BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Having just listened to the soundtrack for the first time, Rey's Theme more than makes up for the score's action music shortcomings - in fact, it blasts the rest of 2015's film music out of the water.Also, is the Force theme rehash during the pivotal moment in the duel not on the album? Or did I miss it?Since it's a direct lift, I hate how it worked quite well in the film.Or is that the original version that's on the album?Apparently, the OST features the original version of that cue in the track The Ways Of The Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Anyone else think the March of the Resistance theme is missing an extra statement at the start before it detours away into that rising emphatic phrase? It doesn't stick with you as a theme as a result, I find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Has anyone mentioned the big misdirect they pulled with the 60minutes overtime segment. "This is how the new star wars movie begins", J.J saying it literally makes the opening of the movie, and then they used a completely different version. Well at least they have an extra opening or two up their sleeves should the unthinkable occur before Eps VIII and IX are scored. I didn't notice anything different about that bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Having started my deeper analysis, I'm just amazed at the level of motivic intricacy in this score.Again, it really does revolve a lot around the interval of a minor third, as if that interval symbolizes the awakening of the Force: It permeates almost all the new themes and motifs, and is generally present as an undercurrent in all the secondary propulsive material.The cue "The Abduction" is a good case in point, built mostly on Kylo Ren's tragic motif (at 00.13, whereas his main motif is heard at 00.47) and the climactic part of Rey's theme (at ca. 01.20), both centered around a minor 3rd. (Again, a case of "opposing" motifs being related)Most of the harmonic underscore in this cue is also centered around that same interval.And it just dawned on me that "The Starkiller" is all about minor 3rd relations... And then, of course, there's Snoke's music... Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The Resistance theme as someone stated here came off as a villainous theme to me.Perhaps because it is a villainous theme. Williams did call the Resistance a "radical group" in the Tavis Smiley interview. Perhaps Abrams told him something about Episode 8. It would be great to hear an extended, fully developed Williams Fugue for Orchestra, or a prelude and fugue for piano. He did mention Bach prominently in the interview... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's definitely harmonically related to the Force theme.I too was a non-believer from the commercial bit. I just needed to hear it in musical context. Context is everything!It's theme for the Jedi Steps of course! It's surely related to the Force theme and to my ears shares also something with Rey's theme. But we also get some shades of Vader's theme, and given how it accompanies the scene I realized it could be a new theme for Luke himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas 112 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Recieve my copy today.Deluxe edition, but it's not a deluxe OST/soundtrack.Its OK but not more. I miss some recognizable tracks. Best track, End credits for me. Hope BFG is better and wesee a better score on Episode 8/9 Sorry!Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Sorry!Yeah, you better be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm really in love with Rey's theme. How many sub-sections are in that one? 4? It's probably the most intricate "soaring" JW theme ever Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted December 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've been excited to see people turn around from "It's just ok" on early listens to a much more positive feeling on subsequent listens. Mine is coming today, but I'm not going to listen to the score until after I see the movie tomorrow morning. Bespin, Taikomochi and mrbellamy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Personally, I'd have been disappointed and bored had this score comprised of more "recognizable tracks". The original material has been recycled ENOUGH at this point. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yeah I love seeing opinions here turn from wrong to right. I always have front row seats for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Personally, I'd have been disappointed and bored had this score comprised of more "recognizable tracks". The original material has been recycled ENOUGH at this point.Amen to that! This latest chapter is about introducing NEW heroes and NEW villains. It's nice to thematically ground it in the past, but it's time to move on. We already have (arguably) 6 fantastic Star Wars scores with PLENTY of themes, so it's good to have something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Does is the melody heard at the 5:23 mark of Jedi Steps and Finale reprised anywhere else in the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Could very well be the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Is Kyle Rey's Theme the 4-note calling card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Kylo Ren's theme is quite obvious:Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village4:20 Kylo Ren's Theme5:32 Kylo Ren's Theme6:13 Kylo Ren's Theme Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle0:51 Kylo Ren's Theme1:17 Kylo Ren's Theme1:29 Kylo Ren's Theme The Abduction0:45 Kylo Ren's Theme0:57 Kylo Ren's Themeetchttp://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25879&p=1201923 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Is Kyle Rey's Theme the 4-note calling card?It's usually five notes; 5-#4-1-b3-5 (lower octave), whereas his "tragedy motif" is eight; b3 repeated five times-2-2-maj7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Is Kyle Rey's Theme the 4-note calling card?It's usually five notes; 5-#4-1-b3-5 (lower octave), whereas his "tragedy motif" is eight; b3 repeated five times-2-2-maj7.Does the "tragedy" motif inform Starkiller and Torn Apart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Not really, but both are infused with the omnipresent interval of a minor 3rd, which seems to be the cornerstone of the entire score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I often see the comment that this score has No hummable theme.I wonder why I've started to hum a part of "The Jedi Steps" earlier today!Williams did it again... once more.We're doomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's curious how a lot the nay-sayers around the net keeping calling this "old-fashioned" just because it's orchestral. At most is 20th century old-fashioned, which isn't that old, but I'd say it's quite modern -maybe not in terms of contemporary film music, but more in a concert hall style. I say this compared to the original Star Wars which is more inspired on the works of the 19th century composers and previous. But it seems that just because it's orchestral, it's deemed as old-school, and personally I don't hear that at all, in the best possible sense.It's like when Joss Whedon said he hired Silvestri for Avengers because of his old-fashioned sensibilities. Um, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm really in love with Rey's theme. How many sub-sections are in that one? 4? It's probably the most intricate "soaring" JW theme everThere are definitely a lot of working parts to the theme. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 After extended listening and seeing the film. Dare I say JW's best OST...ever? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's curious how a lot the nay-sayers around the net keeping calling this "old-fashioned" just because it's orchestral. At most is 20th century old-fashioned, which isn't that old, but I'd say it's quite modern -maybe not in terms of contemporary film music, but more in a concert hall style. I say this compared to the original Star Wars which is more inspired on the works of the 19th century composers and previous. But it seems that just because it's orchestral, it's deemed as old-school, and personally I don't hear that at all, in the best possible sense.It's like when Joss Whedon said he hired Silvestri for Avengers because of his old-fashioned sensibilities. Um, what?I think Star Wars has more in common with the earlier part of the 20th century than the 19th. Korngold, Strauss, Prokofiev, Holst, Elgar and Stravinsky are all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I feel kinda stupid for not latching on to Rey's main melody straight away. It's absolutely gorgeous Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Any speculation as to why Kylo Ren has two themes associated with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 After extended listening and seeing the film. Dare I say JW's best OST...ever?In terms of sequencing, pacing, use of highlights, variety, it does seem to be one of his very best albums. I also just happen to love the score, too Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Any speculation as to why Kylo Ren has two themes associated with him?Williams recently referenced that in an interview. One of them is has a softer side to represent the turmoil in him. His "tragic" motif, as Marcus aptly puts it. The other is a more standard Vader-style villainous theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Having started my deeper analysis, I'm just amazed at the level of motivic intricacy in this score.Again, it really does revolve a lot around the interval of a minor third, as if that interval symbolizes the awakening of the Force: It permeates almost all the new themes and motifs, and is generally present as an undercurrent in all the secondary propulsive material.The cue "The Abduction" is a good case in point, built mostly on Kylo Ren's tragic motif (at 00.13, whereas his main motif is heard at 00.47) and the climactic part of Rey's theme (at ca. 01.20), both centered around a minor 3rd. (Again, a case of "opposing" motifs being related)Most of the harmonic underscore in this cue is also centered around that same interval.And it just dawned on me that "The Starkiller" is all about minor 3rd relations... And then, of course, there's Snoke's music...Marcus I love reading your insights into this score. Are you planning to write a full analysis of some sort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So, is Ren's 5 note motif Close Encounters inverted or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Nope.NEXT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 After further analysis, are the End Credits edited from earlier cues on the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yes or no, you are the one who did the analyses. What is your conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So, is Ren's 5 note motif Close Encounters inverted or what?Nah.The Close Encounters motif is built around a P5. Ren's theme is built around a minor triad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yes or no, you are the one who did the analyses. What is your conclusion? lol, it was a badly worded question to someone else who did the analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Kyle's 5-note motif reminds me of the tragic 4-note motif used in Rosewood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 why does nobody talk about Farewell and the TripIt might be the most JW track on the albumIs it the first half of the Finale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 That track has an awesome statement of the Force theme. And it scores the end of the climax and part of the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 After further analysis, are the End Credits edited from earlier cues on the album?No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 so is there any unreleased music in the Finale?or is it a combo of tracks 22-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Any speculation as to why Kylo Ren has two themes associated with him?Because Williams pulled a Shore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So, is Ren's 5 note motif Close Encounters inverted or what? Nah.The Close Encounters motif is built around a P5. Ren's theme is built around a minor triad.I wasn't being serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Ah...in that case, you were right! I'm sure the Mothership will pop up somewhere in the next dozen SW films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 No wait I was being completely serious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Snoke is the weakest track on the album by far because it's almost identical to Palpatine's teachings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 No. Palpatine's Teachings was a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Also, Scherzo for X-Wings starts out pretty rollicking, but the second half is noticeably slower than the first. If it's a concert arrangement, then the visuals aren't a constraint on the pacing—it's just dragging.Its a film cue.Hmm, saw the film again last night and don't remember hearing the second half of Scherzo for X-Wings (the slow stuff) anywhere. It's really a film cue? The ending sounds very concert-like to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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