DarthDementous 1,275 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Before I got to listen to this track in full (I had already seen the movie) I saw that people were underwhelmed and disappointed by this which in turn disappointed me because I thought this would be one of the most stand out tracks. However, when I listened to it boy was I wrong. From the moment the main theme of it started playing I fell in love with it, to me this is an instant classic that belongs up with the best of the Star Wars themes. It just perfectly characterizes the Rebellion in a grand militaristic way and the concert rendition at the end was even better. Seems like a bit of an inversion of the Imperial March yet it also feels like an extension of the Rebel Fanfare just... so good. Can't wait for a track analysis of this. P.S. The sound of the instruments in the main theme sounds so perfectly OT for this as well. curlytoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,305 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Definitely one of my least favorite tracks on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,780 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 My opinion of it has improved since watching the movie but it is still one of my least favourite themes in the saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The way it modulates upward to that V chord at 0:23 makes me cringe. Sounds like something out of The Adventures of Mutt.It's really grown on me, though. Parts of it sound like it was something he dusted off after pulling off his shelf from right next to the NBC News suite. And I don't think there's ever been a theme developed as a straight-up baroque fugue in all of Star Wars, the way it does from 1:12-1:45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MissPadmé 17 Posted December 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just great how different opinions and tastes can be... easily one of my favourite tracks from the Album (up there with the top 5..)I love Williams in "NaziTheme" - "Meet the Press" - Fugal Mode - I cannot understand a bit how poeple can call it weak. I think it does what it's supposed to do very well: being a sort of revoltuionary, militaristic protest march! Daam da dadada... I PERSONALLY prefer it to for example... Battle of the Heroes..AND to almost EVERYTHING from Indy 4.. just my two cenrts steb74, Taikomochi, Darth Crossfader and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,262 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I like it a lot, but I find the opening notes annoyingly loud and disrupting of the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 MissPadme is back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 MissPadme is back?No.. not really - only for a limited amount of posts, Ten maybe, which means... seven remaining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I like this piece. And I typically find militaristic Williams to be the least interesting Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 MissPadme is back?No.. not really - only for a limited amount of posts, Ten maybe, which means... seven remaining! So like...half an hour at most? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,675 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Without a doubt it is the best piece in the soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy 68 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It didn't make a big impression at first, but with every next listen i start to admire it more and more. I don't think it will make a Williams' "classics" list though. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,086 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It sounds very baroque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jamie Dutton 7,663 Posted December 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2015 Definitely sounds like 1970s John Williams! karelm, mbrannon47, Koray Savas and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,750 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 There was a march? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuBen_Kenobi 20 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Definitely sounds like 1970s John Williams!Cool! Good catch! I like the theme, althought I think it is the one that sounds less "Starwarsy" of the new ones. mbrannon47 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,878 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I thought it was kind of a mess on first listen. It was difficult to make sense of the melody and the fugal aspect seemed to get in the way more than enhance it. I figured it was a piece I'd just ignore, but I tried a second listen and I thought "Hm...this is actually pretty cool." Gave it a third, fourth listen and by then it got stuck in my head. Now I can't stop listening to it. It's weirdly addictive for me.Interestingly, I felt the same way about Rey's Theme, which similarly felt poorly organized to me on first listen. I wasn't sure those three ideas gelled together, but I figured it out on the second listen and now I'm smitten with that too. That said, having seen it now in context with the film, I honestly can understand why people would be underwhelmed by it, especially as a main theme....it's very well-utilized in terms of its placement and variation and is unquestionably the heart of this score, but it may be too modest for this franchise. It doesn't quite scream out at you when directly compared to the other saga themes, and this is coming from someone who was already very familiar with it walking in. On the other hand, it's fitting because I think that sense of modesty is something that courses all through this film in a really wonderful way. Very little about this film called attention to itself and I have to say that for me, I was pretty much blown away by the whole thing.But judging by my first impressions of both these themes and the overall tepid reactions from fans, and also the general reactions to his scores since 2005, I suspect John may be losing the old signature touch to instantly communicate melodies.to an audience throughout a single viewing and have them walking out hooked. But you know, while that was always his greatest magic trick, it's not everything because I'm also baffled at the idea that these aren't "hummable" in any way or that he phoned it in somehow. These do completely have their own crafty logic to them, both musically and as they're presented in the film, and they get enough standout moments as to be recognizable and establish specific connections. I think as people get to know the film and score, it'll sort itself out even if it may not change the consensus that it's his weakest effort of the 7.(this is really more for the Score In Film thread I now realize, but I just came back from the movie and had to spill somewhere ) Sharkissimo and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 966 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The true test will be when Rey's theme is played on cellos, don't recall that type of variation in the score. Only then will we know how it holds up. The Resistance theme is cool as hell. As I mentioned in another thread, it's sounds like Mahler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,305 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I dunno, the film only reinforced that it sounds more to me like a villainous theme than a heroic theme.It made me wonder if they are setting up a reversal of the First Order and the Resistance in the next film, and Williams was keyed into that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,748 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 it sounds cool, one of the best tracks on the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,262 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It seems like there is absolutely no consensus about this piece with opinions all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,748 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 As for the rest of the albumI can;t make up my mind about the action cues. They seem pretty unmemorable (Follow Me, The Falcon..ect..