#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Sounds better then AOTC and ROTS, not TPM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Are we talking about the actual sound mix and acoustics? I think TFA CD release sounds fantastic. Everything has a real clarity, which certainly has to do with the orchestrations as well. I put it along side TPM which also had a remarkably clear and full sound. I think ROTS and AOTC both had a muddier sounding mix where dense music sounded condensed and some overdub stuff stuck out a bit too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I was talking more about the mastering. It probably has been normalised a bit, but it goes loud and quiet when appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Aside from the first track where he combines the first two cues into one, with the second action cue on Jakku being almost immediately grafted onto the end of the opening in a bit of an awkward way, the rest of the tracks seem cue-isolated.Great move!I cannot get accustomed to this transition, it was done too early, before the crescendo of the first cue reaches its point.Anyways, I personally think this is a superb score. It worked perfectly with the picture, and the OST listening experience is sublime. I never loose interest in the music, and the entire album flows effectiveky. It is clearly rooted in the Star Wars tradition, but with a new approach that I happily welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Sounds better then AOTC and ROTS, not TPMI'd probably agree. I skipped ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 You didnt miss much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The recording and engineering are fabulous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 But the performance is shit right? The LSO should have done this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Anyone who still feels that way should be beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The performance is ace. It all sounds different then the LSO, but never worse.Where was it recorded again? What room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 In the basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 In general I'm very happy with the sound of the score but the trombones' entrance in the main title fanfare are alarmingly quiet, nowhere near the power of the original versions so that's a little dissapointing but I'm sure this has already been previously mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The performance is ace. It all sounds different then the LSO, but never worse.Where was it recorded again? What room?They cleared the canteen out especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Unforunately I'm dissapointed with the score. Not terrible, but nothing in particular stands out. Worst of all 7 Star Wars score and worse than Indy 4 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,083 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 The only parts that seemed off to me:- The brass at the very beginning of the Main Title, but it was a brief annoyance and I've grown to kind of like it for some reason- "The Rathtars" shouldn't have made the cut--it's actually a bit grating, but I'm not sure I can fault Williams after seeing this awful sequence- The transition into the End Credits sounds weird (like in Episode III) and I still don't know how to feel about the Home Alone version of Luke's Theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,083 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Luke's theme at the very end of the End Credits reminds me of Vader's theme at the end of the TPM end credits. A tantalizing promise of what's to come. It was really good to hear Luke's theme so much in this score. It really IS Star Wars. Like gravy on mashed potatoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The Rey/Force themes combo is cool too. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I'm enjoying it a lot and it's growing with every listen. As always in JW, the beauty is often in the details and there are lot of those here. Sonically, it seems to me that he's continuing the discourse where he left it in 2005. I hear shades of Revenge of the Sith in more than one place. As it happened with the prequels, the music is not much about revisiting old ideas or style (save for quotes of classic themes when they're needed), but more a new tile added to this massive and amazing musical mosaic. Williams is doing what every true artist does and he always keeps an enormous integrity. I dare to say it's almost an ethical approach, before aesthetical. He's being true to himself and to his muse, no matter the commercial circumstances he has to comply. Right now I can't put it on a list, even just within the Star Wars canon, as I need to listen and study it more. But I'm loving it a lot.I agree with this. The dramatic music (like the CD tracks "The Starkiller" and "Torn Apart") works greatly in the film and is comparable to pieces with a similar mood in ROTS, which is a very good score in my opinion (especially for the most dramatic and elegiac parts, not to mention the fantastic final reel except for the very final transition to the end credits). The Finale works very well, considering that it will surely not be the culminating scene of the new trilogy. Actually, it creates a kind of tension towards the next movie, like "this is just the beginning, stay tuned". I like Rey's theme and I think it is appropriate for the character. "March of the Resistance" and "Scherzo for X Wings" are very good action pieces (the latter could perhaps benefit from a slightly faster tempo).I don't complain about anything. I am experiencing something similar to ROTS, for which I was initially a bit disappointed, but then after getting familiar with the various pieces I got to appreciate the details and to love it. I really hope that Williams will score the next movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace 8 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 What about the overlays in the main title it's just a bunch of cues strung together? Where as with past films it was one piece.I also hear more similarities with Indiana Jones particularly the high trumpets (think Jungle chase from KOTCS).. I guess he was trying to cut through sound effects.One thing is clear though, all the new scores have far more notes in them than the original trilogy, maybe that's where the problem lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Are we talking about the actual sound mix and acoustics? I think TFA CD release sounds fantastic. Everything has a real clarity...The clarity is amazing. Even more evident when I put it on in my car. The bassier moments never got muddy.Aside from the first track where he combines the first two cues into one, with the second action cue on Jakku being almost immediately grafted onto the end of the opening in a bit of an awkward way, the rest of the tracks seem cue-isolated.Great move!I cannot get accustomed to this transition, it was done too early, before the crescendo of the first cue reaches its point.Sounds a bit out of rhythm, like it should come in a half beat later.