Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Wow. G#4->A4>C#5? I hear it now. If the theme were in Ab, it would also be part of the second phrase. A->G#>A>C#->G (over A) resolving to Ab, the tonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Yeah I was also just thinking about that second phrase thing because in the original even though you're dealing with some of those half steps there is still an overall feeling of consonance but by it's isolated presentation here the impression is that of the first phrase but a little more claustrophobic due to tightening the intervals. There is no doubt as to it being intentional in my opinion. It's also interesting that you mentioned the elegy idea which is very reminiscent of the ATS bridge and has been at times associated with Anakin's conflict .....a Jedi's conflict?? Certainly appropriate for that moment in many ways but juxtaposing those two ideas is wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I think the similarity to AOTC is just coincidental. One of those "happy accidents" to quote Williams. To use one his favourite analogies, we all have words, phrases and grammatical structures we reuse again and again, often without even knowing it. Creating music is no different to language, in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Yes, I think it may be a coincidence in that Williams may not directly remember it from that track (maybe ...but Across the Stars is still quite popular as a performance piece) but like what you said about grammar, etc, it's something that for Williams still must musically represent a sense of inner conflict. It's also used in the Catch Me If You Can opening titles and although swinging and orchestrated differently it wouldn't be too unfair to say that character also dealt with conflict. Who knows, ha ....interesting nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 The CMIYC/AOTC parallel still throws me off. Curiously though, I never noticed the similarity in TFA until now. On a similar note, any thoughts on the Terminal bit at 0:44 in March of the Resistance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 CMIYC and the Across the Stars theme has to be intentional. It's one of Williams' most blatant self-reuse moments, all the more conspicuous as the scores were recorded back to back, right? He probably liked the progression so much that he not such much recycled it as just flat out quoted himself. Still on his mind and just couldn't shake it. I refuse to believe that someone of his musical intelligence wasn't aware of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 2 hours ago, nightscape94 said: CMIYC and the Across the Stars theme has to be intentional. It's one of Williams' most blatant self-reuse moments, all the more conspicuous as the scores were recorded back to back, right? He probably liked the progression so much that he not such much recycled it as just flat out quoted himself. Still on his mind and just couldn't shake it. I refuse to believe that someone of his musical intelligence wasn't aware of it. The guy also scored 4 movies in one year. I think that phrase was rattling in his brain as much as the Zam the Assassin ostinato which pops up quite frequently in his post 2000 output in different variations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Or the 'Accidental Tourist' theme main phrase which pops up in 'Schindler' and 'CMIYC' (the reflective theme) as bridges (probably in some others i forget now). It's really no rocket science even if the mighty importance of TFA now opens up all kind of irritating nonsense about supposed interconnections of the remotest musical elements as deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't remember such music navel gazing in "the olden days". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 What does navel gazing mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Quintus said: What does navel gazing mean? Useless or excessive self-contemplation. But in our case we are gazing at JW's navel too intently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Quintus said: What does navel gazing mean? Check the Tolkien subforum for countless examples! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 14 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Check the Tolkien subforum for countless examples! It's a form of therapy! For medicinal purposes only! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Don't forget a bar of the Schindler's List theme making a cameo at the end of The Last Crusade when Elsa contemplates stealing the grail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 6 hours ago, Incanus said: Useless or excessive self-contemplation. But in our case we are gazing at JW's navel too intently. Is he an innie or an outie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 An innie now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 It's a grower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 The grower is about 5 inches lower... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Taikomochi said: It's a grower! Ew 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: The grower is about 5 inches lower... Ew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I've been told it's rather handsome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Chris Stuckmann (a popular Youtube film reviewer with 500,000 subscribers and major SW Fan) has released an in-depth review of the movie and mentions the score as a negative I actually really admire Stuckmann and think he is probably the best movie reviewer on YT but this is just further evidence of the difference between score fans and film critics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 On the other hand, as time goes on, I am seeing a lot more support on sites like Reddit. It seemed like the initial reaction was "what the fuck is this?" but I have started to see a lot of posts discussing how much they love Rey's Theme and The March of the Resistance, covers of Rey's theme, etc., often coupled with comments about how they came to appreciate the themes more as they repeatedly saw the film and listened to the album, as well as heavy downvoting of negative opinions, which is probably not good for intellectual diversity but great for those of