MikeH 768 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 14/02/2020 at 3:44 PM, publicist said: I'll watch another Bond movie when it has a title song like this again. The franchise has become such a joke, why not go back full throttle (raiding Barrys old sketches). God I love My Love Has Two Faces. Barry’s moodiness was always intriguing and seductive. These last two Bond songs are just downright gloomy and depressing. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 For all the love David Arnold got, his Barry impersonations always were a superficial riff on that special Barry quality (high romance vs. high gloominess). Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,367 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Maybe because recent Bond movies were also less intriguing and seductive and more gloomy and depressing? Gotta keep up with the trend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Maybe because recent Bond movies were also less intriguing and seductive and more gloomy and depressing? Gotta keep up with the trend! We’ll go back to silly with the next one, with CGI Roger Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 Barry was above such trifle matters as the movie at hand. Barry it was. Ricard, The Illustrious Jerry and MikeH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Why does Gen-Z like everything bland, plain and ordinary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,323 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 11 hours ago, MikeH said: These last two Bond songs are just downright gloomy and depressing. You hear a lot more in these songs than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,342 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Have listened to the Eilish song once ... it's OK, I guess. Am presuming the bits of mumbled vocals are standard practice for her ... I'm unfamiliar with her other stuff, and it'll be staying that way. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Modern actors mumble too. It's infuriating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,488 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 "Modern actors"? Have you watched any Brando? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: "Modern actors"? Have you watched any Brando? He was an outlier in his time. These days mumbling is the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 She wrote a Bond song. Not a Billie Eillish Bond Song. Lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said: Have listened to the Eilish song once ... it's OK, I guess. Am presuming the bits of mumbled vocals are standard practice for her ... I'm unfamiliar with her other stuff, and it'll be staying that way. The orchestration is more mumbled than the vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 https://variety.com/2020/music/news/billie-eilish-no-time-to-die-james-bond-theme-song-review-1203503942 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 12/2/2019 at 12:34 AM, crumbs said: Oh god, now the dreaded Zimmer drums are seeping into trailers. Hopefully not an indication of who might be replacing Romer... I wouldn't worry about it MikeH, crumbs and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 211 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 1:17 PM, Þekþiþm said: He was an outlier in his time. These days mumbling is the norm. No it isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/14/2020 at 2:10 PM, Jay said: Cornell did his best work for Audioslave anyway This! That first album is a banger. All the people complaining about mumbling... is this really any different than some low key sultry noir song from the 40s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,488 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 That singer is not mumbling, she's expressing. This silly little Bond song girl cannot sing. Period. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,342 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Best we can hope for now is that there's at least a cool titles sequence accompanying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 https://www.techradar.com/news/panasonics-new-dolby-atmos-soundbar-could-help-you-decipher-mumbling-actors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 9:51 PM, Koray Savas said: This! That first album is a banger. All the people complaining about mumbling... is this really any different than some low key sultry noir song from the 40s? Yeah, that's night and day difference. This Eilish girl is half whispering and half mumbling. The above song is nothing of the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,323 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 16 hours ago, Þekþiþm said: https://www.techradar.com/news/panasonics-new-dolby-atmos-soundbar-could-help-you-decipher-mumbling-actors I could use that for The Tree Of Life but apparently my TV will never be Dolby Atmos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,250 Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 That's my favourite of the posters so far. Could make a good album cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edmilson 7,367 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Dark, gritty and disturbing. Why can't 007 movies be fun again? (no, not like Die Another Day) Also, Zimmer's being credited as sole composer, despite reportedly Mazzarro and Marr contributing