The Official Sir Christopher Nolan Church Thread - Oscar-winning Saviour of the Celluloid

[CinderTech 1,776]

If Varese can refer to them as Lana and Lily on the booklet for the official Complete Edition of the first score, then it really should be a non-issue at this point. We genuinely have no idea what exactly was going through both sisters heads at the time, so to subconsciously suggest that they were comfortable with themselves would be pretty disrespectful if this were to be someone we know personally.

[Xander Harris 9,568]

Is Nolan transitioning? He'd better do something about that extreme receded hairline.

[Jill Sandwich 11,045]

7 minutes ago, Xander Harris said:

Is Nolan transitioning? He'd better do something about that extreme receded hairline.

 

The cure for his baldness will be available soon.

[Bellosh 4,525]

catching up to this thread

 

 

 

12 hours ago, A24 said:

It's not bland but I can see why people from the Spielberg church see it that way.

 

Spielberg isn't a church.

 

it is the way.

[Yodaschild 1,582]

It says a lot about a group of people when they think "scolding" bigots is worse than bigots themselves.

[filmmusic 3,221]

We're off topic here of course, but I wanted to ask:

Have the credits in the Matrix UHDs changed the directors' names?

[CinderTech 1,776]

No. Why would they? It's already bad enough in regards to color timing dominating any discussion regarding the different prints of the movies. Actually changing the contents would just lead to backlash over altering the films to a more substantial degree. I'm sure The Wachowskis are the sorts to accept their past works being time capsules.

 

Besides, I'm sure it'd be a legal nightmare in regards to crediting and royalties anyway.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,205]

10 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Sure, shit happens — and if you’ve clearly offended someone, you hopefully apologize sincerely and they hopefully accept your sincere apology.

 

Yavar

 

Yes mom.

[Naïve Old Fart 12,904]

Why don't we all read Homer (Lattimore, of course )?

It'll be better than the film, and it'll save you a fortune in cinema tickets, hot dogs, nachos, popcorn, Mountain Dew, etc.

[BloodBoal 8,538]

You can't eat while reading? 

[Yavar Moradi 4,367]

12 hours ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

Yes mom.

 

Good boy.

Yavar

[Mr. Hooper 8,671]

1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said:

 

Good boy.

Yavar

Now, Yavar, do you want to ask him what he was doing stoned in an elevator? 

[Jill Sandwich 11,045]

[Nick1Ø66 8,157]

Oh for f*ck's sake.

 

Every time this subject comes up we have the usual moralsing scolds scolding people who have an opinion even slightly different from theirs.

 

This is why we can't have nice things around here.

 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,205]

6 hours ago, Mr. Hooper said:

Now, Yavar, do you want to ask him what he was doing stoned in an elevator? 

 

Checking my mail box

[Nick1Ø66 8,157]

2 hours ago, FBC Director said:

 

It puts the lotion on its skin...

 

Steef's spirit animal is a little pony.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,205]

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DUVizdniMPi/

 

Helen of Troy was born from an egg?

[Jill Sandwich 11,045]

Don't you remember when Princess Daisy was born of an egg in Super Mario Brothers?

[BloodBoal 8,538]

48 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

Helen of Troy was born from an egg?

 

She's a chick. So what? 

[A24 5,123]

1 hour ago, FBC Director said:

Don't you remember when Princess Daisy was born of an egg in Super Mario Brothers?

 

In America kids are protected from the truth.

[Jill Sandwich 11,045]

6 minutes ago, A24 said:

 

In America kids are protected from the truth.

 

Fearful of a rebellion here, Ra outlawed reading and writing. He didn't want people to remember the truth. 

[BloodBoal 8,538]

You can't handle the truth! 

[Yavar Moradi 4,367]

8 hours ago, A24 said:

In America kids are protected from the truth.

 

In America everyone is "protected" from the truth.

