skyy38 21 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I thought that I was being as original as one could be , in the now, when I wrote my own version of REY'S THEME. A colleague of mine told me otherwise. So, here's a challenge, if JW Fans are STILL as intelligent as I give them credit for, in spite of all the "clutter." WHO did I rip off from and WHAT movie, according to the short quote illustrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Going out on a huge limb here and am going to say you took some inspiration from Rey's Theme from Star Wars: The Force Awakens as masterfully composed by Maestro John Williams? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 40 minutes ago, skyy38 said: I thought that I was being as original as one could be , in the now, when I wrote my own version of REY'S THEME. A colleague of mine told me otherwise. So, here's a challenge, if JW Fans are STILL as intelligent as I give them credit for, in spite of all the "clutter." WHO did I rip off from and WHAT movie, according to the short quote illustrated? Ernest Gold's Exodus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 20 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Going out on a huge limb here and am going to say you took some inspiration from Rey's Theme from Star Wars: The Force Awakens as masterfully composed by Maestro John Williams? I rewrote REY'S THEME because I was not happy with Williams version, and therefore would NOT take any "inspiration" from it. 5 minutes ago, curlytoot said: Ernest Gold's Exodus. Congratulations Curly! Thanks to you, THIS will be a very SHORT thread! Nice to know that someone is STILL on the ball! ...and it's back to the drawing KEYBOARDS for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Pack it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 You hack! What's wrong with Rey's Theme though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 It's not memorable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Eat your words when skyy38 eloquently receives the Oscar for Episode IX. Not Mr. Big and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Skyy38, are you a trolling JWFan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 hours ago, skyy38 said: I rewrote REY'S THEME because I was not happy with Williams version, and therefore would NOT take any "inspiration" from it. Only on JWfan! Sigh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 The Force Awakens score is shit! I wish Hans Zimmer and Michael Giacchino had scored the film together, it would've been god-like. Williams needs to retire. His music is too confusing with all those different musical instruments happening at once. Hans Zimmer's music is so much easier to understand because every instrument is playing the same notes at the same time, all the time. It makes the music more memorable. Not Mr. Big, Cerebral Cortex and Scarpia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 While I will admit I think most people are overreacting when they call the TFA soundtrack "bad music," I do think we should also be willing to rationally consider the notion that the TFA score might just be the absolute worst sludge of musical grammar ever spawned from the bowels of human consciousness. crumbs and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 skyy38 just wants to see Williams kick the bucket already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 skyy38 is Hans Zimmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, crumbs said: The Force Awakens score is shit! I wish Hans Zimmer and Michael Giacchino had scored the film together, it would've been god-like. Williams needs to retire. His music is too confusing with all those different musical instruments happening at once. Hans Zimmer's music is so much easier to understand because every instrument is playing the same notes at the same time, all the time. It makes the music more memorable. I do wish he would go back to a more pronounced classical melodic approach. Sometimes I have the feeling I'm only hearing embellishments without a strong core theme. I can't image KM is humming tracks from TFA when he's taking a shower. I could be wrong though ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 So far KM seems to have been underwelmed by it. So you are wong. When was the last time JW really went for an old fasioned classical melodic approach? Harry Potter? And that was a bit of a fluke already. TFA comes rather close to it though. It's thematically very rich. Though not quite as instantly accessible as his original trilogy scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Stop talking about Williams. This is skyy38's shining hour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, Stefancos said: So far KM seems to have been underwelmed by it. So you are wong. That's what I suspected. Can't you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: I do wish he would go back to a more pronounced classical melodic approach. Sometimes I have the feeling I'm only hearing embellishments without a strong core theme. I can't image KM is humming tracks from TFA when he's taking a shower. I could be wrong though ... Well the aforementioned post was satirical but I agree with your sentiment. I was alternating cues from ESB with TFA today and the difference between Williams' 80's and 10's sensibilities is vast. He built each cue from his older scores around a strong core idea, and the orchestration branched out from that idea with confidence in its simplicity. His modern action writing is admittedly rewarding after multiple listens and the orchestration is stunningly complex, but it feels unfocused and unsatisfying by comparison. It doesn't tell a story musically in the way cues like The Asteroid Chase or Rescue from Cloud City did. I think this stems from Williams not wanting to re-use his old themes unless asked to, and his seeming disinterest in writing new themes that have the simplicity of his 80's ones. That said, I'll still take it over the headache-inducing garbage Zimmer writes, and Giacchino's enjoyable but far too simplistic surface-level writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I didn't have coffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: His modern action writing is admittedly rewarding after multiple listens and the orchestration is stunningly complex, Sounds like hard work - the last thing you'd expect from a SW score. I find it not complicated at all, rather leaner and