to the score. I was imagining the music credit would be something like "Music by Hans Zimmer and Steve Mazzaro", or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Also, Zimmer's being credited as sole composer, despite reportedly Mazzarro and Marr contributing to the score. That's not uncommon when it comes to HanZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,367 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Yeah... The Sherlock scores were solely credited to him, despite Balfe helping - and that probably costed Lorne an Oscar nomination (he'd be the first RC alumn to do it if he got credited as co composer for Sherlock, doing so one year before John Powell). Pirates 4, Lone Ranger, Rango, all of them are mostly Zanelli, I think. On the other hand, BvS is credited to him and Junkie, but apparently he worked way more on that score than Holkenborg, which was busy with Deadpool. Conclusion: being credited on something usually means next to nothing when it comes to these RC people. lol 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Yeah... The Sherlock scores were solely credited to him, despite Balfe helping This is one of my main problems with HanZ: taking full credit when others have done quite significant contributions to the composing of the score. That, and his tendency of extreme self-plagiarism. 1977 and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Guys, at this point you really care about this? It's been like this since decades, it's just useless to act like a prissy schoolmarm every time when a cd cover omits one out of twenty guys. It's written by commitee, period. It doesn't get better or worse just because of the names on the cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 HanZ, of all people, has the power to influence this shitty practice, which suspiciously enough has become worse under him. 1977 and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,367 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I think it has a difference between being a minor contributor, like writing minor stuff here and there, and having more involvement with the composition of the score as a whole, like Balfe on the Sherlocks and Zanelli on Lone Ranger. As I've said, crediting Lorne as a "score producer" (whatever the hell that is) on Sherlock 1 may have costed him an Oscar nomination. That said, he apparently didn't got mad with that, because he remained on RC years after that, so maybe his involvement wasn't that great? And I personally don't like listening to a music, liking it, but finding out that it was not written by the guy on the cover, but by some Joe Who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I think it has a difference between being a minor contributor, like writing minor stuff here and there, and having more involvement with the composition of the score as a whole Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 JWFAN. Here to ensure every composer is dutifully credited. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 982 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 And yet never bother with any of the actual available cue sheets to see who might've done what, because what good does that do when it isn't plopped on the album cover? I never do understand why certain scores don't have any proper credits, if Zimmer is willing to do it for a lot of his work. Studio interference? It's just odd when Sherlock 1 can tell you that Balfe practically was on every cue, yet SH2 is blank for whatever reason. I guess the Oscar loss did cause a fuss after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 It's just a dumb award Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,367 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Some of my Zimmer bootlegs contain credits over who wrote which cue. On Hannibal, the only cues on which Zimmer DOES NOT receive sole credit are: 1M07 Starling to Verger’s - Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli 1M08 Face Peeling - Klaus Badelt 2M09-10 Eating the Nurse - Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli2M11-12 Not A Bad Guy – Starling & Lecter Tape - Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith 2M14A-Mix2 Ta Ta H - Geoff Zanelli 2M15 Scent Of Lecter - Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli 3M17 Advance in Life - Zimmer, Martin Tillman, Bruce Fowler 4M18-Mix2 Gnocco’s Night Out - Zimmer, Mel Wesson, Martin Tillman 4M19 Pigs - Klaus Badelt 4M20-Mix2 Vide Cor Meum (Libretto From Dante’s La Vita Nuova) - Patrick Cassidy 4M21 Allegra - Zimmer, Klaus Badelt4M22-Mix2 Let My Home Be My Gallows - Zimmer, Steve Jablonsky5M24-Mix2 Mateo Knifed – Lecter Waves - Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Martin Tillman 5M27-ReMix Vide Cor Meum (For Lecter Shopping) - Patrick Cassidy5M28-Mix2 Deep Roller - Zimmer, Martin Tillman5M29 Getting Instructions - Zimmer, Steve Jablonsky6M30 Rendez-vous - Zimmer, James Dooley6M31 Lecter Snatched - Zimmer, Steve Jablonsky6M32 Bring Him Home - Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli6M33-34-Mix2 Gourmet Valse Tartare - Zimmer, Klaus Badelt6M34a Lecter At Krendler’s Home - Zimmer, Mel Wesson7M35 The Awakening - Zimmer, Klaus Badelt7M37-Mix2 Dinner Time - Marc Streitenfeld, Martin Tillman, Mel Wesson Zimmer did by himself the other cues and the suites (Dear Clarice Suite, F2K Suite, Arrow Choir Suite, Ligeti Suite). On King Arthur, he did most of the job by himself, with the exceptions of a few scenes on the first reels and most of the battle scenes. 