Josh500 1,615 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I don't know this score. I was wondering whether I should get this (yes, I'm at that used record shop again!!)... I saw it today, used, in very good condition, around 20 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Outstanding score. But it's not for the timid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Really outstanding!? You mean it's in your top 10? (Or even top 20?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Hard to put against other scores as it's so different. But for that reason it's worth getting. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Waiting for Sharky's enamoured, elaborate post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Every John Williams score is worth getting! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 And for 20 bucks Images is a steal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Go for it Josh! One of Williams's really experimental scores (has a similarly strong central musical concept as his other Altman collaboration The Long Goodbye even if stylistically miles away from it) that combines the strange and avant garde with his lyric melodism. It is a haunting piece in more ways than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 It has a lot of great themes. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 It's a masterpiece and one to throw in the face of those who think Williams is only about late romantic stylings. A clear 5-star and must-have for every serious Williams fan -- even if it's a challenging listen. It's a brilliant film too (photograped by the late Vilmos Zsigmond), and to hear the score in context is quite a marvel. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,118 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 For 20 bucks, go for it, but expect the unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Altough it may be a well executed exercice in style ("expertimental" as they say), the soundtrack taked out of the context of the movie may have aged badly. For my part, just for the breathings in the music, I can't listen to that... And i'm not really into violent percussive music... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Bespin said: Altough it may be a well executed exercice in style ("expertimental" as they say), the soundtrack taked out of the context of the movie may have aged badly. How has it "aged badly"? Is there something distinctly 1970s that's made it obsolete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 It's mostly too weird to listen to. A masterpiece? Top 10? When did I shift into an alternate quantum reality where everyone is a bunch of Korays? Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted January 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2016 Blood Moon is one of the all time great JW tracks Marian Schedenig, Darth Mulder and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Drax said: How has it "aged badly"? Is there something distinctly 1970s that's made it obsolete? Yes, a heavy breathing of a sexual maniac on an instrumental track of the 1970s, that's f*** obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Not sure I follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 It still has one killer theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Definitely buy it. That first listen, when it's all unexpected, is pretty trippy. It is a violent, innovative, atmospheric score with bursts of more traditional Williams lyricism. Very much worth the purchase. Thor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I don't own it but this thread has reminded me that I really should go and listen to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 It was reissued for digital download in 2012, don't know if the sound has been improved. Maybe the breathing is more clear. Ha ha. Images [The Original Sound Track Recording] (1972, Hemdale Music, JW 1/2, Promo) In Search Of Unicorns; The House; Dogs, Ponies & Old Ruins; Visitations; Reflections; The Killing Of Marcel; The Love Montage; Blood Moon; Land Of The Ums; Nightwatch Rise; The Waterfall And The Final Chapter. (Reissued in 2007, Prometheus/Belgium, PCD163) (Reissued for digital download in 2012, BSX Records) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I like the wacky stuff, but am a bit bored by the more familiar dirgey stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The avant gard stuff is unique for Williams, but the rest is very typical for the JW of that time, and film music of that time. Light classically inspired music. Along the lines of those gentle Love Story melodies that audiences loved back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2016 I love the sparse dirge-y theme, especially in its End Titles rendition with those blood curdling violins. If the theme from The Fury is the Imperial March's father, then this is its schizophrenic mother. I wouldn't say the rest of Images has dated, but it's film music that could've only have been recorded between roughly 1968 and 1973. I think that's what Bespin is saying. It sits comfortably alongside scores like Peter Maxwell Davies's The Devils or Harrison Birtwhistle's The Offence. Very New Music Manchester in its sensibilities (it's as English as Jane Eyre, in a different sense), despite the range of Kabuki percussion, Shakuhatchi, Quena (which Williams always writes as "Inca flute"), and the Baschet sonic sculptures. The late 60s and early 70s were years when producers, directors and money men's minds were open to this kind of experimentation. It's easy to say "because drugs, dude", but I think the critical and financial success of Planet of the Apes had more to do with it. The viability of a blockbuster with a serial score laid open the doors for less commercial films to go for avant-garde soundtracks. Bespin, KK and Dixon Hill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The "Blood Moon" theme and the more romantic parts of the score are SUPPOSED to be "light" or "pastiche", as they represent Cathryn's imagined fantasy world. The harsh atonality initially represents the "threat of reality" intruding on her fantasy world. Eventually, however, the two musical worlds collide and merge, just as Cathryn's own perception of the world around her does the same. This is one of the scores that is more interesting to decipher in context with the film, in relation with the images (no pun intended). But if I'm in the mood for it, I also love to get totally lost in the music itself, a constant battle between two musical forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaralyyth 111 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 7 hours ago, Jay said: Every John Williams score is worth getting! This. John Williams speaks for himself. If it was composed by John Williams, it is worth adding to your collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I say go for it. It's quite possible you won't listen to it endlessly, but it has some great stuff on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 All right, thanks for your input. I'm getting it... Really, I don't know why I hesitated in the first place. At this point, owning approximately 95% of JW releases, it'd be weird if I didn't buy it... Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 On 1/10/2016 at 4:21 PM, Zaralyth said: This. John Williams speaks for himself. If it was composed by John Williams, it is worth adding to your collection. I don't know if I'd agree with that, but Images is definitely worth getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Every Williams score is worth owning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Let us know what you think, Josh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: Every Williams score is worth owning! Even AI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I have that on CD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 On 1/15/2016 at 6:08 PM, Stefancos said: Every Williams score is worth owning! Almost every Williams score is worth owning. I could easily do without Rosewood or the early 60s scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Rosewood is the bomb though. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 It's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 5 hours ago, Gnome in Plaid said: Almost every Williams score is worth owning. I could easily do without Rosewood or the early 60s scores. ROSEWOOD is fantastic (although the film leaves something to be desired). And the early 60s scores is what I'm MOST interested in these days -- some great stuff there. If you're a proper Williams fan, you'd want to explore ALL his periods and styles and scores; from the late 50s to present day. I've never understood how some people manage to put a "stop" in their Williams interest after the obligatory STAR WARSes and HARRY POTTERs and INDIANA JONESes. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Early 60's is Johnny Williams, not John Williams. That stuff is certainly interesting. But doesn't represent his best period. It's like the origin story. Steve Rogers before he became Captain America. Kind, gentle, earnest and hardworking. But you wouldn't trust him to save America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Maybe not "best" period, but I've always been endlessly fascinated by career beginnings (whether composers, directors or other artists) -- finding the seeds of what he or she will become. In fact, I'm more interested in that these days than harping on endlessly about the 'true and tired' classics. I would think this is a normal curiousity once you've found a composer you like, but I'm continually surprised by how easily Williams "fans" ignore particular aspects of his career, just because it sounds different in some way. Incidentally, there are several things in this part of his career that have many of his more later, classical stylings. It's not all jazz. Some of the same applies to IMAGES too. Even if the music or film is not your preferred style, one should be fascinated by the many musical faces of John Williams, at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 38 minutes ago, Thor said: Maybe not "best" period, but I've always been endlessly fascinated by career beginnings (whether composers, directors or other artists) -- finding the seeds of what he or she will become. That's what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Yeah. But I also think there's a lot of self-sufficient quality in this period beyond just the 'gimmick' of being early beginnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: That stuff is certainly interesting. But doesn't represent his best period. It's like the origin story. Steve Rogers before he became Captain America. Kind, gentle, earnest and hardworking. But in the Superman score, that's the best part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Yes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 IMAGES is a 5-star score. It deserves nothing less. The Prometheus CD has pretty good sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I agree, although it's so different from anything else that he's done, that it almost deserves to be in a sub-category of its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Oh, I'd rank it high above '20' in Williams' canon. The film is also in my Top 10 of JW-scored movies. At least. It's the only proper "artfilm" on his resume, and I can't help but wonder what would have come of the Altman collaboration, had it been allowed to continue. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Thor, baby, it did continue, with THE LONG GOODBYE...but I know what you mean. Did you know that JW was scheduled to score QUINTET? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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