us that love the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Is there is a Williams score that was instantly universally loved? The PT scores got a fair share of criticism during their respective releases. Even the original Star Wars score has its share of haters. There's even those who don't like E.T. score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 44 minutes ago, dfenton85 said: Chris Stuckmann (a popular Youtube film reviewer with 500,000 subscribers and major SW Fan) has released an in-depth review of the movie and mentions the score as a negative I actually really admire Stuckmann and think he is probably the best movie reviewer on YT but this is just further evidence of the difference between score fans and film critics. Is that the guy with the eminently smackable face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 You tell me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 A fuckface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 18 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: Is there is a Williams score that was instantly universally loved? The PT scores got a fair share of criticism during their respective releases. Even the original Star Wars score has its share of haters. There's even those who don't like E.T. score. Probably not. As I've said earlier in this thread, I am inclined to believe TFA took harsher criticism upon release than the PT scores did (perhaps due to association to a better film,) but I'd guess plenty of people whined about the new themes for the PT. But with time, people forget what they don't like and zero in on what they do, and that defines their opinions, like Anakin's theme and Duel of the Fates, respectively. I'd be hard-pressed to find a casual fan who realizes Anakin had his own theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,510 Posted January 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 hour ago, dfenton85 said: Chris Stuckmann (a popular Youtube film reviewer with 500,000 subscribers and major SW Fan) has released an in-depth review of the movie and mentions the score as a negative Quote "This could be due to a health issue...his soundtrack may have been rushed" Cerebral Cortex, leeallen01, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 DAE NO MEMORABLE TUNES? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 hour ago, dfenton85 said: Chris Stuckmann (a popular Youtube film reviewer with 500,000 subscribers and major SW Fan) has released an in-depth review of the movie and mentions the score as a negative I actually really admire Stuckmann and think he is probably the best movie reviewer on YT but this is just further evidence of the difference between score fans and film critics. Oh no! Now thousands of sweaty teenagers will adopt his opinions as their own! I do believe that he complimented a recent Williams score or two (War Horse perhaps?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Someone needs to educate him that this score is a "grower" equal in quality to its predecessors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 minute ago, karelm said: Someone needs to educate him that this score is a "grower" equal in quality to its predecessors. Done! Quote John Williams' score is a "grower" equal in quality to its predecessors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 it still hasn;t grown on my like the Prequel scores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Then you are lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Later as they... grow... follows madness. Then death. Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The Force Awakens, it's calling to you. Just let it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scarpia 132 Posted January 11, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2016 The Force Awakens is an outstanding score. Integrated, consistent and engaging, it surpassed any expectation I had, and I safely consider it equal to the high level music in the Star Wars series. MikeH, Marian Schedenig, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Scarpia said: The Force Awakens is an outstanding score. Integrated, consistent and engaging, it surpassed any expectation I had, and I safely consider it equal to the high level music in the Star Wars series. This! Scarpia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Well, I don't really listen to new film music these days. Because it's generally uninteresting or substandard. But I've been listening to this quite a lot, and whilst overall it's no 'classic', I still like how it sounds very much. Rey's Theme and the Resistance March I absolutely love, actually. To me those two cues are about as vintage as Williams gets, so I'm a happy chap. Next up: Ennio's new western. Quintus - enjoying the revival of an almost dead hobby; and couldn't give two fucks about YouTube mouthpieces. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 From the Empire magazine podcast discussing the Oscar noms: "I'll be honest the best score nominee that surprised me was JW for The Force Awakens because that score doesn't have the character of most of the other SW soundtracks." "I agree. I like Rey's theme very much but it is kinda repeated three times on the score and there isn't really anything else that really jumps out. It reminds me of the Howard Shore The Hobbit scores which just really repeat past glories and add a little bit of extra but it is not groundbreaking." So a contributor to one of the world's best known movie magazines thinks both TFA and The Hobbit scores just relies on existing themes and not much else. Sigh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Jackass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Deaf guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Well, he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Shut up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 You cannot silence the truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 There is no truth here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 There is only the truth! And you can't handle it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 TFA > those shitty Hobbit scores. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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