Jay 37,287 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Hmm, you're positive about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Hmm, you're positive about that? That is my conclusion from comparing the cue with the Rear channels. Also parts of The Droid Stole a Freighter, Ren's Rage and Precinct 47 show up in Rey's Vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Interesting! I wasn't able to tell before if it was just microedited or was a different performance in parts. They really slashed a lot of that whole sequence of the film out for the OST track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Also it seems part of the music in the Mind Reading scene was tracked from Rey Underground. The statement of Han Solo and the Princess in Han and Leia seems to also be the one in Bring Him Home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 18 hours ago, DarthDementous said: that Han's Death alternate cue is absolutely gorgeous. I believe that rising motif at the start plays during the Attack on Jakku Village on the OST. I feel like the Starkiller music shouldn't have been tracked into that moment, the music there really drives home the tragedy more with the straining Force theme and its not as muted. that sort of music serves a melancholic scene like the firing of Starkiller base but not something as significant as the death of Han. It's not necessarily this music vs. the Starkiller music. Assuming the music for Han's death starts at 1:25 in the clip, the music is about 40 seconds long. The film/album version takes about 30 seconds before going into the Starkiller Reprise. Doesn't quite match, but this clip seems to only cover the beginning of the moment, not Han's body falling away, Leia's reaction, and so forth. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Also, I am up to Han and Leia Discuss Kylo Ren on my Complete Edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Faleel said: Also it seems part of the music in the Mind Reading scene was tracked from Rey Underground. Or the other way around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Well you can hear the edit in the Mind Reading scene (0;38 of the second Video in ChewyBombers playlist). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Henry Buck said: It's not necessarily this music vs. the Starkiller music. Assuming the music for Han's death starts at 1:25 in the clip, the music is about 40 seconds long. The film/album version takes about 30 seconds before going into the Starkiller Reprise. Doesn't quite match, but this clip seems to only cover the beginning of the moment, not Han's body falling away, Leia's reaction, and so forth. It's possible there were longer cuts of Han's death scene early in the recording process too. They probably tinkered with the scene right until the end. Isn't the film version of Han's Death cut down compared to the OST anyway? The strings immediately after the stabbing seem abridged in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,379 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 I just added 8 new cues to my playlist. "Escape In The Millenium Falcon" is definitely the same cue as in the OST, the OST version is just cut. We have the proof that the "2 note motif" is associated to BB-8, you can hear it at 0:40 of "Tasu Leech" when he's saying that the First Order is looking for a droid. "You're Han Solo" is definitely a great cue, without so much noise. I'm starting to think that the "Snoke" track on the OST isn't a concert arrangement at all since you can hear it in the second part of "Bring Her To Me" in the film. I'm also surprised about the amount of tracked music in this film, it's everywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Weirdly I didn't notice much tracked music when re-watching the film last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,379 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 9 hours ago, Bill said: :07-:20 of "You Need A Pilot" has a musical idea that sounds similar to what plays in the film at the moment Ren kills Han and the string stuff heard on the OST track "Snoke" (this is one I think is almost certainly coincidental because I can't imagine what the thematic link could be from "You Need A Pilot" to those two other cues) This makes me think of the beginning of "Red Rackam's Curse" from Tintin OST 9 hours ago, Bill said: 2:30-end of "Bring Him Home" and :05-:38 of "Group Enters Base" share the same melody. Yeah it's definitely associated with Starkiller assault. 11 minutes ago, crumbs said: Weirdly I didn't notice much tracked music when re-watching the film last week. Here are some examples (maybe I'm wrong but I just noticed a lot of similarities): "Submit Your Blaster For Inspection" 0:33-end tracked from "The Attack On The Jakku Village Part 1" (FYC) at 1:50 "Escape Now, Hug Later" 0:00-0:13 tracked from "That Girl With The Staff" (OST) at 0:20 "Escape in the Millenium Falcon" 0:00-0:06 tracked from "The Rathtars" (FYC) at 0:00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 It doesn't hold a candle to The Phantom Menace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,379 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Attack of the Clones is the worst I think xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Good point. The film's relatively faithful to all the key moments JW actually scored though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 There are three notes edited out of Han and Leia right between the Harp bit and the Solo and the Princess strings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Oh no! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Thanks a lot Faleel, Chewie Bomber, and others for isolating these bits of score for mass enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 6:19 PM, Bill said: Unless otherwise noted, the timestamps and titles refer to the YouTube videos posted by ChewyBomber. :20-:27 of "Preparing For Assault" and :17-:20, :24-:27, and :50-:53 of the "BIG unknown Unused Cue/Alternate" (that "BIG alternate" as posted by Faleel) share a melody. I noticed that no one has commented on this bit of my post. I found Williams's use of this melody intriguing. I believe that as far as we know, those two cues mentioned in the quoted post are the only ones that contain that melody (it's possible there is another appearance of the melody that I have forgotten about). It's first heard in the scene in which the Resistance members are at their base discussing the plan to destroy Starkiller Base, shortly before Han departs for Starkiller Base, and is later heard in what is believed to be an alternate for the scene where Han walks onto the bridge and is killed by Ren. Is this melody a motif that represents something? Or is this just clever musical foreshadowing from Williams? Or just a coincidence? I have to wonder whether the melody was heard more in earlier versions of cues that were replaced in the final film, alternate cues that we have never heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Not sure about its significance but unless there's another example in the opening scene, I think it's first heard in the film here, when the FO are heading back to the Star Destroyer after the Jakku raid: Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 The "X-Wings Prepare for Lightspeed" and "Kylo Ren Searches the Falcon" Deleted Scenes both use music that was edited out of "The Bombing Run". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,379 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 7 hours ago, Bill said: I noticed that no one has commented on this bit of my post. I found Williams's use of this melody intriguing. I believe that as far as we know, those two cues mentioned in the quoted post are the only ones that contain that melody (it's possible there is another appearance of the melody that I have forgotten about). It's first heard in the scene in which the Resistance members are at their base discussing the plan to destroy Starkiller Base, shortly before Han departs for Starkiller Base, and is later heard in what is believed to be an alternate for the scene where Han walks onto the bridge and is killed by Ren. Is this melody a motif that represents something? Or is this just clever musical foreshadowing from Williams? Or just a coincidence? I have to wonder whether the melody was heard more in earlier versions of cues that were replaced in the final film, alternate cues that we have never heard. Nice found! I'm pretty sure Mr. Big is right, it has something to do with the First Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 9:06 PM, Taikomochi said: In the latter video, I believe the few seconds after 1:09 are in the film version of Torn Apart as heard on the FYC, so I'd guess the latter half or so of that track is an alternate for Torn Apart. Interestingly enought, the bit in Torn Apart, and the BIG Alternate, are different pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Perhaps sped up/slowed down? I didn't compare them closely; They just sounded the same to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: Perhaps sped up/slowed down? I didn't compare them closely; They just sounded the same to me. Oh they are definitely the same. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 It's funny, we have a bunch of bits of the original Jakku Village sequence, but no Idea how they fit together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Not really "ha-ha" funny but yes, it is frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 We have: The bits in the 60 minutes videos. A bit in the ILM doc that may be an alternate for the bit of the Map motif right after the Stormtroopers on the carrier music The March from the Secrets of TFA doc. The action music (that bit that goes into the bit we got from the FYC) from Secrets of TFA The bit from the ILM featurette The bit that comes after the big Kylo Ren statement from the Secrets of TFA doc. A bit of an alternate ending of Kill Them All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 The album version of The Attack on Jakku is just so good. The FYC version is great as well but the OST version is snappier and has some lush strings missing from the FYC version. After my first few listens I liked The Attack on Jakku for its energy and sonic quality, but felt it was a bit formless. But now, the pace and quick changes just work beautifully to create a powerful, engaging action cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,340 Posted April 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2016 It's Music time! Here is a Pizzicato version of the Action theme from Follow Me, The Falcon, and The Rathtars, I think this might be the music for Reys manuever with the Falcon that was tracked over with part of Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9c3JzYmhsd25aanc/view?usp=sharing Here is part of that BIG Alternate I posted earlier, but with some extra music that was edited out of the rip I posted edited back in. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9MWZLV1p2anN0RVE/view?usp=sharing Here is that unknown march that Crumbs called "Unremarkable":https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9di1wODhVOWwwS00/view?usp=sharing Here is an unknown quiet cue that uses flute and clarinet:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZG41dVRqaVlhLWs/view?usp=sharing Here is the End Credits clean opening:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Y01Cbm8zbUJTMUU/view?usp=sharing Here is an alternate section of The Rathtars!https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZXA2ZUhYd2RDcG8/view?usp=sharing crumbs, greenturnedblue, Muad'Dib and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Is the alternate version of Han's Death on YouTube anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 As in, placed over footage? (because the audio is already in my "Big Alternate"' video.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Faleel said: As in, placed over footage? (because the audio is already in my "Big Alternate"' video.) Is that a YouTube video? For me it plays like a google drive video but I don't see the option to add it to playlists or like or share or stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Oh okay. No its not a Youtube video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I see. No worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,340 Posted April 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2016 Here is the Trombone alternate of Torn Apart that Mr. Big pointed out:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9bElQcnlMa1FVM1U/view?usp=sharing Here is the alternate ending to Kill Them All:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9d185TWVHOXdoWGM/view?usp=sharing Here is the other Village Attack alternate:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9d0hlNXlzc0dKVU0/view?usp=sharing Here are some Starry Night alternates:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9OXRoNnNxWE9uZGs/view?usp=sharing Here is the clean ending to The Jedi Steps:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9UnotRG4tZUhER2s/view?usp=sharing Snoke Recalls Kylo Renhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Z3VVUW9TSFExWlE/view?usp=sharing Escape Now, Hug Laterhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9eWpTY044eUZkTzQ/view?usp=sharing X-Wings to Lightspeed/Ren Searches The Falcon/The Bombing Runhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9VUlzb2F1bVQ0bXc/view?usp=sharing The Rey Escapehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9OTFmOTUtYmRqZVU/view?usp=sharing Group Enters Basehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9TjBkV1M2QkRWanc/view?usp=sharing Landing at Lightspeedhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9bzY3dUNTOHM2Vlk/view?usp=sharing The Planhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9bHBtUmNXWlZzTWM/view?usp=sharing Restraints and Ren's Ragehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9X3JrZ28xZHJJbG8/view?usp=sharing Mind Gameshttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9R0tnTUQzX1BuVXc/view?usp=sharing Han and Leia Discuss Kylo (Film Version)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9b2Y3VHl0a283alE/view?usp=sharing Finn and Poe, Unitedhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZWpoUUREZ25rb0k/view?usp=sharing The Visionhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZjU1b1FXa1o5c00/view?usp=sharing The Callhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9LXNzQ3ZhbHVQckE/view?usp=sharing Dobra Doompa (Lin-Manuel Miranda and J.J. Abrams)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9RFZEWEM5R1RUSGc/view?usp=sharing Legacy of the Dark Sidehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9cTMxeWd1V1kyTHc/view?usp=sharing Jabba Flow (Lin-Manuel Miranda and J.J. Abrams)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9YUYtS2tWMWVWYjA/view?usp=sharing Arrival at Takodana (Microedits Restored)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9UjdGazJ4bjBBNGc/view?usp=sharing It's True, All of Ithttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZEhlZU1mZmVzNWc/view?usp=sharing The Rathtars! (Microedits Restored)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9N0dwbmxjY0ZDZ1E/view?usp=sharing Kanjiklubhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9MGZKeDVBbkZyRjg/view?usp=sharing Solohttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9eWlQU2YzeC0xN2M/view?usp=sharing Boarded (Microedits Restored)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZFVIZDY4dk9xQ00/view?usp=sharing The Droid Stole A Freighter? (Microedits Restored)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9VWpleWVVeTRHZXM/view?usp=sharing You Need A Pilothttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9WlBmdjJiMU03a3c/view?usp=sharing Back to Destroyerhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9UlVlZmVmVVlvNU0/view?usp=sharing Finn and Phasmahttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9LWE1RXhPZi11Wmc/view?usp=sharing Helmet Offhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9aHNsYTFiOGVhT1E/view?usp=sharing Lor San Tekka and Kylo Renhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9WFNDZVVtajJXcm8/view?usp=sharing Muad'Dib, Incanus, greenturnedblue and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,379 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Wow! Really good job! Did you get all these alternate cues with documentaries from the Blu-Ray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 Of course he did - where else would they have come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,379 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I didn't know documentaries where in 5.1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 The main documentary - "The Secrets of The Force Awakens: A Cinematic Journey" - is in 5.1. Every single other special feature, including the deleted scenes and menus - are only in 2.0. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Nagus 43 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Has anyone compared the theatrical end credits to the Blu-ray end credits yet? The credits are almost 3 minutes longer on the BD. I know "Scherzo for X-Wings" was added after Rey's theme. I wonder what credits were added though, 3 minutes is a lot of names to add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I'd be interested in knowing, too. Unless it's something very clear (like Blu-ray mastering techs, etc), I'd never notice something out of place textwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, rolltide1017 said: Has anyone compared the theatrical end credits to the Blu-ray end credits yet? The credits are almost 3 minutes longer on the BD. I know "Scherzo for X-Wings" was added after Rey's theme. I wonder what credits were added though, 3 minutes is a lot of names to add. Possibly dumb question, but are the credits the same between the BD and digital versions? I would assume yes, but has anyone verified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Nagus 43 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Well, I should have been more clear, I bought the BD today but, I'm watching the digital version at work right now. The credits are longer on the digital version so yes, I think they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 17 hours ago, Faleel said: Here is an unknown quiet cue that uses flute and clarinet:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZG41dVRqaVlhLWs/view?usp=sharing This one sounds a bit different from the rest of the score. I wonder what scene it was supposed to accompany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I am thinking it is for something early in the film, perhaps for either Han and Rey, or Maz Kanata. Also I went through the Target exclusive featurettes and found some interesting stuff. Oh, the very beginning of the BIG alternate video, is used in "I Will Show You The Dark Side/Lor San Tekka and Kylo Ren" Target Exclusive updates: The full unedited Han and Leia portion of the Finn and Poe, United (Alternate), but in lower quality.https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9aDI0aC1IYWtMY3c/view?usp=sharing Another Unknown Cue (perhaps alternate Jedi Steps?)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9cFd2bUp5cmVCUU0/view?usp=sharing More of the Pizzicato Finn/Action Motifhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Zi1iVXU1X3c5VzA/view?usp=sharing Unknown action cue:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9TDFMWXNOZjF6bUU/view?usp=sharing Alternate "I Will Show You The Dark Side"https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9dFVDSjFmVmxZaVU/view?usp=sharing Fuller Unknown Marchhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9cEg3TElmWGdUdW8/view?usp=sharing Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Quote Unknown action cue:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9TDFMWXNOZjF6bUU/view?usp=sharing TLW returns! (by the end) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 9 minutes ago, Michael said: TLW returns! (by the end) Minority Report and The Sorcerer's Stone too! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 It's a shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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