Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 hour ago, Drax said: He gave ROTS only four stars, complaining about the lack of Luke and Leia theme. Okay, you know that is a pretty gross oversimplification of his review, one which I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,739 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 6 hours ago, publicist said: It's rather laborious, isn't it? There maybe a lot of fans of SW that cherish every extra mile that is devoted to their precious - though i never heard that Williams was incapacitated by heart troubles in the 80's? The man's never had an impressive grasp of history. Just like the human mind, his reviews are full of themselves, not to mention faulty assumptions, misunderstandings and hearsay. 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: He rated Aotc above RotS? Good God. Apparently there are a few active members of this board who feel the same way. *Shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,298 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I've always thought AOTC was a much better score than ROTS. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 4 minutes ago, Jay said: I've always thought AOTC was a much better score than ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,298 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 It's a classic Williams score with great themes and great action music. What more could you want? KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 TFA has it beaten with Rey's Theme alone. That and less generic sounding action music that sounds more Star Warsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,298 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I don't think the action music in TFA sounds very (traditionally) Star Wars-y, but I do like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I will comment that I agree with the point Clemmensen makes regarding perspective and the other SW scores. I think he goes too far saying ROTJ through ROTS don't have strong memorable themes, in the context of saying TFA doesn't, but I do think ROTJ in particular is lacking, aside from the Emperor's theme, which I don't think Williams intended to have the dramatic weight he seemed to want for Luke and Leia, which, while beautiful, is underwhelming in its usage. I doubt anyone came out of the theater remembering that theme. Battle of the Heroes in ROTS is also similarly underused. I love all these scores, of course, but I think that particular criticism is misplaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 50 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: I think ROTS would be a much better score IMO if it did not rely on cut/paste of the duel music from Empire and the Throne Room from SW. I don't really dig Battle of the Heroes either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 45 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: I will comment that I agree with the point Clemmensen makes regarding perspective and the other SW scores. I think he goes too far saying ROTJ through ROTS don't have strong memorable themes, in the context of saying TFA doesn't, but I do think ROTJ in particular is lacking, aside from the Emperor's theme, which I don't think Williams intended to have the dramatic weight he seemed to want for Luke and Leia, which, while beautiful, is underwhelming in its usage. I doubt anyone came out of the theater remembering that theme. Battle of the Heroes in ROTS is also similarly underused. I love all these scores, of course, but I think that particular criticism is misplaced. But...Parade of the Ewoks is the most memorable thing EVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I suppose I probably would have come out of the film remembering Parade of the Ewoks, honestly, but that really is the most obnoxious Star Wars theme. It does not increase my appreciation of ROTJ at all. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mari 279 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 For another viewpoint, here's Frank Lehman's take: 7 things we learned about Star Wars: The Force Awakens from its music TownerFan and Hlao-roo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Quote (That’s more than can be said for poor Captain Phasma, who is given no music at all.) Lol, why would Phasma have any music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 She's got action figures, lunchboxes, and pillowcases! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 31, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2015 3 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: Lol, why would Phasma have any music? I can hear the bumbling tuba solo now! mstrox, DarthDementous and Loert 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 10 minutes ago, Mari said: For another viewpoint, here's Frank Lehman's take: 7 things we learned about Star Wars: The Force Awakens from its music Nice to see some writing from Frank for a lay audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 hour ago, Drax said: TFA has it beaten with Rey's Theme alone. That and less generic sounding action music that sounds more Star Warsy. AotC's highlights sound a lot less "generic" than what we hear in TFA. And TFA's action music is more modern Williams than your classic Star Wars sound anyway. 1 hour ago, Jay said: It's a classic Williams score with great themes and great action music. What more could you want? Indeed. It's not perfect, but it features too much great writing to warrant the amount of hate it gets here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 9 minutes ago, KK. said: Indeed. It's not perfect, but it features too much great writing to warrant the amount of hate it gets here. Who hates it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,298 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 BloodBoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Names and addresses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 hour ago, Drax said: Who hates it? @Joey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,739 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 2 hours ago, Jay said: It's a classic Williams score with great themes and great action music. What more could you want? IMO, that description fits ROTS better. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,298 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Why can't it fit both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,739 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 2 hours ago, MikeTroxell said: I think ROTS would be a much better score IMO if it did not rely on cut/paste of the duel music from Empire and the Throne Room from SW. I don't really dig Battle of the Heroes either. The Battle of the Heroes track is not my primary reason for listening to ROTS. Really, that goes for the concert pieces in all of the Star Wars scores. I love the suites because they compliment the underscores proper. 