Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 When I listen to this score and tracks like "Rey's Theme" and "The Falcon", I hear the Williams that composed scores like ESB, The Fury and Black Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Follow Me, The Falcon, and The Rathtars all blend together for me Tracks like The Scavenger and The Jedi Steps really stand out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Follow Me, The Falcon, and The Rathtars all blend together for meTracks like The Scavenger and The Jedi Steps really stand outFunnily those three all feature what I think is Finn's theme, which is the ostinato-figure that also pops up in the Finale suite. I am glad JW gave one of those action ostinatos so frequent in his post-2000 output a thematic significance this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Follow Me, The Falcon, and The Rathtars all blend together for meTracks like The Scavenger and The Jedi Steps really stand outFunnily those three all feature what I think is Finn's theme, which is the ostinato-figure that also pops up in the Finale suite.And it just makes me grin hearing the Kylo/First Order motif segue into that! I love Williams' sense of humor and optimism there. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Finn's theme is fun! I'm guessing the more heroic swell that pops up now and then is Poe's theme?Oh and apparently the US Army Field got an arrangement of "Scherzo for X-Wings" from John Williams in advance for performance! They're pretty good actually.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m1M8VEEssc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Dude, really? http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25891 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Woops, I didn't see that! I'm only looking at the "Recent Posts" and trying to catch up on those, and this got drowned by the others.Ignore my post then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 It's all good my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, this is the chronological order of the OST: 01 Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village02 The Scavenger04 Rey Meets BB-803 I Can Fly Anything05 Follow Me07 The Falcon08 That Girl With The Staff09 The Rathtars!17 Snoke11 Maz's Counsel10 Finn's Confession12 The Starkiller13 Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle14 The Abduction15 Han And Leia18 On the Inside19 Torn Apart20 The Ways Of The Force21 Scherzo For X-Wings22 Farewell And The Trip23 The Jedi Steps and Finale CONCERT ARRANGEMENTS:06 Rey’s Theme16 March of the ResistanceIsn't Scherzo For X-Wings a concert arrangement too? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 You have amazing timing, I was just about to post that. it kind of fills the spot of an unreleased cue in that spot on the OST but yes, I think it is. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 As others have said, I think one key to really enjoying this OST is listening for Rey's theme in all it's forms. The parts are harder to identify than the classic OT motifs but Rey's theme is used extensively thoughout the CD and really gets a good workout thematically. It seems to accompany all sorts of different moods and scenes. Maybe it's a flaw that this theme is not so easy to grasp initially or maybe JW wanted something that is more varied and kind of grows as you listen. I can't say until I see the film later today. The cue titled Rey's Theme seems to defy JW's usual way of presenting a theme, it's denser and kind of wandering, like the theme itself is trying to convey a journey which would make a lot of sense actually. It is a shame that the best development of Rey's theme (from the abc tv spot) only comes once and at the end. If that was where her theme started out, I think we'd all be having very different reactions to the memorability of this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Is that bit from the TV spot in fact her theme? It didn't seem that way to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranders65 65 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Okay, I totally may have missed someone already pointing this out, but just noticed during the End Credits a small bit that comes straight out of that first teaser from last year (the section right after Finn shows up on screen and on) - it's just a few seconds, but it starts at about 4:57-5:06. Looks like it's developed into what I'm assuming we're saying is Finn's motif (don't see the movie until tonight so I'm going on what everyone else is saying on that one!