 

Yavar

[WampaRat 1,955]

Anyone ever listen to this or watch the mini series back in the day? It’s a trip.  There’s some cool tones in here that I could picture a more adventurous Nolan allowing Ludwig to pursue. The main theme is really lovely. (The last four tracks are a really nice). But it’s certainly a very 90s mishmash of Vangelis and Eric Serra in some of the more grating parts.

 

Im eager to hear what Ludwig comes up with. I hope it’s got a lot of personality whatever it ends up sounding like. And it ends up being used as temp track for  the following decade 😉

 

 

[Jay 45,826]

Footage shown at CinemaCon

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/christopher-nolan-new-footage-the-odyssey-1236565170/

[Jay 45,826]

The Odyssey will be UNDER 3 hours long

 

https://deadline.com/2026/04/spielberg-nolan-minions-oscars-cinemacon-1236862546/

[badbu 194]

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,205]

Interesting.

[crocodile 9,637]

Looks OK to me, although something about the overall production design feels...weird. It's not that I cannot accept it but feels a bit like it was based on 17-18th cetury painting vision of this story than the "hightened reality" you'd expect from Nolan. In the context of his aesthetic, this feels bit "staged". Quite an odd choice for a modern movie like this. But I am still quite excited for this.

 

I do hope that Ludwig's music is more interesting than what we've heard so far. I am not expecting a 1950s style but some colour and melody would be welcome.

 

Karol

[A24 5,123]

I'm tired of the typical emotional bits. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,205]

It seems surpringly emotional for a Nolan film.

[Naïve Old Fart 12,904]

It looks good, I'll give it that.

Is that a glimpse of Polyphemus?

[A24 5,123]

39 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

It seems surpringly emotional for a Nolan film.

 

He's not good at it so he copies Gladiator and others like it. I wouldn't be surprised if Odysseus is going to walk though a wheat field caressing the wheat with his hand, making even Drax reach for a hanky.

[Nick1Ø66 8,157]

Great trailer on many levels. But.

 

Well, damn. I SO want to love this. I’m a Nolan fan, fan of the source material (Fagles translation of course, sorry Richard 😜) and fan of this genre. Along with Dune III, It’s my most anticipated movie of the year. 

 

And I’m sure I’ll like it. But...but…that casting.  I was taken out of the trailer half a dozen times noticing the stars. And every time I saw Matt Damon I saw Matt Damon. I know casting big names is Nolan’s thing, but it really sticks out to me this time. I’d rather see what Scott  pulled off in Gladiator…cast Russell Crowe before he was Russell Crowe.

 

And hearing Spider-Man say “My dad’s coming home”?  WTF 😂 “Dad”? I can only think Nolan is going for a kind of intentional anachronism with the film. 

I don’t know. Maybe it’s a studio mandate, because otherwise you might have trouble getting people into the seats to see an adaptation of a 2,000+ year old Greek poem.

 

Oh, and anyone else getting serious Cylon vibes from the Automatons of Hephaestus? They look like Toasters.

 

 

[Chen G. 6,064]

9 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

And hearing Spider Man say “My dad’s coming home”?  WTF 😂 “Dad”? I can only think Nolan is going for a kind of intentional anachronism with the film. 

 

Well, you know, Nolan makes "all-star" movies but he also in many ways makes very American movies in subject matter (The Prestige and Dunkirk being notably exceptions) so in many ways, we're probably getting an "Americanized" version.

 

It started with Denzel's American accent in Gladiator 2. I fear the days of "Old World accents for Old World subject matter" are passing, and we're back into the 1950s with yankees playing Roman generals...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,205]

6 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

fear the days of "Old World accents for Old World subject matter" are passing, and we're back into the 1950s with yankees playing Roman generals...

 

Which is in no way less artificial or inaccurate than the old stalwart of English thespian speech.

[Nick1Ø66 8,157]

You’re right, of course, Steef.

