Incanus 5,714 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 15 hours ago, crocodile said: It is good. I haven't seen this film in years. Great performance but Williams overused Hedwig's theme. It's a terrific theme but there's too much of it in there. Karol Undeniably there is a lot of it especially at the beginning but the score slowly becomes more diverse. And by the frequent use of Hedwig's theme Johnny makes sure people remember the main theme after leaving the theater. And yes Harry's musical material is lovely and very much captures those emotions you mention in a direct manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I went to the performance in the Royal Albert Hall on Friday and thought it was great. I had not seen the film in years, nor had I listened to the score much recently, but both were much better than I had remembered. It was brilliant to see and hear a proper choir of about thirty musicians on stage too for the several choral cues, something that was missing from the Raiders of the Lost Ark and Jurassic Park live in concert performances, magnificent as those were nonetheless. The music for The Quidditch Match and The Chess Game were particular highlights to witness live. The audience clearly loved the film too. When Dumbledore was talking to Harry in his sick bed near the end of the film, the girl in the seat behind me (who must have been in her mid twenties) was proper crying, much to the amusement of her friend sitting next to her. And when Dumbledore announced that he was awarding some extra points in view of the recent Voldemort-related events, someone shouted out, "It's a fix!" Incidentally, tickets for Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets at the Royal Albert Hall in April 2018 are now on sale and appear to be selling well, so I would not be at all surprised if extra performances were added: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted May 15, 2017 Author Share Posted May 15, 2017 We didn't have those kind of reactions, but my audience included a few hysterical trolley witch fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Omen II said: Incidentally, tickets for Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets at the Royal Albert Hall in April 2018 are now on sale and appear to be selling well, so I would not be at all surprised if extra performances were added: CoS will be getting 4 performances in Rotterdam rather than 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Psycho Pianist 216 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Am I missing something or was all of the pre-concert BTS footage from the original HP1 sessions all previously unseen? I've certainly never seen it before, particularly those shots of JW conducting at AIR with the choir up on the balcony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Wasn't all of that in the Creating the World of HP Part 4: Sound and Music documentary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 They played the DVD features before the concert yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Throwing this in here because I'm not sure if it warrants an individual thread. http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-harry-potter-light-show-20170518-htmlstory.html Quote Williams created the light show’s original arrangement, which is a medley of music pulled from the films. It was conducted by William Ross, who adapted and conducted the score for “Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.” I imagine it'll be the straightforward arrangements Williams usually plays at concerts. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Wow I'd like to see that Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Seeing Philosopher's Stone tonight! Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: Seeing Philosopher's Stone tonight! Have the best of time! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Excuse me, I'm 10 years old again. They're selling the OST outside. Wouldn't it have been a brilliant idea to have the complete score available for purchase to coincide with these concerts? Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 10 hours ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: They're selling the OST outside. Wouldn't it have been a brilliant idea to have the complete score available for purchase to coincide with these concerts? Well yes. But of course such thing would never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 It was a great night though. Looking forward to Chamber of Secrets in December! (And presumably, Prisoner of Azkaban next May) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHOENIX 34 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 If anyone not attending wants to have a look at the program notes, I've done a scan of the UK program (presumably the same worldwide). A nice, but expensive, glossy accompaniment to the live concert experience. Link for complete program notes: https://mega.nz/#!xAhVXDZJ!_bir412vdjDjE3kyjJYk9hi8JkQFUrZO3nIT7lvpnnI Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 It was €15 in Dublin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 You must be joking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 It's how these shows always work. They charged something like $15 for the big fancy program at the "Symphony of the Goddesses" Zelda music concert I went to last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Not here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 To be clear, this isn't like a program they hand out at the door just to tell you what's in the concert. It's a big glossy souvenir. You'll also find them at every Broadway show. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 17 hours ago, Disco Stu said: They charged something like $15 for the big fancy program at the "Symphony of the Goddesses" Zelda music concert I went to last year. They're actually giving them away for free on the symphony's website. But with something like $15 of shipping fees, so there is that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 20 hours ago, Disco Stu said: It's how these shows always work. They charged something like $15 for the big fancy program at the "Symphony of the Goddesses" Zelda music concert I went to last year. In Finland they just don't offer programmes, not for money or for free. Problem solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC4L 87 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Those HPatPS programs look nive! All they had for Indy here was a colour photocoppied 8.5x11 folded pamphlet. Hope to see those available here May 17-18, 2018! Now bring on Jurassic Park!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,286 Posted June 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2017 I was never too sure I was gonna be able to go to this because it's a 3.5 hour drive to Indianapolis and I work weekends but fuck it... It was so much fun. Will report more later. I got a shit ton of video! Disco Stu, Will, Simon McBride and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Yes!!! A JWFan did end up going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,286 Posted June 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2017 So as I said, I wasn't too sure I was going to be able to go to this on Friday but last minute I was able to free up my day, grab a cheap seat, and make the 3.5 hour trek to the Hilbert Circle Theatre to see the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra perform one of my absolute favorite Williams scores! Even though I arrived 30 minutes early, downtown Indianapolis proved a little hard to navigate and so I ended up making it to the theater with "Aunt Marge's Waltz" just starting to get underway. Got to see and hear most of it, lots of great energy. I figured I'd have a chance to listen again too during the end credits. Otherwise I'll run through the film / cue list and scrape together brief thoughts on what I can remember. If anybody has any specific questions about anything I don't address, I'll try to answer. By the way, my seat was in the back corner of the upper mezzanine so I suppose not the most ideal. Only other seats still available were either out of my price range or had an obstructed view, but as I mentioned, it also meant that since I was back in a corner with no ushers around and no one sitting immediately next to me that would be bothered, I could sneak a fair bit of video of various things I thought people might be interested in. Anyway, I'll start off with... The Knight Bus Sooo yeah, I actually didn't know how to feel about this one! Great bass clarinet solo to begin with, but something about the jazz performance was a little off to me. Too rhythmically straight, maybe? All the bells and whistles (literally!) were there from what I could tell but it almost just seemed like they didn't have the chops for it or something. Also this probably had more to do with where I was sitting, but the balance didn't quite gel. Couldn't hear the sax solos very well for example. Still fun enough but just didn't blow me away. Luckily this is really the only issue I ended up having with the orchestra's performance. The Leaky Cauldron Source music! I wasn't too sure how they were going to handle this, but yes they performed ALL of it! Well, everything Williams which means no "Hot Liquorice" (I did wonder if they would, though haha) but man, there was even a little more than I realized. Anyway, cool to hear that witch's fiddle as Tom the bartender walked Harry through the pub. Then came the Monster's Book of Monsters, great percussion! Plus another source cue, this time the English horn (?) playing underneath Harry's reunion with Hermione and the Weasleys. I stopped recording before the score cue started, but what was actually neat about this was that the source player did continue for a bit (as in the film) alongside the grinding low strings/winds accompanying Mr. Weasley's warning. It actually sounded really cool hearing the two against each other like that! Never would have taken notice of that before since the source is obviously mixed so much lower in the film, but I wonder if one might have been composed to suit the other harmonically. Dementor and Hogwarts The Dementor's introduction is a great suspense piece from JW and the shrieking percussion hits probably stood out to me most in this performance. Nice power overall from the orchestra and a live women's chorus! More on them later. No kiddies for "Double Trouble", instead the aforementioned women's chorus took over and made a splendid substitute. Nicely in sync too from what I remember (though I wasn't looking that carefully.) Of course the enjoyable medieval color starts coming into