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Is that bit from the TV spot in fact her theme? It didn't seem that way to me.It definitely sounds related or a new development of Rey's theme to me. Listen to how Rey's theme is presented on The Scavenger and then listen to that bit of music in the final track. It sounds like JW is building on Rey's theme there. I could be wrong, and I haven't seen the film yet. On another note, it's just so strange to me that thus far, no action cues are among the highlights on this album. Even the X-Wing track isn't doing much for me. I feel like TPM score had very clear, fun to listen to action music while this score's action music lacks some key ingredients. Maybe it will all make more sense in the film though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 "Follow Me" and "The Falcon" are two halves of one continuous sequence of music. It's a shame Williams chose not to combine them together for the OST - and not even that, but break them up with a concert arrangement in between!This makes sense! Gonna swap Rey's theme to the end to listen back to back. The action music keeps getting better and better for me. Liking the Finn stuff a lot. I don't think any of this action music is JW on auto-pilot at ALL. Totally opposite. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 On another note, it's just so strange to me that thus far, no action cues are among the highlights on this album. Even the X-Wing track isn't doing much for me. I feel like TPM score had very clear, fun to listen to action music while this score's action music lacks some key ingredients. Maybe it will all make more sense in the film though. I agree with you there. Looking at all the tracks on the CD I like the most, none of them are action tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The brass in this album is stellar. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Does anyone else agree that the performance on Jedi Steps and Finale is stellar? Probably the best performance in the whole album, particularly the brass. Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Currently trying to identify the themes featured in the End credits and finding where they appears on the other tracks. That's A lot of new music to digest!Faleel is your friend:http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25879&p=1201923Rough version of TFA:Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village0:08 Luke's Theme A Section0:26 Luke's Theme B Section0:49 Luke's Theme A Section4:20 Kylo Ren's Theme5:32 Kylo Ren's Theme6:13 Kylo Ren's ThemeThe Scavenger0:38 Rey's Theme?0:53 Rey's Theme (Intro)1:31 Rey's Theme (Main Theme)1:59 Rey's Theme (Intro)2:54 Rey's ThemeI Can Fly Anything1:19 Rey's ThemeRey Meets BB-80:00 BB-8 motif?Follow Me1:12 Finn's/Action Motif1:41 Finn's/Action Motif2:00 Finn's/Action Motif2:29 Rebel FanfareRey's Theme0:00 Rey's Theme (Flute Intro)0:13 Rey's Theme (Intro)0:33 Rey's Theme1:00 Rey's Theme (Intro)1:21 Rey's Theme1:40 Rey's Theme1:54 Rey's Theme (Intro)2:13 Rey's Theme2:39 Rey's Theme (Intro)The Falcon0:08 Rebel Fanfare0:11 Finn's/Action Motif0:50 Finn's/Action Motif1:00 Finn's/Action Motif1:19 Finn's/Action Motif2:26 Finn's/Action Motif2:39 The Snow Battle Reference?3:06 Finn's/Action Motif (Strings)?That Girl With the Staff0:08 Luke and Leia?0:20 Rey's ThemeThe Rathtars!0:44 Luke's Theme A Section2:47 Finn's/Action Motif3:06 Finn's/Action Motif3:43 Rebel FanfareFinn's Confession0:00 Discussion and Confrontation (Talk of Podracing Reference)0:48 Rey's Theme1:00 Rey's Theme1:17 Rey's ThemeMaz's Counsel2:14 The Force Theme2:40 Rey's ThemeKylo Ren Arrives at the Battle0:00 Dark Side (Carrying Home Mother Reference)?0:51 Kylo Ren's Theme1:17 Kylo Ren's Theme1:29 Kylo Ren's Theme1:43 Rey's ThemeThe Abduction0:13 Unknown 1 (Starkiller Base)?0:45 Kylo Ren's Theme0:57 Kylo Ren's Theme1:18 The Force Theme (Fragment)?1:39 Rey's ThemeHan and Leia0:03 Luke's Theme A Section0:10 Leia's Theme0:29 Han Solo and the Princess (Luke To The Rescue Lift)1:12 Resistance March2:22 The Force Theme (Fragment)?2:31 Rebel Fanfare (Fragment)?3:25 Han Solo and the Princess3:44 Unknown 1 (Starkiller Base)?4:02 The Force ThemeMarch of the Resistance0:15 Resistance MarchSnoke1:01 Snoke's Theme (Dark Side motif from ROTS?)On the Inside0:45 Kylo Ren's Theme1:04 Kylo Ren's Theme1:27 Rey's ThemeTorn Apart1:06 The Force Theme (Fragment)?2:48 Kylo Ren's Theme3:13 The Force Theme3:44 Kylo Ren's Theme3:52 Rey's ThemeThe Ways of the Force0:13 The Force Theme0:33 Rey's Theme0:53 Rey's Theme1:08 Unknown 1 (Starkiller Base)?1:21 Kylo Ren's Theme1:35 Kylo Ren's Theme1:50 The Force Theme2:08 Rey's Theme2:38 The Force Theme2:52 Rey's ThemeScherzo for X-Wings0:14 Luke's Theme A Section0:32 Luke's Theme A Section0:50 Luke's Theme A Section1:04 Luke's Theme A Section1:19 Luke's Theme A Section (Fragment)1:34 Luke's Theme A Section (Fragment)2:03 Luke's Theme A Section2:07 The Force ThemeFarewell and the Trip0:11 Rey's Theme0:47 The Force Theme1:26 Rey's Theme1:49 Han Solo and the Princess2:12 