#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So is The Resistance March actually a march? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,254 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 On 1/3/2016 at 0:06 AM, Red said: Traditionally in Star Wars the bad guys get the marches, be it the Trade Federation or the Empire. The good factions get the shorter motifs but here it is the other way around. It's a salient reflection of the the way the galactic powers are setup in the films. Hey, that's a great point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 On 3.1.2016 at 10:07 AM, Stefancos said: So is The Resistance March actually a march? Fugue of the Resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Did anyone check out the video link I posted above? It completely changes how I feel about that scene, I think the pacing and energy are much more powerful and in theory works a lot better as it pulls things back a bit and gives it a little more weight instead of being too hyperactive. I just love the fugue idea as a vehicle to musical depict multiple combatants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,254 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I watched it and strongly prefer Williams' TPM music. The Resistance March doesn't fit that scene at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Really? Wow, fair enough man .....it's like night and day for me now, I find everything in the scene to function better especially with all the baroque-esque similarities between Qui-Gon's theme and the MOTR. I honestly love it much more as it gives me so much of what the original scene never did. Did you like the original scene in the movie anyway? It's one I've always really hated it so maybe that's why different music has had a big impact on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,254 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Yea, its pretty much the only good scene in TPM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oboejdub 22 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 On 03/01/2016 at 4:07 AM, Stefancos said: So is The Resistance March actually a march? It's definitely marchable the whole way through. but a fugue in the middle is a little bit atypical for that. and on a few occasions those offbeat bass notes might cause somebody to stumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I love how Willy went "Well, you know, fuck it, I'll throw a fucking fugue in here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Oboejdub said: It's definitely marchable the whole way through. but a fugue in the middle is a little bit atypical for that. and on a few occasions those offbeat bass notes might cause somebody to stumble. I think that was something that threw me off the first time or two I listened to it, thinking it would be more of a traditional march like Midway or 1941. All the offbeats and the fugue thrown into the middle of it. But then "marching" along to it i.e. simply keeping track of the downbeats got me into the piece. 25 minutes ago, Michael said: I love how Willy went "Well, you know, fuck it, I'll throw a fucking fugue in here" "We're gonna fuck this shit up like J Bach Baby" - John Williams Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 He took this score down, he took it all the way to fucking Chinatown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 *High five*! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Who's Snow White? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Personally, I think the Resistance should work every month, not just March. Scarpia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Love that upward harmonic shift in the horns from 0:16 - 0:19 in the concert arrangement. 8 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Personally, I think the Resistance should work every month, not just March. That's why the New Order was able to gain so much leverage. Those slackers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 On 12/18/2015 at 4:34 AM, Incanus said: The theme reminds me of some of JW's music for NBC News (not the Mission theme) and his theme for the NBC Sunday Night Football but it is more fugal in progression. I definitely agree with the connection to Sunday Night Football. While listening to the end credits, I found myself finishing the theme, and it took me a while to figure out what music was in my head. Not surprising, given that he's done this before (i.e. main theme from Nixon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 "I recently started using Spotify for the first time...am I doing it right?" Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just now, mrbellamy said: "I recently started using Spotify for the first time...am I doing it right?" That looks about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 On 7/1/2016 at 2:18 AM, mrbellamy said: "I recently started using Spotify for the first time...am I doing it right?" Varied enough for hours of entertainment and music enjoying, and at the same time gives you just the necessary time to write down the little fugue by ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 What does it look like now, have you listened to the March yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Can someone explain simply what a fugue is and how it differs from a march? What part of the track is the fugue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Damien F and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaralyyth 111 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 For me, March of the Resistance sounds very militarized, like from an old World War 2 propaganda video but with a science fiction element mixed in. It gives me chills, really. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 A fugue is where a melody is passed from one group of instruments to another. 