1m00alt Opening Titles (Alternate) - Hans Zimmer & Steve Jablonsky & Rupert Gregson-Williams1m00 Opening Titles - Hans Zimmer & Steve Jablonsky & Rupert Gregson-Williams2m10 Knights Argue _ Arthur Prays - Hans Zimmer & James Dooley3m13 Knights Journey Begins - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith & Steve Jablonsky & Rupert Gregson-Williams3m20-20a Torture Chamber - Hans Zimmer & Blake Neely4m30 Guinevere Leads Arthur To Merlin - Hans Zimmer & Trevor Morris & Rupert Gregson-Williams5m34 Ice Battle - Hans Zimmer & James Dooley7m44bv15 Final Battle, Pt. 1 - Hans Zimmer & Steve Jablonsky & Rupert Gregson-Williams7m44bAlt Final Battle, Pt. 1 (Alternate) - Hans Zimmer & Steve Jablonsky & Rupert Gregson-Williams7m44cAlt Final Battle, Pt. 3 (Alternate) - Hans Zimmer & Trevor Morris7m44cNon Final Battle, Pt. 3 - Hans Zimmer & Trevor Morris7m44d Final Battle, Pt. 4 - Hans Zimmer & Steve Jablonsky & Rupert Gregson-Williams7m44ev16 Final Battle, Pt. 5 - Hans Zimmer & Steve Jablonsky & Rupert Gregson-Williams7m44ev18 Final Battle, Pt. 5 - Hans Zimmer & Steve Jablonsky & Rupert Gregson-Williams On Pirates 3, almost everyone on RC at the time was involved. The credits for each cue are the following: 1m01v2 Hoist the Colours Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski1m02v6 Arrive in Singapore Hans Zimmer1m03Av1 East India Trading Company Hans Zimmer1m03Bv3 Getting Ready Hans Zimmer1m05 7v25 Entering the Bath House Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli1m08v7 Steam Room Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler1m09Av6 Sao Feng Negotiation Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe1m09Bv10 Battle with the Brits Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler2m10v12 Battle Continues - Will Makes Deal Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler2m11v2 Crew Embarks Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman, Atli Örvarsson2m12v9 Trying to Get Lost Hans Zimmer2m13Av10 Davy Jones Command Hans Zimmer2m13Bv8 Over the Top Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman2m15v6 Multiple Jacks Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson3m16v11 Captain Jack Sparrow Atli Örvarsson3m16Av1 Crabs Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson3m17v6 Rescue Jack Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson3m18v2 Who's Captain - Below Deck Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe3m19v3 Souls at Sea Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe3m20Av4 Dreadlock Jack Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman, Atli Örvarsson3m20Bv14 The Green Flash Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman4m20Cv1 We're Back - Wet Powder Hans Zimmer4m21v41 Jiggy Kraken Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli4m22v2 Jack & Beckett Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe4m23v8 Seduction Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli4m24v3 Sao Feng's Death Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe4m24v3.6 Sao Feng's Death (Alt.) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe5m25v4 Chinese Captured by Brits Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe5m26v13 Bootstraps - Elizabeth Locker Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe5m27v5 Jack Catches Will Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe5m28v9 Escape - Norrington Dies Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson5m29Av30 Mrs. Fish Hans Zimmer5m29Bpt1v32 Davy Jones Tells Calypso's Story Hans Zimmer5m29Bpt2v41 Shipwreck Cove Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli6m30v5 Brethren Court Begins Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe6m31v4 Calypso Must Be Released Hans Zimmer6m32v1 Davy Jones Visits Tia Dalma Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe6m33v5 Cuttlefish Hans Zimmer6m34v5 Teague & The Code Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson6m36v1 King Elizabeth Hans Zimmer6m37v6 Parlay Hans Zimmer6m38v1 Trading Places Hans Zimmer6m39Av1 Flying Dutchman Prison Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson6m39v2 Immortality Hans Zimmer7m40v2 Calypso on Deck Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli7m41v26 Releasing Calypso Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli7m42v1 Hoist the Colours Declaration Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith7m43Av2 Maelstrom Pt. 1 Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler7m43BEndFixv5 Getting the Chest Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler7m43InsAv1 A Lost Bird Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler8m44Av11 The Wedding Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman8m44Bv5 Maelstrom Pt. 2 Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler8m44Cv12 Davy Death Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman8m44D Liftoff Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli8m44ev11 Beckett Death Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson8m44fv5 Celebration Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler9m46v5 One Day Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman9m47v6 The Ship is Gone Hans Zimmer9m48v6 The Fountain of Youth Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe9m49Av1 End Titles A Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman9m49Bv1 End Titles B Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith9m51v1 10 Years Later Hans Zimmer On Angels and Demons, Lorne did most of the heavy job, with a little help from Atli Örvarsson and Zanelli. But Zimmer did the suites and that scene on which Ewan McGregor explodes a bomb on a helicopter or something, all by himself. 