film. Other directors like Lucas and Spielberg would offer constructive criticism and have conversations about what they did and didn't like.A similar scenario is Jerry Goldsmith's main title theme for Star Trek The Motion Picture (later used for TNG and other films). The first attempt was hardly memorable, and though Robert Wise couldn't tell him specifically what he didn't like, he told him "there's no theme". Once he voiced his complaints, Goldsmith reworked his composition into one of the most well-known themes in sci-fi history. Williams doesn't need to be directed as much as other composers, but a critical ear and conversation can bring out the best in his work, and Abrams was simply afraid to do that. This is unbelievable. Just unbelievable, and yet there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Lol, Spielberg is their example? Spielberg, who admits he didn't hear Catch Me if You Can until it was being recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I really want to respond to this stupidity, but how far do you go? End of the day, they're convinced it's a failing of John Williams' ability to write music when it clearly isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 At least he sounds semi informed compared to the rest of the detractors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 More memorable themes? Like... create more themes that are memorable? Or are the current themes less memorable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I've listened to Rey's Theme about 30 times. I couldn't recall it note for note before, but I can now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 6 hours ago, Taikomochi said: People on reddit are getting very sassy with me when I tell them the "Burning Homestead" quote was tracked in. I think it is because they do not want to think that their favorite moment of the score, which was an awkward inclusion in the film anyways, was something crammed in by the film makers against Williams intentions. Oy, why do I bother. I just wanna stop the spread of misinformation! If it wasn't tracked in then it may as well have been since the orchestration sounded exactly the same. They must have made this decision after the sessions were completed. I'm not sure why some people are thinking otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 "Williams worst score of the decade, most underwhelming of his SW albums, and one of the weakest in his career. Much like Kasdan and Lucas, It's time for him to retire now. Although not using the LSO contributed a lot to do this and was a bone headed move for sure. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 LOL at the review that comment was posted on: Quote Though we may not have gotten an “epic theme” like for a lightsaber duel or something, and some tracks are harder than others to enjoy outside of the setting of the film, this is in no way a bad score. Is this journalism? Is this published writing? Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 On 03/01/2016 at 8:32 PM, Taikomochi said: People on reddit are getting very sassy with me when I tell them the "Burning Homestead" quote was tracked in. I think it is because they do not want to think that their favorite moment of the score, which was an awkward inclusion in the film anyways, was something crammed in by the film makers against Williams intentions. What's awkward about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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