 

Buuuuuutttttt, audiences have become accustomed to certain cinematic conventions. For example, shooting in 48fps is no less legitimate than the 24fps we’re used to. It’s arguably more “realistic” to what the eye sees. But it feels unnatural, because people expect film to look a certain way. When it doesn’t, we reject it (e.g.the HFR Hobbit). 

 

In other words, all historical epics, especially those set in the far flung past, should feature thespians with vaguely British sounding accents! Preferably classically trained. 😜

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,205]

Perhaps Nolan is the iconiclast who doesn't care about any of that?

 

I mean he's the guy that made dialogue deliberately hard to hear in Interstellar?

 

 

[A24 5,123]

10 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

 

 

I mean he's the guy that made dialogue deliberately hard to hear in Interstellar?

 

 

 

Which he copied from Malick.

[Nick1Ø66 8,157]

1 hour ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

Perhaps Nolan is the iconiclast who doesn't care about any of that?

Almost certainly. 
 

50 minutes ago, A24 said:

 

Which he copied from Malick.

Copied, borrowed or stole?

[Naïve Old Fart 12,904]

1 hour ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

... fan of the source material (Fagles translation of course, sorry Richard 😜)

It's Lattimore, or nothing! 

[Nick1Ø66 8,157]

43 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

It's Lattimore, or nothing! 

 

Honestly I don’t know you Lattimore partisans live with yourselves.

[Naïve Old Fart 12,904]

I am well versed in the classics, Nick.

I read Lattimore in high school, and I have a fondness for his translation that as stayed with me.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,205]

4 hours ago, A24 said:

 

Which he copied from Malick.

 

Nobody watches Malick though. 

People line up in droves to hear (or not hear) the words of our Lord and Saviour Christopher.

[Nick1Ø66 8,157]

 

 

53 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I am well versed in the classics, Nick.

I read Lattimore in high school, and I have a fondness for his translation that as stayed with me.

 

 

I'm just taking the piss out of a very old debate among translation geeks.  I'll just never forget hearing a couple guys from the classics department when I was at uni, arguing over this issue, with great intensity, and one guy calling the Lattimore fan a "scoundrel". It was fairly hilarious. My mates and I laughed about that and called each other scoundrel over the slightest disagreement about art for years. I'd probably mock translation geeks harder if, well, I wasn't sort of one of them.

 

Anyway, for those blissfully unfamiliar, welcome to the translation wars. There is the camp who prefer "literal" transitions, which try to match the original language as close as possible (e.g. Lattimore), sometimes at the expensive of readability, and the camps who prefer translations which greater capture the spirit and flow of the original text, sometimes at the expense of literal accuracy (Fagles). This is the approach I tend to favor in translations.

 

Then there's all the other variations in between, from Caroline Alexander more recently taking the Lattimore approach, Fitzgerald leaning into Homer's poetry, and most recently, and interestingly, Emily Watson doing it in iambic pentameter. And I’m sure many more I’m unaware of. 

 

Anyway, yeah, Lattimore was the gold standard forever, and in some ways still is. I just tend to prefer Fagles more dramatic and performative approach. Which is probably why that's the translation used in McKellan's (excellent) reading, well performance really, for the audiobook.

 

And all this is nothing. There's a huge war about the translations of the Russian classics that makes the Homer wars look positively tame.

[A24 5,123]

7 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

 

Nobody watches Malick though. 

People line up in droves to hear (or not hear) the words of our Lord and Saviour Christopher.

 

Oh, that's right! I forgot my place for a while. What I meant to say is, Malick has stolen everything from Nolan. And everybody knows it! 

[Naïve Old Fart 12,904]

10 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

 

 

 

 

The benefits of a classical education.

[Nick1Ø66 8,157]

Indeed. I could talk about Lattimore vs. Fagles and current translation fashions all day, but this is a movie thread I'm afraid Nolan must intrude.

[Stark 982]

I have my concerns about this film but this trailer is great. And I support American accents in more mythic movies

[Chen G. 6,064]

I see nothing wrong with the convention of using old-world accents. Not used to 'Murican accents in period films.