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Tintin is an awesome score, its surprising to me still that so many here don't like it.

It's interesting to find influences in Williams' scores (that's why I like to linger around the "Williams's Most Plagiaristic Cues" thread), but to automatically say that that is a negative thi

The Force Awakens is an outstanding score. Integrated, consistent and engaging, it surpassed any expectation I had, and I safely consider it equal to the high level music in the Star Wars serie

Everyone wants edgy, non-descript sounds for a score, or they want exactly what they've heard before. No casual viewer is going to love TFA except for the fact that they remember the main titles theme.

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It is merely the burden that we special few must bear, we who know the secret ways.  To watch the rest of the world toil on in ignorance is the price of such knowledge.  Do not hate those whose eyes are clouded, but pity them, and envy them for their blissful unknowing, for we alone suffer for what they lack.

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10 minutes ago, crumbs said:

My favourite YouTube comment so far was someone lamenting that they couldn't hum any of Williams' new themes as they left the cinema. Instead, they claimed they always leave the cinema humming any theme that Hans Zimmer writes for his films.

 

Yeah, that Joker theme from The Dark Knight is so hummable! And I often catch myself humming the Inception siren in the shower.

 Who laments this kind of stuff anymore? You don't see people lambasting other films for lack of hummability? 

 

How does one argue with people who aren't willing to have their perspectives changed? Every youtube video comment section is riddled with this crap about tge quality of the score being lesser than that of the prequels. 

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5 hours ago, crumbs said:

My favourite YouTube comment so far was someone lamenting that they couldn't hum any of Williams' new themes as they left the cinema. Instead, they claimed they always leave the cinema humming any theme that Hans Zimmer writes for his films.

 

Yeah, that Joker theme from The Dark Knight is so hummable! And I often catch myself humming the Inception siren in the shower.

 

I did see one comment that was upset about the hummability factor, then said "Not like Mad Max: Fury Road and Interstellar where I was humming all their themes on the car ride home!"

 

I love both of those scores too but perhaps Williams' tunes are just too damn long these days...

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Yes!!! That was the EXACT comment I was referring to. I'm guessing it's in the comments section of Rey's Theme or Jedi Steps on Disney's official YouTube channel.

 

I mean, humming Interstellar.... yeah... I don't know. Maybe? 

 

But Mad Max?! Like, what in the actual hell can you hum from that score? I appreciate it's an effective score in-film but it's literally as far removed from a symphonic Star Wars score as you can get. That someone actually expected something like that from a Star Wars score is both frightening and depressing.

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1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Yes!!! That was the EXACT comment I was referring to. I'm guessing it's in the comments section of Rey's Theme or Jedi Steps on Disney's official YouTube channel.

 

I mean, humming Interstellar.... yeah... I don't know. Maybe? 

 

But Mad Max?! Like, what in the actual hell can you hum from that score? I appreciate it's an effective score in-film but it's literally as far removed from a symphonic Star Wars score as you can get. That someone actually expected something like that from a Star Wars score is both frightening and depressing.

Link me to that comment so I can tell them they're an idiot!

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A few randomly selected comments about Rey's Theme on YouTube:

 

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This song reminds me of that movie “the terminal" with tom hanks,  even though it is anonther awesome song from John Williams, as always

 

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The beginning is catch me if you can meets harry potter. Then it's the theme for Rohan from LoTR

 

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Hope Howard Shore gets some royalties for lifting passages from the Two Towers (specifically the theme for Edoras)

 

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this soundtrack sounds too much like War Horse, I know its also made by John Williams, but still, he didn't do his best on this 

 

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It makes me think of Nobuo Uematsu's tracks for Final Fantasy 9, especially "Terra" and "The Souless Village Bran Bal"

 

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Reminds me of Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. It also sounds a little like the Torchwood theme from Doctor Who.

 

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Why did half of this piece sound like the avengers? 

 

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it sounds like music fitting for a "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie.

 

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Reminds me of Kung Fu Panda. ARE WE SURE HANS ZIMMER IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS

 

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I'll break it down.. 0:14 Harry potter (POA) ..  0:52  Jane Eyre 1:21 Artificial Intelligence main theme 1:31 Jane Eyre.  It may be a "masterpiece" but it doesn't sound like SW. 

 

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Total fucking Beauty and the Beast rip off!

 

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Trash compared to the old ones 

 

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great film, shit music from JW.