The Force Theme2:55 Leia's Theme3:45 Rebel Fanfare3:51 Luke's Theme A Section4:03 Rey's Theme (Flute Intro)4:07 Rey's Theme4:34 Rey's Theme (Flute Intro)The Jedi Steps and Finale0:04 Luke's Theme A Section0:19 Rey's Theme/Luke's Theme Hybrid?0:41 Rey's Theme/Luke's Theme Hybrid?1:10 Rey's Theme/Luke's Theme Hybrid?1:37 The Force Theme2:14 Luke's Theme A Section2:23 Rebel Fanfare2:29 The Rolling Thunder2:41 Luke's Theme A Section2:58 Rey's Theme (Intro)3:02 Rey's Theme (Flute Intro)3:11 Rey's Theme4:01 Rey's Theme (Flute Intro)4:25 Unknown 1 (Starkiller Base?)4:45 Kylo Ren's Theme5:02 Finn's/Action Motif6:05 Resistance March7:27 The Force Theme7:31 Rey's Theme8:07 Rebel Fanfare8:22 Rey's Theme8:34 Luke's Theme A Section Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I LOVE the action version of Rey's theme in I Can Fly AnythingYeah, right now I Can Fly Anything might be my favorite action cue on the entire album. The use of Rey's theme gives all the music something to coalesce around in a way that even Finn's theme doesn't quite manage. But I just put Follow Me and The Falcon back to back to see if that helps them make more sense musically. Taikomochi and Demondm810 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 It took me awhile to warm to the action. Finns theme being so busy doesn't help. But once I got used to his and Rey's music, the action tracks have soooo much character.End credits are perfection in bringing together the entire album. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm sure I'll like everything more once I see the film. Demondm810 and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm sure I'll like everything more once I see the film.Me too. Hours away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted December 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2015 I think this album has the best ending of any Williams album. I mean the actual ending, the last bars of the credits. Fantastic coda, very fresh. Muad'Dib, Not Mr. Big and Joni Wiljami 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I haven't heard it but nothing will ever beat E.T.s untouchable send off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm sure I'll like everything more once I see the film.Yeah a big question is how the music serves the film. I think when we listen to just the CD release we sometimes think JW is just writing Star Wars music on its own but really he's a master of writing the right music for that particular scene. I'm kind of surprised by how many people don't enjoy the Snoke track, considering that scene is likely filled with dialogue, it makes sense that the music has to do less in a sense and yet I love the choral work on that track. It's very menacing and you can actually hear the articulation of the sanskrit words. It's not just a choral drone backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I think this album has the best ending of any Williams album. I mean the actual ending, the last bars of the credits. Fantastic coda, very fresh.It's quite beautiful. If it is indeed Williams' last SW score, that's a wonderful sendoff. Not Mr. Big and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The little brass pile-up is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Fantastic coda, very fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Just finished my first listen now. Was extremely busy the last few days had no time at all.My general impression is that it is slightly disappointing. I don't know what I was expecting, but after four consecutive punches of War Horse, Tintin, Lincoln and Book Thief, this is the first franchise score he has written, so it of course all felt familiar.None of the new themes immediately grabbed me. Rey's Theme misled us all. I was already so attached to the idea of the TV spot snippet being Rey's Theme that it took me a couple of listens of the track just to get over that. It is a decent theme but strangely sounds like a Marvel theme and somewhat like Menken's prologue theme from Beauty And The Beast of all things!The Resistance theme as someone stated here came off as a villainous theme to me.Its good but I don't know. Needs way more listens and the context of the film to fully grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I had promised I would only listen to Rey's theme, as I'm receiving this for Christmas.However, that plan went out the window (the 'not listening' part) when, as you said, it turned not to be Rey's theme. I will still wait until the 25th for the CD.I'd say it's really entertaining for the most part, albeit with a few moments in the middle that don't seem to do much (seems that way with most scores). I'm liking Rey's theme a lot. One disappointing aspect for me is probably the lack of multiple hummable themes besides Rey's and the TV spot