Jay 37,336 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Wasn't he (Joseph) credited for the source cues somewhere (apart from the Wiki page I just linked to), though? I'm not saying it's true, just that I remember reading that somewhere else... Maybe it was actually here, at JWFAN. A member spreading lies... Stiff? His official PDF at Gorfaine Schwartz (which seems to be down at the moment) had an error on it that lists his AOTC cue ("Cafe sequence") twice, once under AOTC and once under TPM. You may be thinking of that. John definitely wrote the TPM source music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jay said: His official PDF at Gorfaine Schwartz (which seems to be down at the moment) had an error on it that lists his AOTC cue ("Cafe sequence") twice, once under AOTC and once under TPM. You may be thinking of that. Maybe, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Exciting news! Female singer listed under the music department for TLJ, as part of an ensemble! http://m.imdb.com/name/nm8849878/filmotype/music_department?ref_=m_nmfm_1 Also performed on Rogue One, La La Land and many other films but no previous collaborations with Williams. Her credits are quite specific regarding contributions to each film (ensemble, soprano, trio, soloist, etc.) so this is an exciting development if accurate. Wonder if she had anything to do the choir on Spielberg/Williams Vol 3? Will and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: Also performed on Rogue One, La La Land and many other films but no previous collaborations with Williams. Her credits are quite specific regarding contributions to each film (ensemble, soprano, trio, soloist, etc.) so this is an exciting development if accurate. 100% confirmed! Michael Giacchino to replace Williams on The Last Jedi! John, crumbs and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Has he already taken over and Disney just haven't gotten around to writing the press release? Someone should tweet this singer and ask! Also, if she performed a choir rendition of Rey's Theme with solo cello! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2017 31 minutes ago, crumbs said: Exciting news! Female singer listed under the music department for TLJ, as part of an ensemble! http://m.imdb.com/name/nm8849878/filmotype/music_department?ref_=m_nmfm_1 Also performed on Rogue One, La La Land So, Another Rey Of Sun? crumbs, Taikomochi and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 City of Clouds, are you floating just for me? 🎵 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It's another day of sun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2017 http://boards.theforce.net/threads/john-williams-to-score-star-wars-episode-viii.50041407/page-12#post-54356645 DarthDementous, Cerebral Cortex, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Good. Those horns on the opening notes of TFA were hilariously weak. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2017 I must be the only one who thought it was fine DominicCobb, Bofur01, Dixon Hill and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I didn't have any issue with it either. But I'm still really happy to get a new recording, of course. kelliwisethebrave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Good news. I'd much rather each film have its own main title recording. Gives each score a greater sense of separate character. crumbs and kelliwisethebrave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I'll never understand why they didn't redo them for the latter 2 prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I mean, they were made during one of the most prolific periods of Williams' career. He was stretched so thinly from 2001-2005. But it doesn't seem like it would have added all that much in terms of cost or time to just record again each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It's 90 seconds of music, come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I think the re-using of the main title from Ep1 was less a JW decision and more a money-saving GL decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Oh I'm sure. Only an emotional autist would decide to do that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 That's the assumption. Just such a weird random thing to skimp on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I'm always wondering; is that a harmonica at the end of the main titles on the TPM and AOTC OSTs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Good. Those horns on the opening notes of TFA were hilariously weak. Muad'Dib, Alex, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Jesus Christ. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 2 hours ago, BloodBoal said: I love this website Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Who is that? They have to be a JWFan member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It's Old Man Bloodboal, up once again to his clever Photoshop tricks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Not a bad idea though! Pretty limited appeal for a parody Twitter account but those are my favorite kind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 There's a Hans Zimmer parody account but all the tweets are by Lorne Balfe and Geoff Zanelli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Alex said: There's a Hans Zimmer parody account but all the tweets are by Lorne Balfe and Geoff Zanelli Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Link? It was a Hans Zimmer/ghostwriter joke, but clearly not a very good one haha 🙈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hans Zimmer does not employ ghostwriters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Clearly the joke was off the widespread misconception that he does. Only an idiot thinks Zimmer doesn't credit where credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Hans Zimmer does not employ ghostwriters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted May 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2017 I'm surprised Rian answered that question about the Main Titles (given it was one of the lingering questions we all had about VIII's score) but glad to hear Williams did a new recording. I've a feeling that opening note will sound quite different this time. Hopefully they adjusted the recording setup and JW conducted it this time. I much prefer each film having their own recording; gives each score a different character. rpvee, Cerebral Cortex