 

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the tracks that they scored for the trailers had a much better tone and that tone should have been used in the film.

 

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you people are stupid as fuck 

 

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The thing that I find funny scrolling through YouTube is that even though a lot of people say the score was a disappointment for them, there's pretty much always a single exception that they'll mention...but there's absolutely no consensus among the haters on what that one "good" track from TFA actually is.

 

"The score really sucks aside from Rey's Theme" (always the most confusing comment)

 

"Starkiller is the only good track from this film"

 

"I really love Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle but everything else is BAD for John Williams"

 

"The Jedi Steps is utterly fantastic but the rest? Huge disappointment"

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6 minutes ago, loert423 said:

 

Was that last comment written by Williams?

 

John's great-grandson was introducing him to YouTube when they decided to search for his new music. "Look, Pops, they're all talking about your music in the comments section!" 

 

After scrolling through several pages of comments, Williams composed himself and politely asked, "Angel grandson baby, how does Pops make a comment on here too?"

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It's curious how people keep saying hasn't written a memorable theme in the last 20 years or so, but all these people know about The Terminal, Double Trouble, War Horse, Catch Me If You Can and more... It's strangely contradictory for me.

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I'll translate some of the comments:

 

- Wait a minute! Rey's Theme uses flute! What a total rip-off of War Horse. I swear that used flutes too!

 

- It's fast music. So was Catch Me If You Can! Williams has gone crap.

 

- Hans Zimmer is the greatest composer of all time!

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People on reddit are getting very sassy with me when I tell them the "Burning Homestead" quote was tracked in.  I think it is because they do not want to think that their favorite moment of the score, which was an awkward inclusion in the film anyways, was something crammed in by the film makers against Williams intentions.  Oy, why do I bother.  I just wanna stop the spread of misinformation!

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18 hours ago, Michael said:

It's curious how people keep saying hasn't written a memorable theme in the last 20 years or so, but all these people know about The Terminal, Double Trouble, War Horse, Catch Me If You Can and more... It's strangely contradictory for me.


Was thinking the same thing. People who seemingly appreciate the scores to Catch Me If You Can and War Horse would seem to definitely be able to appreciate the TFA score. The fact that some don't is a little surprising to me. 

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How does one respond to this?

 

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Although the film was great and the score equally great, I feel that Abrams didn't push him enough to bring out the simpler, more memorable themes. In his words, "I didn't have to direct John Williams", we see one of his greatest mistakes with the film. Other directors like Lucas and Spielberg would offer constructive criticism and have conversations about what they did and didn't like.

A similar scenario is Jerry Goldsmith's main title theme for Star Trek The Motion Picture (later used for TNG and other films). The first attempt was hardly memorable, and though Robert Wise couldn't tell him specifically what he didn't like, he told him "there's no theme". Once he voiced his complaints, Goldsmith reworked his composition into one of the most well-known themes in sci-fi history. Williams doesn't need to be directed as much as other composers, but a critical ear and conversation can bring out the best in his work, and Abrams was simply afraid to do that.

 

This is unbelievable. Just unbelievable, and yet there you have it.

 

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6 hours ago, Taikomochi said:

People on reddit are getting very sassy with me when I tell them the "Burning Homestead" quote was tracked in.  I think it is because they do not want to think that their favorite moment of the score, which was an awkward inclusion in the film anyways, was something crammed in by the film makers against Williams intentions.  Oy, why do I bother.  I just wanna stop the spread of misinformation!

 

If it wasn't tracked in then it may as well have been since the orchestration sounded exactly the same.  They must have made this decision after the sessions were completed.  I'm not sure why some people are thinking otherwise? 

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"Williams worst score of the decade, most underwhelming of his SW albums, and one of the weakest in his career. Much like Kasdan and Lucas, It's time for him to retire now. Although not using the LSO contributed a lot to do this and was a bone headed move for sure. "

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LOL at the review that comment was posted on:

 

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Though we may not have gotten an “epic theme” like for a lightsaber duel or something, and some tracks are harder than others to enjoy outside of the setting of the film, this is in no way a bad score.

 

Is this journalism?  Is this published writing?

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On 03/01/2016 at 8:32 PM, Taikomochi said:

People on reddit are getting very sassy with me when I tell them the "Burning Homestead" quote was tracked in.  I think it is because they do not want to think that their favorite moment of the score, which was an awkward inclusion in the film anyways, was something crammed in by the film makers against Williams intentions.  

 

What's awkward about it? 

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