the score at this point, definitely sounded like they had a lot of the antique instruments represented like recorders, crotales, and harpsichord. Caught a few small samples of that stuff from Dumbledore's Warning / Double Trouble March and the Hogwarts knights parading around the Great Hall. Also I did find the flautist for the memorably virtuosic bird solo a little hard to hear from my vantage point, but he/she nailed it performance-wise from what I can tell. But I dunno, listening back the balance seems fine so I may have just been imagining things. And "Buckbeak's Flight"...what can I say, a lovely performance of a fabulous piece! Worth the price of admission. This one did feel extra special considering I don't think Williams ever performed it live in any of his concerts? It was inexplicably left out of the Hal Leonard suite. By the way, I did record the entire end credits posted below so you can hear how they fared with "Buckbeak's Flight" as well as "Knight Bus," "Double Trouble" and the rest in that clip. Boggarts, Bridges, Break-Ins Not too much to say about the Boggart sequence, but as I mentioned before, "Hot Liquorice" was just left in the film as is, so we had the orchestra entertaining us otherwise with Williams's hodge-podge of horror tropes (along with that fun little scherzo as the kids jostle into line.) First performance of "A Window to the Past" comes in for Lupin and Harry's scene on the bridge. Every single performance of this theme was beautifully performed, I thought, and I didn't really have any problems hearing the recorder or later clarinet and oboe solos like I did with the flute. Maybe they're just more resonant instruments. Sirius's break-in is among my favorite stretches of music in the film, just because it really runs the gamut between the jaunty mischief of the portrait gallery, the heavy low brass chords for the locking of the gates, and the lyricism that follows in the Great Hall. They did a fab job with all of it, the oboe solo for the seasonal change in particular was beautifully controlled. Also that was quite a refreshing moment being one of the few instances in the film completely devoid of sound effects or dialogue. Quidditch 2004 Snagged this one to share. I think they did pretty well with it! I don't have too much to say, I was just stoked to get to hear this. Wasn't disappointed. Winter Very nice performance of the "Hedwig's Theme" to "A Window to the Past" transition and the little flute solo as Fred and George tackle Harry in the Invisibility Cloak. Then yet another source piece, the tinkly little jingle inside Honeydukes. I don't think I even realized that was written by Williams, but I guess it is? The snowball fight was great fun, well synced! Not much else to say about it but again, you can hear them go at it for yourself in the end credits suite. More source music! The ladies came on out again for "A Winter's Spell" and then somewhat unexpectedly (to me at least) the music continued on as Hermione and Ron peeped into the Hog's Head with yet another source piece! You can hear it in the same video there. It's mixed so low in the film that I had never really noticed it before, but it's some little pub tune....do we know anything about this one? Is it Williams? I figure it must be...anyway, cool surprise for me. I recorded "Brief Snow Scene" and the Patronus lesson just because I think this is a really nice stretch of music and it was lovely to hear it performed. The women's chorus just adds something special. Finishes with another lovely "Window to the Past" statement, which then segued into intermission with a rendition of "Journey to Hogwarts" from the first film. Then came "Escape from the Dursleys" from COS for the Entr'acte. Fun to hear, I assume that's what they use for the first two films' LTP concerts as well. Peter Pettigrew and Crystal Ball A final little live source piece here, the boy playing recorder. Nothing to say about this one but I was really just fascinated to see how much of this stuff they actually performed! Williams really went to town on all this source music, assuming it is all his. One small moment I was looking forward to was the "religioso" strings when Hagrid announces Buckbeak's execution, always found this a really lovely and somewhat surprising texture for the haunting little montage through Hogwarts at night up to Harry's dorm. Also a solid job with the extended suspense cue for the Marauder's Map hunt for Pettigrew. Fun to hear the harpsichord getting some time in the spotlight, good stuff. There was a really surprising moment in the scene where Hermione storms out of Trelawney's class...as Trelawney was talking to Hermione, all of a sudden this rumbling percussive instrument started to grow louder and louder until it was completely overwhelming the dialogue! Obviously must have been more subtly mixed in the film, but I couldn't quite tell what it actually was...a gong? Rolling cymbal? Some sort of "sssshhhhhHHHHHHH" sound. Anyway, pretty jarring haha but interesting to note. Recorded the crystal ball scene here, just thought it was an interesting cue, neat musical effects. Carrying on through the cool "funeral march" for the executioner, one of my favorite little cues. The Whomping Willow and The Shrieking Shack Buckbeak's execution, chasing Scabbers, and the Willow attack was another stretch that I thought people would