Holko 9,526 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Yeah, do we have any confirmation these use actual original JW titles, not made-up ones for longer stretches or film edits? (We know how Mike has to rename things (film version) or (original) or (alternate) or (revised) to differentiate it from the already released but different version) It's still great to have *a* list but I wouldn't take it as gospel. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Usually (but not always) they just repurpose titles already in existence instead of making up new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Here’s the list for Episode IV, which has full score leaks for most cues. The cue named and numbers match the sheet music leaks very closely, apart from correcting typos and omitting references to revisions, extensions, alternates, etc. Some cues had more than one title written, like 3M3, which has both ‘The Sand Speeder’ and ‘Land of the Sand People’ written at the top. So, while it’s not as good as a primary source, these seem quite likely to be accurate. Might as well post the others, for anyone else curious: The Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi Holko and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, BrotherSound said: @CGCJ @Manakin Skywalker @Holko I wouldn’t take the absence of a cue from the list as confirmation that it wasn’t used. The live-to-projection version of Return of the Jedi combines 12M5 The Emperor's Death, 13M1 Space Battle, and 13M2 Vadar's Death all under the title 12M5 The Emperor’s Death, so there’s probably some missing, but what’s here should be pretty accurate. I wasn't at all referring to the absence of a cue from the list; but I was talking about cues we already know are unused but are on the list anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I wasn't at all referring to the absence of a cue from the list; but I was talking about cues we already know are unused but are on the list anyway. That’s probably just an indication they’re not entirely unused, in my opinion. ‘Vader Contacts Luke’ is on the list for Return of the Jedi despite the scene it’s named for being cut, because it also includes the music for the droids on their way to Jabba’s palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 5 hours ago, BrotherSound said: That’s probably just an indication they’re not entirely unused, in my opinion. ‘Vader Contacts Luke’ is on the list for Return of the Jedi despite the scene it’s named for being cut, because it also includes the music for the droids on their way to Jabba’s palace. True. Mostly unused is pretty much what I mean to say. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 4:11 PM, BrotherSound said: 6M53 We See Rey Can you verify you didn't make a typo? The MACP & SACM lists say "We See Ren", not "Rey" BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Jay said: Can you verify you didn't make a typo? The MACP & SACM lists say "We See Ren", not "Rey" “We See Ren” makes more sense, though. Given more than one source has that, it’s probably just a typo in this version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 That's the cue where Ben reveals his face right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 Yea, We See Ren is certainly the right name. So BrotherSound didn't make the typo, the guys running the live to projection concerts did. Funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, Jay said: Yea, We See Ren is certainly the right name. So BrotherSound didn't make the typo, the guys running the live to projection concerts did. Funny. It was most likely “corrected”, because they would have started with the same Finale files used for the sessions… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I don't know if this helps but the Sabam repertoire has updated with entries for a few cues for their use in "Star Tours: The Adventures Continue 2017 Main Show": Hand Opening (00:19) Kylo's Rage (00:13) The Falcon Still Flies! (00:58) Fun With Finn and Rose (00:22) Green Planet (00:05) Light in the Snow and Flying Home (00:23) Might be useful in identifying these cues. crumbs and Muad'Dib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Did anyone ever make a document like the one that started this thread for Last Jedi? Comparing the iso score, OST, and FYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, CGCJ said: I don't know if this helps but the Sabam repertoire has updated with entries for a few cues for their use in "Star Tours: The Adventures Continue 2017 Main Show": Hand Opening (00:19) Kylo's Rage (00:13) The Falcon Still Flies! (00:58) Fun With Finn and Rose (00:22) Green Planet (00:05) Light in the Snow and Flying Home (00:23) Might be useful in identifying these cues. That does help, because this list appears chronological, which answers several questions! Light in the Snow and Flying Home is the alternate early version of this cue (audible at 3:57 above) so the cues labelled Flying Home (and possibly Old Falcon to the Rescue) are the versions heard in the film. Unclear which versions Williams recorded first. 