7 minutes ago, Jay said: Why can't it fit both? It does. Hence my use of the word better. ROTS does it better for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mari 279 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 5 hours ago, Hlao-roo said: Nice to see some writing from Frank for a lay audience. According to a tweet from Frank (@fmlehman) on December 26, it wasn't easy to get the article published. Quote It's proving very hard to pitch a technical musical description to a) an audience of nonmusicians and b) highly opinionated fans/haters. It's up to 1.4k shares in 9 hours so I'm glad he prevailed. It takes me back to the days of my music appreciation classes and the enjoyment of learning why a piece of music moved me so much. Hlao-roo and TownerFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 It's better if you shave it down to my personal 42 minute program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Great selection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 3 hours ago, BloodBoal said: I never said I hated it. In fact, I don't hate it. I just think it sucks donkey balls, but I feel no strong emotion towards it. If I were to feel an emotion towards it, it would be sadness rather than hate, because it is sad that this score is so bad instead of good. But what about it do you find bad? Does it lack any dramatic/emotional arc? Do you think the music itself is somehow annoying or poorly put together? I admit there's so much to be interested in if you apply a scrutinizing compositional eye, that I may be blind to larger legitimate faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2016 The New Yorker's music critic Alex Ross chimes in about Williams and his latest Star Wars score: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/listening-to-star-wars Very good piece! Mari, Quintus and Hlao-roo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,673 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I just read (some of) Filmtracks' review. Clemmenson's sole quality indicator for a score seems to be themes. Then there's the rubbish about JW being the only composer alive who can write at this level. I swear, if Zimmer had written this score instead, it would have two stars. Also, since when was 160kb mp3 considered 'poor quality'? The promo sounds the same as the OST to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I just read (some of) Filmtracks' review. Clemmenson's sole quality indicator for a score seems to be themes. Then there's the rubbish about JW being the only composer alive who can write at this level. I swear, if Zimmer had written this score instead, it would have two stars. The only composer who writes for film, sure he is. Taikomochi and TownerFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I just read (some of) Filmtracks' review. Clemmenson's sole quality indicator for a score seems to be themes. Then there's the rubbish about JW being the only composer alive who can write at this level. I swear, if Zimmer had written this score instead, it would have two stars. Nah. Clemensen tends to overrate unZimmery Zimmer scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 But John Williams IS the only composer alive who can still write at this level, and do so consistently. He's also the only compose in Hollywood who's probably still allowed to. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 4 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: But what about it do you find bad? Does it lack any dramatic/emotional arc? Do you think the music itself is somehow annoying or poorly put together? I admit there's so much to be interested in if you apply a scrutinizing compositional eye, that I may be blind to larger legitimate faults. Indeed. I've seen Alvar trash this score the most in the last few weeks, but never seen him expand on why. But as you say, compositionally, there are some fantastic things to take away from this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: But John Williams IS the only composer alive who can still write at this level, and do so consistently. He's also the only compose in Hollywood who's probably still allowed to. That's a good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,739 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: Also, since when was 160kb mp3 considered 'poor quality'? The promo sounds the same as the OST to me. Since always, though an alarming number of people cannot tell somehow. Taikomochi and Jacck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 2 hours ago, TownerFan said: The New Yorker's music critic Alex Ross chimes in about Williams and his latest Star Wars score: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/listening-to-star-wars Very good piece! Those Facebook comments, tho: The composer John Williams will almost certainly secure his fiftieth Oscar nomination for the score of “Star Wars: The Force Awakens.” Posted by The New Yorker on Friday, January 1, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2016 19 minutes ago, Hlao-roo said: Those Facebook comments, tho: I hate... people. "The weakest score of the franchise... and the year" What a fucking moron. crumbs, Taikomochi, DarthDementous and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 "The weakest score of the year." According to morons who know nothing. crumbs and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: "The weakest score of the year." According to morons who know nothing. I bet he has a couple of Star Wars cues on his Ipod at most (only the EPIC ones like "Duel of the Fates") to play over Call of Duty and John Madden Football Simulator 2015. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Cues? I think you mean songs, friend. crumbs and Jacck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I swear, if Zimmer had written this score instead, it would have two stars. Zimmer could write TFA in its present form without effort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,174 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: But John Williams IS the only composer alive who can still write at this level, and do so consistently. He's also the only compose in Hollywood who's probably still allowed to. I'd put it differently: He's the only living film composer who is able to write at this level, and possibly the only one who's still allowed to write in this style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I imagine a lot of those who don't like the score, don't like the movie, either. I remember this happening with the PT to some extent but some saw the light when they listened to the music outside the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 20 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: I'd put it differently: He's the only living film composer who is able to write at this level, and possibly the only one who's still allowed to write in this style. He's also probably the only living film composer who can get away with not having electricity in his studio! (apart from the desk lamp for nightly sessions, of course...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I thought he still worked by candlelight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,303 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 With recording playback on gramophone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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