one. That may change with further listens.Right now, not having heard the full album yet, it's 4/5 stars from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I don't get the hype for Scherzo For X-Wing. It's main theme fragments connected by random Williams action music.As a whole, it's a better franchise score than Crystal Skull was because it's more consistent, but Crystal Skull has better themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I like Scherzo, and I Can Fly Anything rocks.Disagree about the KotCS themes - mostly forgettable for me. That score has more standout highlights, but I think TFA is more consistent, with less dull areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Of course they say. This is JWfanHummable themes? That is so 70's. I like these better scores for the film. I hate this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 That's... good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Could all the action cues be called Variations on Jango's Escape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Could all the action cues be called Variations on Jango's EscapeRight-click -> "Rename" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, this is the chronological order of the OST: 01 Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village02 The Scavenger04 Rey Meets BB-803 I Can Fly Anything05 Follow Me07 The Falcon08 That Girl With The Staff09 The Rathtars!17 Snoke11 Maz's Counsel10 Finn's Confession12 The Starkiller13 Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle14 The Abduction15 Han And Leia18 On the Inside19 Torn Apart20 The Ways Of The Force21 Scherzo For X-Wings22 Farewell And The Trip23 The Jedi Steps and Finale CONCERT ARRANGEMENTS:06 Rey’s Theme16 March of the ResistanceI know that the beginning of Rey Meets BB-8 is used later in the film as part of Farewell and the Trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The greatest legacy of this soundtrack will be, or at the least should be, that the real way of film scoring can still be compatible with the modern cinematic style. I hope it inspires some young classical music students to bring their knowledge and write traditional symphonic music for Hollywood, a la James Horner tedfud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Music officially conducted by John Williams and Williams Ross.... and Gustavo Dudamel...Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Damien F 1,742 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm sure I'll like everything more once I see the film.That's what happened for me. Whatever about the listening experience on the OST, the music works very very well in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I had an Awakening with this film. I saw it before I heard the score, first time in my life. I am going to do it that way every time from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I had an Awakening with this film. I saw it before I heard the score, first time in my life. I am going to do it that way every time from now on.It's a first for me too. And it was a good call. I came back from the midnight screening, went to sleep, and the soundtrack arrived first thing in the morning. Just perfect.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Could anybody point out to me track times where Rey's Theme is used in counterpoint with the Force Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedfud 38 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The greatest legacy of this soundtrack will be, or at the least should be, that the real way of film scoring can still be compatible with the modern cinematic style. I hope it inspires some young classical music students to bring their knowledge and write traditional symphonic music for Hollywood, a la James Hornerwhat he saidt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfan 128 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Listened to Ren's Theme on my walk to work this morning. It has a few similarities to Victor Navorski's Theme from "The Terminal" and Going to School from "Memoirs of a Geisha".I haven't heard the whole album yet, but I thought it was mentioned a few months back that Williams had an operatic song for the film. Is there anything else besides "Snope's Theme" that features vocal parts?In the second trailer we had the force theme with high voices - were those all sythesized just for the trailer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I haven't heard the whole album yet, but I thought it was mentioned a few months back that Williams had an operatic song for the film. Is there anything else besides "Snope's Theme" that features vocal parts?It appears that was bullshit. Sounded cool, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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