1:15 onwards is the variety of excerpts from The Falcon Still Flies!, including unreleased/alternate sections not heard in the film or album (sigh) 0:57 - 1:10 is Kylo's Rage (a mix of the music when Kylo finds Rey escaped the torture chair, also the music when the FO begin charging the Starkiller weapon at the end of Act 2) Which means 0:11 - 0:30 is the ever-elusive Hand Opening. The first 10 seconds is difficult to hear but sounds similar to Starry Night, except this version gradually builds with very tense, uneasy strings and a punch of brass to close the cue off. I'm now convinced this is what Williams wrote for the alternate opening of Luke's severed hand slowly drifting into frame clutching a lightsaber. It's definitely not for a shot of Lor San Tekka opening his hand, the tone is way too dark. CGCJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, crumbs said: Light in the Snow and Flying Home is the alternate early version of this cue (audible at 3:57 above) so the cues labelled Flying Home (and possibly Old Falcon to the Rescue) are the versions heard in the film. Unclear which versions Williams recorded first. Looking at the cue list again, surely Old Falcon to the Rescue is the music for the escape from the freighter with the Rathtars (OST The Rathtars! [02:47-End]), as it comes after The Rathtar Attack in the sorted list from SACM. Spoiler Jabba Flow The Resistance March Starry Night Fix No Title Hand Opening I've Seen Too Much The Beam is Released The Attack on the Village Guns Ablaze The Arrival of Kylo Ren The First Order Approaches The Control Room and Ren in the Forest Landing Fix on Fix One Quarter Portion/Lunchtime Finding the Map Don't Follow Me Kylo Stalks Rey What's Your Name? Finn Helps Poe The First Escape Finn's Trek That Lady with the Stick Who's Luke Skywalker The Falcon Still Flies! Kylo Arrives at Battle Kylo and His Sword Hiding Under the Grate You're Han Solo? Rathtars Appear The Rathtar Attack Old Falcon to the Rescue Starkiller We See Ren The Map Scene Green Planet Gotta Name? You Got a Name? I've Found the Droid Talking with Grandfather Dobra Doompa Maz on the Table I Ran Into You Into the Cellar Finn Fight Alt Poe Under Torture Rey's Dream Kylo's Rage I Have to Get Back Rey Vs. Ren Sunbeam Strings Find Rey! Good Guys Shooting We've Got What We Needed The Abduction of Rey Han and Leia Reunion Finn and Poe, United R2 in Hybernation Leia, C-3P0, and R2 Parental Discussion Bring Her to Me You Will Remove These Restraints Preparing for the Mission Ren in Cockpit Ice Landing Hey! Rey's Rope Climb Rey on Wall To Lightspeed The Bombing Run Hug Later Shootout I Can Get Us In Leia Fix Rey Catches Sword Blowing Up the Oscillator Light in the Snow and Flying Home Flying Home BB and Rey The Complete Map To Ending Rey's Theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Ahh yes, you're probably right. The two versions are likely just Flying Home and Light in the Snow and Flying Home. The latter probably being an early alternate, and when JW revised the cue he shortened the title as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 So... there weren't any real leaks out there with more music right? Because I seem to have come across a more complete version of the score, although I'm not sure exactly how much extra stuff there is (I should listen to TFA more I just realized) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Hmm, the OST, the FYC, and the three tracks from the LEGO video game are still basically it, so far. There are a few more cues that can be heard on the Art of the Score podcast, but I think those are partial? Specifically thinking of the I Will Finish What You Started and Landing At Light Speed cues (Jay’s titles… too lazy to look up the real ones). What you have come across could include actual clips from the movie, and they tried to isolate the music by just playing the rear channels or whatever, or bits from Blu-ray menus or interviews or behind-the-scenes videos. Oh, there are also the Jedi Steps and Adagio (concert arrangements, which have been recorded by Lockhart and Dudamel, respectively. But I can never remember if those were supposed to have been composed/arranged in 2015 or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I see.. well they're not rips, they're completely clean. Some microedits seem to be gone as well. I haven't finished listening but there are definitely some unreleased things in there, let's see: Rey meeting BB8 Hux's speech Vader's mask part Rey's dream Some nice Starkiller base material Millennium Falcon landing on Starkiller base and lots of other bits It's like 60 tracks, not including alternates and bonus tracks. The source music is also included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Evanus said: I see.. well they're not rips, they're completely clean. Some microedits seem to be gone as well. I haven't finished listening but there are definitely some unreleased things in there, let's see: Rey meeting BB8 Hux's speech Vader's mask part Rey's dream Some nice Starkiller base material Millennium Falcon landing on Starkiller base and lots of other bits It's like 60 tracks, not including alternates and bonus tracks. The source music is also included. Titles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Evanus said: Vader's mask part Millennium Falcon landing on Starkiller base These are from The Art of the Score podcast. 18 minutes ago, Evanus said: The source music is also included. These are from the LEGO The Force Awakens video game source files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pellaeon said: These are from The Art of the Score podcast. These are from the LEGO The Force Awakens video game source files. Ah, I think it's just really well put together edit, not sure though. 12 minutes ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: Titles? Edit: better image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Does Rey Finds Finn or Finn Helps Poe have sfx!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 No SFX in anything.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Whoa. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2020 That's @Trent B's edit that is also available on Majestx's site http://www.majestyx.com/updates/20190930.txt Evanus, The Illustrious Jerry and A. A. Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Ah, that's settled then! Didn't know there was so much music out there for TFA Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted January 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2020 Yeah, I believe the cues were leaked from someone working on the LTP program. It's been floating around for a while now. Since it was for the LTP, it's basically just an isolated score of the film, no alternates or anything like that. Just the music heard exactly as it is in the film. Although if that one in particular is Trent's edit, I'm sure he added the music from the album and FYC. The version I have is just the raw isolated score cues. Now we just need a TROS isolated score and we'll have isolated scores for all three of the sequels! Will, crumbs and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted January 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2020 WOAH!!! I've been following this score super closely but somehow didn't know we had clean versions of more cues. The Illustrious Jerry, crlbrg and Molly Weasley 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I also was completely unaware that was floating around... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Yeah most of us have been keeping under wraps for whatever reason. Trent asked me not to share it publicly because I believe the person who gave it to him asked him not to share it publicly. Not really too many people had it until today. I did share one cue on Discord about a month ago though. The Illustrious Jerry and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think we can add this cue titels that was tracked in Rise of Skywalker: 3M26R from Ep.7 You're Han Solo? 4M36R from Ep.7 I Ran Into You 5M46R from Ep.7 Kylo Stalks Rey 6M50R from Ep.7 Han and Leia Reunion 6M55R from Ep.7 Council Meeting 6M56E from Ep.7 Ren In Cockpit 8M77 from Ep.7 March Of The Resistance Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Smaug the iron said: 3M26R from Ep.7 You're Han Solo? 4M36R from Ep.7 I Ran Into You 5M46R from Ep.7 Kylo Stalks Rey 6M50R from Ep.7 Han and Leia Reunion 6M55R from Ep.7 Council Meeting It's amazing how so many film cues are revisions. It feels like Williams scored the whole film twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 To fully understand what JW was trying to do with some of his alternates, you'd probably need to see the cut of the film he actually scored the first time around. It's a shame there's no way we can do that. I guess it does free you up to use your imagination a bit more, though, kind of like reading a book. Cerebral Cortex and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pellaeon 593 Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 #ReleaseTheJWCut Tiburon, Will, bollemanneke and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Would Mike get access to that type of thing? I think he gets an isolated score for some projects so he can match the exact takes to the film music track where they weren't correctly logged or notated (especially for older analogue scores; I'm sure the digitally mixed scores could just spit out a detailed spreadsheet of every item on the film's music track, complete with take numbers). The clips from each version of the film have to exist because Williams conducted to them via his podium monitor. Presumably that vision gets synced to each take recorded (otherwise Ramiro wouldn't be able to keep track of Williams' intentions). Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 I've never heard of a studio giving a music producer an early cut of a film when working on a soundtrack album, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, Jay said: I've never heard of a studio giving a music producer an early cut of a film when working on a soundtrack album, no IIRC Closest thing is Doug Adams on LOTR, and he isn't a music producer, and that was a special case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 And he was there to document it from earlier stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Holko said: And he was there to document it from earlier stages. 40 minutes ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: IIRC Closest thing is Doug Adams on LOTR, and he isn't a music producer, and that was a special case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Damn, why can't isolated HP1-3 leak too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: Damn, why can't isolated HP1-3 leak too? Shawm!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 YES! Well not just that, it'd just be great to have all the film versions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 We do have the shawm cue. It leaked last year, but unfortunately it's the film edit, so the orchestra is present along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: We do have the shawm cue. It leaked last year, but unfortunately it's the film edit, so the orchestra is present along with it. From a podcast. Compressed. lossy. Lame. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Well, it's better than not having it at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Cerebral Cortex and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Getting to hear so many unreleased cues without SFX is certainly reigniting the flame of my love for this score, and I'm very happy about it. Some particularly interesting unreleased bits: Don't Follow Me Finn Helps Poe Talking With Grandfather Hux's Speech Kylo Arrives At Battle (film version) Preparing For The Mission Ice Landing Rey On Wall Shootout Evacuation - Rey Finds Finn I notice that the score flows really well as it is here and it's great for listening! Reminds me of the War Horse recording sessions in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Wan 65 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Is there any chance to get this expanded/complete score without SFX? I would be very grateful for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 1:11 AM, Manakin Skywalker said: We do have the shawm cue. It leaked last year, but unfortunately it's the film edit, so the orchestra is present along with it. We only have like two seconds of that cue, the isolated score would contain at least another minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, E-Wan said: Is there any chance to get this expanded/complete score without SFX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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