6 minutes ago, Zaralyth said: For me, March of the Resistance sounds very militarized, like from an old World War 2 propaganda video but with a science fiction element mixed in. It gives me chills, really. It has a very strong WWII movie feel. It reminds me of the kind of scores Ron Goodwin used to do. Where Eagles Dare etc. Heroic but gritty marches for brave men, willing to risk their lives in service of the British Empire on a mission so risky, but so important that Winston Churchill demands to be kept up to date! Essentially...music for killing Nazis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 During the first few days I was listening to TFA, when I hummed March of the Resistance always turned into the Sunday Night Football theme in my head. Glad to hear that Williams composed that and I'm not all that crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 29 minutes ago, Stefancos said: A fugue is where a melody is passed from one group of instruments to another. It has a very strong WWII movie feel. It reminds me of the kind of scores Ron Goodwin used to do. Where Eagles Dare etc. Heroic but gritty marches for brave men, willing to risk their lives in service of the British Empire on a mission so risky, but so important that Winston Churchill demands to be kept up to date! Essentially...music for killing Nazis! Oh god, i'm about to watch this now: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, dfenton85 said: Can someone explain simply what a fugue is and how it differs from a march? What part of the track is the fugue? A fugue is what happens when you take a small motive or melodic fragment, called a "subject," and weave a contrapuntal piece out of it. Listen to any number of Bach's masterwork fugues to get a sense of what exactly it is. A march is... a march. It's a different musical form entirely, not quite as reliant on dense polyphony as compelling rhythm and catchy tunes. Williams' piece here is more of a march than a fugue. There are what you'd call "fugato" sections to it, that is, moments reminiscent of a fugue without launching into one proper. The moments that BB points out are correct. You hear what are essentialy fugal expositions, the first part of a fugue where a subject is stated and then restated at particular different intervals while the other voices carry on with countersubjects and the like. Scarpia and Damien F 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The German dub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Did Curt Jurgens dub himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaralyyth 111 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: A fugue is where a melody is passed from one group of instruments to another. It has a very strong WWII movie feel. It reminds me of the kind of scores Ron Goodwin used to do. Where Eagles Dare etc. Heroic but gritty marches for brave men, willing to risk their lives in service of the British Empire on a mission so risky, but so important that Winston Churchill demands to be kept up to date! Essentially...music for killing Nazis! Considering the original Imperial uniforms were pattented after Nazi Uniforms... sh*t just got real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 And they both had Stormtroopers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaralyyth 111 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: And they both had Stormtroopers!!! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: It has a very strong WWII movie feel. It reminds me of the kind of scores Ron Goodwin used to do. Where Eagles Dare etc. Heroic but gritty marches for brave men, willing to risk their lives in service of the British Empire on a mission so risky, but so important that Winston Churchill demands to be kept up to date! Totally agree...is this the most blatantly old-fashioned WWII writing yet for Star Wars? Kind of surprising given the influence is so appropriate! I guess certain OT action tracks would count but this really stands out to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 Something about the orchestration sounds like the way the Rebels were scored in the OT but the reason I love this theme is because there's parts (particularly the fugue) where you do get that WWII propaganda feel in a way that there's something quite threatening and intimidating about it. Musically it's an interesting take on the 'good guys'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 The finale to this track is just disgusting. Those fanfares and that last mean as fuck final word from the booming horns make me rock back and forward in my chair like a dribbling awestruck idiot. It's just offensive really. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 You're just a mental, really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It's one of those JW cues which makes me spontaneously chuckle to myself like a giddy fool. Movie music wasn't supposed to sound this good anymore. The Resistance March is definitely one of the most spectacular things he's ever done. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Brilliant air conducting track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 The Resistance March is a ton of fun. I get a smile on a face every time it gets to that little climb at 2:10. Not sure anything can beat Throne Room for air conducting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare 10 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 8 hours ago, Zaralyth said: For me, March of the Resistance sounds very militarized, like from an old World War 2 propaganda video but with a science fiction element mixed in. It gives me chills, really. Agreed! 7 hours ago, publicist said: Oh god, i'm about to watch this now: Great movie, I love it! Speaking of which: Does sound a bit like March of the Resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 10 hours ago, Flare said: Does sound a bit like March of the Resistance. Honestly, I don't listen to any resemblance at all, melodical, rythmical or orchestrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Does anybody have the link to the Mendelssohn piece which someone here claimed this sounded like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 48 minutes ago, Scarpia said: Honestly, I don't listen to any resemblance at all, melodical, rythmical or orchestrational. No, but it is music in the same kind of idiom, designed to evoke the same kind of feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 But in that case, just any military march would sound like March of the Resistance. Williams accomplished an interesting piece, introducing elements like fugato parts, offbeat accentuation and a more subtle use of percussion. The march that was posted was an average one, not even in minor mode, so I don't see how is supposedly evoking the same kind of feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 If you're searching for a Ron Goodwin comparison, something closer to the mark would be the fugato passage from his Main Title for Where Eagles Dare. Scarpia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Definitely closer in my opinion, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 45 minutes ago, Quintus said: Does anybody have the link to the Mendelssohn piece which someone here claimed this sounded like? Mendelssohn?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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