to the point compared to the splendor of his scores to, especially, ESB and TOD. But then, all those rhythmically driven shenanigans are more of an answer to the demands of the filmmaking style and less part of a cunning plan to get overly complex in his dotage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 True, he probably gave up on spending weeks writing perfectly timed 4 minute symphonic masterpieces after the advent of that little tool called the AVID. His modern music is almost designed specifically for looping, tracking and editing to accommodate the reality of modern post-production. Now that I think about, The Phantom Menace was probably the last straw. That and Lost World were really the turning point in his action writing style and both films had notoriously messy edits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Yeah. He just missed the in-between years because he never took those blue collar jobs like EXECUTIVE DECISION or DEEP RISING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Williams needed to pull a Patrick Doyle's Stepmom with Goldsmith once in a while. Just imagine: ALIEN Composed and Conducted by John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I'd rather have GREMLINS 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I rather doubt Williams would have done a better job then Goldsmith on either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 What about Medicine Man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Excellent score, what's your problem with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 But would Williams have written a better score? Or Hans Zimmer, while we're on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 We aren't on topic. There is no topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Sometimes Jerry Goldsmith was just better than John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I feel like they used to have a rivalry that forced Williams to write better music. Now that he's unchallenged and unmatched in the industry he's able to get away with writing generic garbage like Rey's Theme. I only hope he can one day match the aural orgasm that is Jablonsky's Optimus vs. Megatron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: So far KM seems to have been underwelmed by it. So you are wong. When was the last time JW really went for an old fasioned classical melodic approach? Harry Potter? And that was a bit of a fluke already. TFA comes rather close to it though. It's thematically very rich. Though not quite as instantly accessible as his original trilogy scores. Anyone who says TFA hasn't got strong melodies or themes hasn't bothered to actually listen to it, not properly. We were almost completely dumbed down to accept short little ditties and basic pop motifs until John Williams returned with a couple of swaggeringly confident themes which while not being immediately accessible are an absolute delight for anyone who appreciates and enjoys long and satisfyingly rich composition in their thematic music. These themes are highly developed and almost feel extended, by today's standards. Pea brained tiny attention span X-Factor viewers don't know how to deal with that high quality shit these days. /hums Rey's theme Arpy, Loert, Sharkissimo and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Wait, which version of Rey's theme are you humming? Skyy's or Williams'? Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Since I think Rey will turn bad and become Darth Reyder, while Kylo Ren becomes the goodie in subsequent films, I want to hear how Rey's Theme becomes a death march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Quintus said: Anyone who says TFA hasn't got strong melodies or themes hasn't bothered to actually listen to it, not properly. We were almost completely dumbed down to accept short little ditties and basic pop motifs until John Williams returned with a couple of swaggeringly confident themes which while not being immediately accessible are an absolute delight for anyone who appreciates and enjoys long and satisfyingly rich composition in their thematic music. These themes are highly developed and almost feel extended, by today's standards. Pea brained X-Factor viewers don't know how to deal with that high quality shit these days. /hums Rey's theme I can accept that the type of people who write Youtube comments or even the geeks at TheForceNet arent able or willing to give this score the chance it deserves to really sink in. But that there are people on JWFan who seemingly can't be arsed to do so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 TFA has been warmly received on JWFan, after repeat listens. Skyy doesn't speak for everyone. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, Drax said: Since I think Rey will turn bad and become Darth Reyder, while Kylo Ren becomes the goodie in subsequent films, I want to hear how Rey's Theme becomes a death march. I was actually wondering something similar about The Resistance March this morning. I bet there's an alternate with snares somewhere. And I bet the alleged YouTube naysayers crowd would be lauding how badass it is, had it shipped with them. But Williams has been there, done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I rather like the fact that Williams eschews snares in that theme and minimizes the use of timpany. It's mostly brass and strings, yet it sounds as full bodied as it can be. Kinda like Psycho sounds like a full ensemble score even if it only uses strings. Heave weight composers like Williams and Herrman can do that. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Is there an alternate with Inception BWARRROOAMMS overlays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Everyone! Stop liking Stefan's posts and appreciate the significance of his current number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Huh what? People are liking me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Look at your number of likes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 He has 1 like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 You like me! You really really like me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 My like/post ratio is higher than Steef's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 My post to like ratio is 1:0.12. Quality over quantity, JJ baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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