Thor 7,504 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 OK, back from the film and some general comments on the music: First of all, I was a BIT disappointed by the score. The keyword here, I think, is "whimsical". There's a LOT of rhytmic and energetic stuff with all the usual Williams trademarks, but if you want thematic setpieces like a "The Asteroid Field" or "The Forest Battle" or whatever, you won't find it. In fact, the most striking theme was the "rebel" theme (also in the way it appeared in the film). In that case, it has a lot in common with INDY 4. Rey's theme had some nice renditions -- especially of the more pastoral kind (an extension of what you heard in the TV spot) when she is first introduced. Finn's theme and Kylo Ren's theme are more motivic than thematic, IMO. A big treat was the appearance of the original themes -- they're almost used more extensively than in the first six films. The "Force" theme appearances were undoubtedly those that made the biggest impression. There is dark choral music for one particular scene, but it's not in the big, overt "Duel of the Fates" kind. More like the choral music for Palpatine in REVENGE OF THE SITH. To be fair, I think the music will fare much better on album. At least I hope so. It's mixed fairly high in the film, but there's still a lot getting lost in the sound mix. Bespin and anironwaffle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Did you stay in the theater and listen to the entire end credits? If so, what is your impression of the music there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I will keep Thor's assessment in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I love Williams in whimsical mode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 To be fair, I think this "whimsicality" (is that even a word?) was more engaging here than in INDY 4. But we are clearly hearing a more contemporary Williams here who isnt' exactly the same as in 1977. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Definitely no thematic set-piece cues in there then, Thor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 To be fair, I think this "whimsicality" (is that even a word?) was more engaging here than in INDY 4. But we are clearly hearing a more contemporary Williams here who isnt' exactly the same as in 1977.As expected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Were there any Imperial March references? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Reading this and waiting for the OST is painful...I want to form my own opinion! SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Did you notice the Abrams/Miranda cantina song at all, Thor? What's that like?Also were these details from last summer true or BS? Mainly curious if there's anything like the "cantilena" and "jazzy/big band" pieces they described: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25417 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 yeah I want to know about the Cellar Song that will be wasting 4 minutes of the OSt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Reading this and waiting for the OST is painful...I want to form my own opinion!Keep an open mind, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 So Rey's theme is as we heard it in the ABC TV spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Oh yeah KM, forgot about that. How close is this arrangement to what's actually in the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Were there any Imperial March references?Spoilers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Definitely no thematic set-piece cues in there then, Thor?Yes, a couple. The "rebel" theme, in particular.Were there any Imperial March references?One. You've already seen the scene in the trailer.So Rey's theme is as we heard it in the ABC TV spot?Yes, but it goes on a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The talk about the score actually has me excited for it.There's no tracked-in music in TFA, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The talk about the score actually has me excited for it.There's no tracked-in music in TFA, right?Do you mean from the previous 6 films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 So how does it compare to Michael Giacchino's Star Trek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Ah, the song. Yes, it appears in a cantina scene (as everyone knows), and it's a nod to the cantina music that Williams wrote for the first film, with some of the same type of instruments. But not as memorable. And it's far more in the background for most of the scene. Nothing to write home about, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Ah, the song. Yes, it appears in a cantina scene (as everyone knows), and it's a nod to the cantina music that Williams wrote for the first film, with some of the same type of instruments. But not as memorable. And it's far more in the background for most of the scene. Nothing to write home about, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Ah, the song. Yes, it appears in a cantina scene (as everyone knows), and it's a nod to the cantina music that Williams wrote for the first film, with some of the same type of instruments. But not as memorable. And it's far more in the background for most of the scene. Nothing to write home about, IMO.Alas important enough to be put on the album. Will Tasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Ah, the song. Yes, it appears in a cantina scene (as everyone knows), and it's a nod to the cantina music that Williams wrote for the first film, with some of the same type of instruments. But not as memorable. And it's far more in the background for most of the scene. Nothing to write home about, IMO.Alas important enough to be put on the album.I think it has the potential to break up some of the intense action music on album. Unless it's the last track, of course (I forgot the track title sequence). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 01. Main Title and the Attack on the Jakku Village (6:25)02. The Scavenger (3:39)03. I Can Fly Anything (3:11)04. Rey Meets BB-8 (1:31)05. Follow Me (2:54)06. Rey’s Theme (3:11)07. The Falcon (3:32)08. That Girl With The Staff (1:58)09. The Rathtars! (4:05)10. Finn’s Confession (2:08)11. Maz’s Counsel (3:07)12. The Starkiller (1:51)13. Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle (2:01)14. The Abduction (2:25)15. Han And Leia (4:41)16. March of the Resistance (2:35)17. Snoke (2:03)18. On the Inside (2:05)19. Torn Apart (4:19)20. The Ways Of The Force (3:14)21. Scherzo For X-Wings (2:32)22. Farewell And The Trip (4:55)23. The Jedi Steps And Finale (8:51) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 it must be The Rathars, one of the longest tracks on the c.d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 So is the stuff in reel 7 as good as Williams hoped it would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 As I've said before, I'm sure its only a PORTION of the Rathtars track, like the IJKOCS Peru source music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Tasker 21 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Tempted to buy this, track by track as a digital release and skip over that cantina track, solely to keep money out of JJ's pocket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 How was the choral stuff? Is there more choral material than the Sanskrit stuff for Snoke? Also: How prominent are the new themes in comparison to the old ones? Surely most of it is new? Or can we count out an Oscar nomination here due to too much use of old material. What do you think Thor? Maybe it is hard to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foundling 11 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 If it is action driven, what we heard in the short clip released a few weeks ago was pretty good. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 "Scherzo for X-Wings"?Is it anything like "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra" from IJTLC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 "Scherzo for X-Wings"?Is it anything like "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra" from IJTLC?The latter includes orchestra. mstrox and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Totally forgot about the scherzo, what's that one like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 We've pretty much heard it. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 How was the choral stuff? Is there more choral material than the Sanskrit stuff for Snoke? Also: How prominent are the new themes in comparison to the old ones? Surely most of it is new? Or can we count out an Oscar nomination here due to too much use of old material. What do you think Thor? Maybe it is hard to say?No, not more choral music than the Snoke stuff (which sounds like that choral music that plays as Palpatine and Anakin discuss things at the theater or whatever it is).It's hard to say anything about the balance between new and old stuff. The old themes appeared in fragments throughout the whole film (for relevant moments). The album will give us a clue.Looking at the track titles that Jay posted, I'd say the "Scherzo for X-Wings" is a definite highlight. And the last track.Oh, and there's a FUGUE here too, I forgot that. But it's in the middle of an action sequence. "Abduction", maybe? Lewya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 So Snoke's music sounds like Palpatine's Teachings.(ugh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 So Snoke's music sounds like Palpatine's Teachings.(ugh)Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 "Scherzo for X-Wings"?Is it anything like "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra" from IJTLC?The latter includes orchestra.Yeah, but I think it would be funny to see an X-Wing parked inside a concert hall ready to play its solo part for the track (along with the rest of the orchestra, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 This is sounding not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 So the Lucasfilm logo really just plays SILENTLY, with no music at all?Then why the F did Disney put that horrid ESB End Credits edit underneath it for the digital versions of the old films?AND WHY DIDN'T DISNEY ASK JOHN WILLIAMS TO WRITE A BRAND NEW PIECE FOR THE LUCASFILM LOGO TO PREMIERE WITH THIS FILM?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 This is sounding not good.I think it will be very well liked, hopefully including myself, and I think the album will give us a much better overview of the score. This is just first impressions from watching the film once (from one guy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm sure we'll be scrambling for the unreleased music the minute the OST is released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I've never seen a Williams-scored film where I didn't notice something cool in the score that wasn't on the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 So the Lucasfilm logo really just plays SILENTLY, with no music at all?Then why the F did Disney put that horrid ESB End Credits edit underneath it for the digital versions of the old films?AND WHY DIDN'T DISNEY ASK JOHN WILLIAMS TO WRITE A BRAND NEW PIECE FOR THE LUCASFILM LOGO TO PREMIERE WITH THIS FILM??Yeah, and then we'd get one by JJ Baby and Lin-Manuel Miranda because Williams would rather do the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I've never seen a Williams-scored film where I didn't notice something cool in the score that wasn't on the albumWhat about Saving Private Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Hey that might be the one exception! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Amistad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Never seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 There's cool unreleased stuff in Amistad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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