find fun to hear. Another fine performance! Didn't really have any big revelations about the Shrieking Shack underscore, but it remains pretty compelling stuff. I've always found it interesting how loud and aggressive it actually gets at times yet somehow is kind of invisible next to Gary Oldman really supports the performances and drama well. Lupin's Transformation and The Dementors Converge Following a beautifully muted "Window to the Past" variation on horn/strings for Sirius and Harry's moment of bonding, the first of the film's many action climaxes arrive with knockout performances of Lupin's werewolf transformation and the first Dementor attack by the lake. I have to say the latter in particular was probably my favorite moment of the concert with the orchestra and the women's chorus bringing the house down. I think you can get some sense of it in my little iPhone recording, but it really did feel pretty amazing in that theatre, filling the entire room with glorious John Williams sound. Time Travel So here's "Forward to Time Past" (sorry for the auto-focus ). I enjoy all the Time-Turner stuff, that pulse on the vibes is a great, hypnotizing color and adds a lot of tension, and it was fun hearing them hit all those sync points (like the woodwind flurries when Hermione throws the pebbles.) One moment that really stood out to me in this sequence was the transition cue after they've saved Buckbeak, as the bats are flying through the forest and he catches one. I've always found it pleasant, but somehow it just really sang out to me this time, particularly the strings which can't really be heard as well in the film mix, I don't think. Also, because they had removed all sound for LTP purposes except dialogue and essential foreground sound effects, a lot of the fluttering of the bats, rustling of the leaves, and other miscellaneous forest sounds were dialed out, which left mostly just the music. Such a nice little section. Werewolf chase was cool, it's never been one of my absolute favorite bits of the score but it certainly gave the timpani player a workout! Good stuff. Revisiting the lake attack gave the women's chorus one last chance to shine. These gals were great! The horns blasted their heroic line out confidently as Harry ran out to cast his Patronus, but I felt like the cut-off was a tad late. I think they barely overlapped Harry's exclamation, not too bad but I guess just cause it's so precise in the film, I'm used to that exact punch of silence. Powerful spotting! Rescuing Sirius and Finale Everybody's favorite! Only problem was the audience cheering over the "Buckbeak's Flight" reprisal. I appreciated the enthusiasm but I was a little disappointed haha. I decided not to record the "Window to the Past" finale because my battery was starting to run low and I wanted to make sure I had enough for the credits and the drive home, plus I figured the audience was just gonna cheer again over the final statement when Sirius took off....but they didn't! Yay! A strong performance. Nice little cues to finish when Harry/Hermione return to Ron in the hospital, and when Harry says goodbye to Lupin. Another lovely oboe solo in the latter. I've always been aware of how solo-centric this score is but it really did strike me as something special in this concert hearing all these players. Wonderful. End Credits So, is it pretty normal at these LTP concerts for people to just get up and immediately walk out, talking over the orchestra as soon as the film's over, like a normal movie? Maybe I'm naive or looking at it the wrong way, but that felt so disrespectful! Kinda sank my heart a little to see so many just ignoring the orchestra's final performance like that. Not to say that the majority didn't stick around but loads of folks around me didn't even think twice. But a nice performance of all the highlights, again aside from "Knight Bus" which unfortunately just didn't work for me. Also kind of oddly timed cymbal hits toward the end of "Aunt Marge's Waltz" there? Anyway, a pretty splendid concert all-around and such a treat to hear all this stuff. Hats off to the ISO! bollemanneke, Disco Stu, Simon McBride and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2017 Like times a billion. You're a saint. The quidditch music sounds glorious. Will, Holko and mrbellamy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Great review! A few observations: - I didn't know that that source cue underscoring Mr Weasley's warning was an English horn, always sounded like bagpipes to me. - Great to hear that Double Trouble was performed by women! - WINTER's SPELL IS PERFORMED LIVE? YES!!!!!!! - Yes, they used the HP2 music in HP1 too. - Hmm, I never noticed they dialed out unimportant sound effects in the LTPs I went to. - No, people don't care about music. They just want to watch the film again. - Any chance you could upload all your clips to a filehost like Sendspace or Mega in the near future? I can't access Google Drive and your review is making me really curious. (If these contain video, just the audio would be splendid already.