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The March is alright. It's a grower I think, but still pretty by-the-numbers for Williams.This score isn't so strong in the action department. But "The Falcon" is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,305 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The action tracks remain for me to be the least interesting tracks on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,878 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The action in general was definitely one of my bigger musical disappointments, especially in the first half. Especially because there were a few spots where the film was totally kicking all sorts of ass and JW wasn't doing anything too special with it. There were good bits here and there, but I think he missed some great opportunities. But I felt better about the score as it headed toward the conclusion, with the old themes coming in very nicely and the new stuff finding its footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The action in each of the prequels at least had distinctive personalities of their own, with some awesome setpieces. TFA sadly lacks that. The Chase Through the Coruscant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,305 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The action in each of the prequels at least had distinctive personalities of their own, with some awesome setpieces. TFA sadly lacks that.Yes, that's how I feel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 966 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 What about cues like "The Falcon"? Also, I sorta liked that Williams rebranded the Rebel theme for the Falcon in this movie. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,305 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I REALLY didn't like that. It made no sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The Falcon is fun, but even that isn't really distinctive enough compared to the other SW scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,262 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I think "Follow Me" and "The Falcon" would have benefited a lot from being merged as one track, at which point they become a pretty cool merging of Finn's theme and the Rebel fanfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,748 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 i still don't know what Finn's theme is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Finn's theme is that action motif from "The Falcon" and "Follow Me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,262 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yeah, it's not quite a theme. I still like it a lot, either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 966 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It didn't make a big impression at first, but with every next listen i start to admire it more and more. I don't think it will make a Williams' "classics" list though.The moment it first appears in the movie is great too. There's that great moment of anticipation when Han, Chewie and Finn are captured and they all look out on the water to see a hazy mist and you know exactly what it is. Then the music kicks in. Stellar musical moment with a theme that stands out and owns that scene. It's a fun theme too.Finn's theme is that action motif from "The Falcon" and "Follow Me".It's also in "The Rathtars!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,941 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The March plays way better in the movie than alone on the soundtrack. It works really well for the 2 major scenes it plays over. It just has the right energy for those moments. My opinion of the march has grown a lot since seeing the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,828 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I on the other hand think the march works very well on the album in the fleshed out form of the concert suite. Works well in the film as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Been humming the March all morning new.I agree with some that it feels like it should belong with the First Order rather then the Resistance in a way. Because it reminds me a lot of the Nazi theme in Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,941 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Been humming the March all morning new.I agree with some that it feels like it should belong with the First Order rather then the Resistance in a way. Because it reminds me a lot of the Nazi theme in Raiders.I felt this way initially before seeing the film. The march has a certain bad guy quality to it. But after seeing the film, it definitely works to accompany what's happening on screen, so much so that the bad guy vibe I had initially completely went away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,878 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I love it over that shot of the X-Wings flying over the water. Really gets the adrenaline pumping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,828 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The theme reminds me of some of JW's music for NBC News (not the Mission theme) and his theme for the NBC Sunday Night Football but it is more fugal in progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So is it a march, or a fugue? Or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Fugue Of The Resistance doesn't sound as cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,494 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Stefan's checking because I've literally just called it one to him on whatsapp a minute ago. That was after he told me that this theme isn't even for the bad guys! WTF? Anyway, some people don't like this??? What more do you want? It's absolutely fantastic in my view, I was blasting it on my way to work this morning.Is there a counterpoint in there though? Winds, perhaps? I was so fixated on the fabulous brass line that I didn't notice at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 158 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's very enjoyable on its own, but as a mix of Black Sunday and Ron Goodwin it took me out of the film a bit.Surprised nobody has put this link up yet: Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The entrance of the march is awesome in the credits.But really one could spend all day pointing out a lot short awesome snippets though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,125 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The trumpets that herald Ren's arrival in the opening track are fucking spectacular. Those were literally the words that went through my head in the cinema when that moment happened. Bad-fucking-ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,750 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The trumpets that herald Ren's arrival in the opening track are fucking spectacular. Those were literally the words that went through my head in the cinema when that moment happened. Bad-fucking-ass!You said "The trumpets that herald Ren's arrival in the opening track are fucking spectacular" out loud in the theater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,663 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The trumpets that herald Ren's arrival in the opening track are fucking spectacular. Those were literally the words that went through my head in the cinema when that moment happened. Bad-fucking-ass!Yep! I knew right from the start of the album this was my John Williams. No more of that cookie cutter shit like Tintin and Crystal Skull. This is the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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