- The transition into the End Credits sounds weird (like in Episode III)Seems a bit mis-timed, like it needs another phrase, or one less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I like Rey's theme and I think it is appropriate for the character. "March of the Resistance" and "Scherzo for X Wings" are very good action pieces (the latter could perhaps benefit from a slightly faster tempo).It does! Joni Wiljami and Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 ... exactly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Seriously? It's a far more energetic score then Williams' last two ventures into a beloved franchise (ROTS and KOCS).It isnt as immediately gripping on album as much of his Golden Age stuff is, but that been the case since the mid-90's, with a few rare exceptions.The exceptional complexity of his music often don't shine through at first and it takes patience and time to slowly unfold these aspects. There is less to latch on to at a first listen. Modern John Williams music is NOT for the casual, easy listening soundtrack enthusiast!Oh bollocks!If Williams' Star Wars ever was one thing, then the easily accessible film music for the casual listener. Some of you are simply denying to see what everyone not so attached to the man or the franchise can hear, that Williams isn't able anymore at his age to reach the appeal he still had even 10 years ago.To say TFA isn't as immediately gripping as his golden age stuff is an understatement, just like saying he's as gripping now as the was since the 90s is severely exaggerated. His 90s output is far superior to this score, far and away. Just like most of his 2000 work reached a level of form, intrigue and musical joy, of which only a fraction can be found in TFA. The Potter series, War Horse, Geisha, Tintin, RotS, all of them have infinitely more to say than Episode VII. TFA is a score by a composer who doesn't "get" it anymore. The joy and wonderment is gone. I don't feel that this score comes from Williams' heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Fuck you!There! I said it! Taikomochi and Joni Wiljami 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Hah!!! "Williams doesn't get it anymore".Who doesn't get it? WHO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 You hold him! I'm getting my hammer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Star Wars drives JWFan to extremes. Either you must love it unquestionably, or you must hate it and by default hate Williams in general....why can there be no moderation!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 My opinion of this score continues to improve the more I listen to it. From the action music to the strings on The Starkiller and Torn Apart, it just makes a lot more sense had has more resonance after seeing the film and really delving into the soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Star Wars drives JWFan to extremes. Either you must love it unquestionably, or you must hate it and by default hate Williams in general....why can there be no moderation!?Who's side are you on?GET HIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 There is a war coming. You sure you're on the right side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I love John Williams!! I swear!!! I worship TFA every morning at his altar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Good. Goooood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Banishment to the Tolkien subforum delayed....for the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Oh God! Anywhere but there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Beware the horrors of BOTFA EE discussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I changed my vote. ggKYRPÄver made eyes to open. It is actually shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Oh please.It's not shit, but it's not anywhere near a 5/5 or strong 4/5. It's a 3/5, 3.5/5 at best. What is that Seven Years In Tibet trumpet call in there for anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I agree, but the reaction here is to be expected, it is jwfan.com, if you go to a Paul McCartney forum even his shit albums are called masterpieces. I really don't get it, even KOTCS had a couple of tracks that stuck in my head for a while, TFA has none, maybe the Scherzo but that's just good old Luke's theme. Very underwhelming score for a Star Wars movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yeah, but Moviewave gave the score 5 stars and to my knowledge Southall isn't a member here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The score is okay.Back to listening to ID4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Take care. Nothin' but love for ya. Nothin' but love for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I wish I was blown away like some of you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Well, I've known for a while that there must be something wrong with you these days. You were so obsessed with getting all that bland cookie cutter music from KOTCS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I dunno, I keep playing it and nothing sticks except a few momentsfinn's motif just doesn't work for me and it's the basis of most action cues. I still can't differentiate most of the action cues after 6 -7 listens to the albumthe old themes aren't played in great new ways. The rebel fanfare is just the rebel fanfare, Leia's theme and Han and Leia have inferior renditions than previous scores, there's only one new Force theme rendition I like in Farewell and the Trip, Luke's theme is always understated, incomplete and dissonantImportantly, I'm not craving the unreleased music, which is pretty much a first time event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The score is okay.Back to listening to ID4.ID4 is pure cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 I dunno, I keep playing it and nothing sticks except a few momentsfinn's motif just doesn't work for me and it's the basis of most action cuesThere's something wrong with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I agree, but the reaction here is to be expected, it is jwfan.com, But many of the people loving this score are some of the most hard to please, so that has to count for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I dunno, I keep playing it and nothing sticks except a few momentsfinn's motif just doesn't work for me and it's the basis of most action cuesThere's something wrong with you!hey a week ago you swore not to even see the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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