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Sure I could do that It sounds like English Horn live at least, might have just been a substitute for whatever was actually used in the film. Not sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Thanks very much in advance (no rush at all, though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 The cue for the Leaky Cauldron source music (the second one, during Mr. Weasley's Warning) is titled "Shawm". Apparently that's some sort of Egyptian woodwind - whether William actually got one, or a soundalike, I don't know. Since the cue is introduced right as Ron is talking about the family trip to Egpyt, it's probably Williams jumping at the chance to do something a bit unusual and maybe a little bit wry. 7 hours ago, mrbellamy said: ...I couldn't quite tell what it actually was...a gong? Rolling cymbal? Some sort of "sssshhhhhHHHHHHH" sound. Anyway, pretty jarring haha but interesting to note. I don't know if it's supposed to sound like anything in particular; the music sheets call it a "snake-like hiss" synth. Cuaron seems to have enjoyed, in some bits of the film, making the line between music and sound effects blurred, and this is probably one of those instances. In the film's actual sound mix, the synth seems to follow the ball (if it moves to the left, the synth moves over to the left channel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 why are people clapping and cheering all the time? 8 hours ago, mrbellamy said: End Credits So, is it pretty normal at these LTP concerts for people to just get up and immediately walk out, talking over the orchestra as soon as the film's over, like a normal movie? Maybe I'm naive or looking at it the wrong way, but that felt so disrespectful! Kinda sank my heart a little to see so many just ignoring the orchestra's final performance like At the Montreal performance of HPSS nobody left during the credits. Who would pay 50-175$ JUST to see the movie again when they can watch it at home. You have to be slightly aware it's a music concert when you buy tickets to this Bilbo and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Skelly said: I don't know if it's supposed to sound like anything in particular; the music sheets call it a "snake-like hiss" synth. Cuaron seems to have enjoyed, in some bits of the film, making the line between music and sound effects blurred, and this is probably one of those instances. In the film's actual sound mix, the synth seems to follow the ball (if it moves to the left, the synth moves over to the left channel). Is that the right spot? I'm talking specifically about this: Listening to it, it sounds like it was probably just a gong. But they sure went loud with it haha. 1 hour ago, Skelly said: The cue for the Leaky Cauldron source music (the second one, during Mr. Weasley's Warning) is titled "Shawm". Apparently that's some sort of Egyptian woodwind - whether William actually got one, or a soundalike, I don't know. Since the cue is introduced right as Ron is talking about the family trip to Egpyt, it's probably Williams jumping at the chance to do something a bit unusual and maybe a little bit wry. Yeah, it sounds to me like they were just using an English horn for the live performance. Not quite as reedy as this. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Thanks for the great report @mrbellamy!!! I have reserved tickets for the CoS coming here next autumn but hopefully they'll also perform POA here soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 8 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Listening to it, it sounds like it was probably just a gong. But they sure went loud with it haha. I'm talking about the sound that comes right after the harp gliss at :50 (I thought that was the shhhhhhh sound you mentioned ); I think you're talking about the sustained gong that hangs above while Trelawney is speaking to Hermione. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 It's a shame people left during the credits. At the 2012 showing of Fellowship of the Ring everyone, and I mean everyone stayed for the credits. At the very end the conductor held the whole score/sheet music up for several rounds of applause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 On which planet did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Nice to hear how much source music JW composed for POA. I'm guessing any complete score will be 3CDs? Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: On which planet did that happen? Arda. Arpy and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Just now, bollemanneke said: On which planet did that happen? It was in Melbourne, Australia in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Nice to hear how much source music JW composed for POA. I'm guessing any complete score will be 3CDs? People familiar with the score said everything should fit on 2 CDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 The most complete (without superfluous stuff) edit I've seen does not fit on two discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, RPurton said: It was in Melbourne, Australia in 2012. Makes sense. I can't imagine any cheering, hollering or clapping during an MSO LTP performance! Melbourne's quite an art-loving city. 5 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: The most complete (without superfluous stuff) edit I've seen does not fit on two discs. I always thought POA was filled with alternates, as Cuaron was quite exacting of Williams. There's plenty on the OST alone! Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Watching these videos I keep thinking, "Somebody turn off the movie so I can hear!" Not having this score complete is such a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Wait till Black Friday. I can feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Oh, you're absolutely right about fan edits including useless extras, but the one I'm talking about didn't do this. It did excede the time limit for a 2 disk release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 46 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: The OST has plenty of alternates? Never noticed that (though to be fair, I've never really compared the music heard on the disc to the music as heard in the film). Which tracks in particular include alternate stuff (Mischief Managed excepted, since it's basically just a different edit compared to the film's end credits)? The OST uses an alternate for the sequence where Hogwarts is locked up (Cuaron's fingerprints are all over the far-less-restrained film version): And also the cue accompanying the bats flying through the Forbidden Forest (only to be snatched by Buckbeak). Film version: There might be others but I'm not super-familiar with the score. The Boggarts! cue doesn't play anything like the film version, but that inserted source music editorially. Maybe the film just had lots of inserts rather than whole alternate cues, as these are short moments. And the Double Trouble track on the CD isn't reflective of the film version, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skelly 261 Posted June 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2017 Alternates/inserts/unused stuff that I know of (for some material, I have no idea if it was actually recorded), both released and unreleased: - 1M3A That's A Lie: unused in film. Just another suspenseful strings cue. - 1M5 Parents Portrait: film uses celeste or a similarly gossamer instrument; music sheets call for harpsichord. - 1M9A Squeeze Play: when the Knight Bus squeezes through the two Muggle buses, the film uses a much less melodious idea than what we hear on the OST. - 2M3 The Train to Hogwarts: two versions were written, and Cuaron preferred the first. Both have the same basic idea but the second version uses flutes in place of recorders. - 2M4 The Dementor Appears: two endings exist. OST uses busy orchestral crescendo for when the Dementor is expelled, but the film uses nothing but a simple note from the patronus choir (gotta admit, I prefer it to Williams's original idea). - 2M6 Dumbledore's Warning: two endings exist. Williams originally wrote for the cue to end with a repeating figure on harpsichord and skittish strings (you can hear it on certain bonus feature menus). The film uses a piece where recorders play 'Double Trouble' with enthusiasm. - 3MC Befriending the Hippogriff: two endings were written, but I don't know whether either was recorded since I'm pretty sure neither was used in the film (I can't read music). - 3M10 Remembering Mother: when Lupin and Harry chat on the bridge. The cue was originally written to last 20 measures, but Cuaron ended up using a shorter variant (only 9). - 3M11 The Portrait Gallery: film uses a dark, sustained note on strings to open the cue. It was an insert not recorded with the rest of the cue. - 3M11A The Big Doors: 3M11 originally underscored the shot of the doors being bolted, and you can hear that ending on the OST. Like crumbs mentioned above, Cuaron wanted something more primal, and this cue replaced those final few measures. - 3M12 The Great Hall Ceiling: three versions were written, but all are pretty much the same. - 4M1 (I think?) Page 394: Replaces first few measures of 4M2 (foreboding harpsichord) with chilling harp glissando, and rising strings segue into the next cue. - 4M3-4 Enter Winter: a shorter version of the 'time transition' scene where autumn becomes winter that I think went totally unused in the film. - 4M5 Map to Snow Scene: a short cue but a good chunk of it went unused in the final film. The music editor just loops the same two or three measures. - 5M2A: Reveal Your Secret: cue that I guess would have been used when Snape is trying to get some info about the Marauder's Map. Unused in film; the harpsichord seems to take center stage. - 5M5 The Crystal Ball: the entire scene with Hermione storming out of class, then Harry returning the ball, then receiving the prophecy, was all written to be underscored by one long cue. A middle section (to underscore Harry finding the ball on the stairs, about fifteen measures) is dialed out of the film. - 6M5 Werewolf Scene: tam-tam smash inserted into the film for when we see the moon rising above the clouds. Also, when we zoom into Lupin's eyes, between each timpani hit, there's a kind of scraping noise that resembles frightened panting. Not on the OST. I don't know if it's even music; it might be sound design. - 6M5 Pt. II: Williams's original idea for the frozen lake scene. Pretty much the same as what we hear in the final film (6M4 AN 'First Frozen Lake') but a lot more expressive with mark trees, stuff like that. And, er... that's as far as I got with taking a look at the score. Not sure of anything in the 7th reel. Track 14 on the OST has at one point what I can only assume is an alternate idea for the 'Chasing Scabbers' sequence. crumbs, Smeltington and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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