and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 5 hours ago, JohnSolo said: I'm always wondering; is that a harmonica at the end of the main titles on the TPM and AOTC OSTs? More likely it's some combination of woodwinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Drew said: More likely it's some combination of woodwinds. That's actually a set of trumpets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 The classic gesture that always concludes the opening titles? Muted trumpets, clarinets, oboes, flutes an octave up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I'm glad they're recording a new one. As said before, it makes each film and score more unique. I'm guessing that Lucas was so obsessed with uniformity that he wanted all the prequels to sound the same. Wouldn't be the last time he tracked music from an earlier episode for that reason. I like the TFA recording, apart from some glaring issues. The first note is weak and the horns are way too loud at 0:15. The horns are supposed to be loud during the second phrase at 0:24 but they're actually softer. crumbs and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I don't hate the TFA version but I found it distracting when I first saw the film. My musical theory isn't strong enough to explain exactly why it doesn't "feel" right, but there was a great breakdown on Star Wars Oxygen (and clearly a lot of people took issue with it; even Red Letter Media noted the opening note felt wrong but ultimately speculated it was the lack of 20th Century Fox fanfare preceding it). I think it has a lot more to do with the recording than the performance (note the very distant brass at 0.02 compared to the LSO recordings). We can't disregard another conductor's idiosyncrasies either; Dudamel's a fantastic interpreter of Williams but nobody understands Star Wars music like Williams himself. After listening to The Lost World on repeat lately, I'd love it if the brass in TLJ more closely reflected that recording. It's too close, dry and loud throughout TFA for my liking (clearly intentional, just not my cup of tea). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I wonder if JW conducted (the main titles) this time or whether he brought in Gustavo Dudamel again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 hours ago, crumbs said: I don't hate the TFA version but I found it distracting when I first saw the film. My musical theory isn't strong enough to explain exactly why it doesn't "feel" right, but there was a great breakdown on Star Wars Oxygen (and clearly a lot of people took issue with it; even Red Letter Media noted the opening note felt wrong but ultimately speculated it was the lack of 20th Century Fox fanfare preceding it). I think it has a lot more to do with the recording than the performance (note the very distant brass at 0.02 compared to the LSO recordings). We can't disregard another conductor's idiosyncrasies either; Dudamel's a fantastic interpreter of Williams but nobody understands Star Wars music like Williams himself. After listening to The Lost World on repeat lately, I'd love it if the brass in TLJ more closely reflected that recording. It's too close, dry and loud throughout TFA for my liking (clearly intentional, just not my cup of tea). There's something about it that makes it sound like the brass are overblowing or something. Kinda reminds me of a mono recording sometimes. It had this sorta cool old-school novelty at first but it's worn a little thin for me. Like I dunno if it's recording, performance, composition/orchestration, or what, but much as I admire it I still find myself nitpicking at things in TFA in a way that I don't with his others, including other recent ones like BFG. Even tracks that I love, like something about how this lone horn note sounds after the sforzando...I dunno what it is, it just reminds me of that pinched sound when I couldn't sustain a high note or ran out of breath: There's some other balance stuff, like how much louder the horns are than the trumpets on the Luke's theme variation. It just sounds a bit strange or at least just different to other Williams scores, but I don't know if I'm crazy or what. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 There was definitely a conscious creative decision to make TFA sound very dry accoustically. Hopefully TLJ moves back to Murphy's recording setup from the prequels. Everything felt even and balanced; the brass didn't sound like each instrument had the microphone shoved deep in the bell. I love the 'concert hall' feeling of TPM; it's like classical music in parts. The score sounded bigger and more grandiose (probably because of the larger scoring stage). Perhaps it's a contributing factor to re-recording Main Title; the score is accoustically different and they want every cue to match. Or maybe, now he's back on his feet, Williams is just too much of a perfectionist to invite other conductors to the podium this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 You want them to sound more like the prequels, you want Williams to use choir like in the prequels. You just want a prequel score! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Well, a blend of the OT and PT. I could do without the Grievous/Rathtars percussion stuff though. Disco Stu and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 What's kind of funny is that "Finn's Confession" gives us a direct point of comparison for the recordings of TFA and TPM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 What we need is everything that was good in the OT and the PT and nothing that was bad in those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 5/29/2017 at 2:28 PM, Disco Stu said: Good news. I'd much rather each film have its own main title recording. Gives each score a greater sense of separate character. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 hours ago, BloodBoal said: What we need is everything that was good in the OT and the PT and nothing that was bad in those! Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 No thanks. Never been as big a fan of that as others. I'm very glad the sound of the new trilogy isn't so... overbearing. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2017 26 minutes ago, SafeUnderHill said: Here you go Episode 8 Ideal Score I was actually thinking something more like this... rpvee, SafeUnderHill, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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