1M00 Logos Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Joshua Bell1M01 Smashing the Ring Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson, Mel Wesson1M03/4 CERN Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson1M04 Langdon at Harvard Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson1M05 Illuminati Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe1M06 Hunt Them Down and Kill Them Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe1M07 Sistine Chapel Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe1M09 A Certain Zealotry (the boot didn't include this cue, so I don't know who did it)2M10 God Particle Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson2M11 Access Granted Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe2M12 Follow the Path Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson2M12Insert Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson2M13 Seal the Doors Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson2M14 Mr Grey Taunts the Cardinals Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson3M15 No Time Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe3M16 Cock Block Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe3M16B Pantheon Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli3M17A Wrong Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe3M17B EARTH Hans Zimmer, Mel Wesson3M18 Black Smoke A Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe3M19 AIR Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson, Mel Wesson4M20 Black Smoke B Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli4M23/24 Hypoxia Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson, Mel Wesson4M25A Black Tongue A Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe5M27 FIRE Hans Zimmer5M28A Strauss Eligible Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli5M28B Langdon Rescued Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli5M29 Cross Rome Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe5M30 WATER Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson5M31A Castle Opus v1 Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe5M31A Castle Opus v2 Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson5M31B Castle SantAngelo Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe6M33 Save Camerlengo Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe6M34 Necropolis Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe6M38 God Save Us Hans Zimmer6M41 Election By Adoration Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe7M42 Bad Camerlengo Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe7M43 Immolation Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe7M44 Science and Religon Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith7M45 Lux Aeterna Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson 7M46 Main Title Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe 160 BPM End Credit Suite Version Hans Zimmer 160 BPM Full Suite Hans Zimmer Camerlengo Suite Hans Zimmer On Man of Steel, only a few cues and suites are credited with Zimmer alongside someone else: 1m01e Surrender the Codex (Zimmer and Junkie XL), 1m02 Zod Is Captured (Zimmer and Junkie XL), 2m04 Oil Rig Rescue (Zimmer and Junkie XL), 4m23 Who Is This Kal Person? (Zimmer and Steve Mazzaro), 5m30 Escape from Ship (Zimmer and Andrew Kawczynski), General Zod Suite, Action Drums Suite, Arcade Suite (Zimmer and Junkie XL). Poor Steve worked a lot on Batman v Superman, pratically half of the cues are his, only to get credited as additional composer. Junkie, the other credited composer, only did a few key action scenes involving Batman, and then left to work on Deadpool. 1M1A Main Titles Part A Hans Zimmer1M1B Main Titles Part B Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro1M2 The Tower Falls Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL1M3 Wreckage Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski1M4 Emerald City no idea1M5 The Desert Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski1M6 Branding Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski2M1 Bullet Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski, Benjamin Wallfisch2M2 Bathtub Love no idea2M3 Everything’s Changed Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro2M4 Wishlist Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch2M5 Hero’s Park Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro2M6 Monument Vandal Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro2M7 The Red Capes Are Coming Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch3M1 Dreams Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Steve Mazzaro3M3 Fundraiser Invitation Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro3M4 Metropolis Library Fundraiser Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Benjamin Wallfisch3M5 Transfer Complete Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Benjamin Wallfisch3M6 Day Of The Dead Hans Zimmer4M1 Half A Man Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro4M2S Jazz Suite – Waltz no idea4M3 Post Apocalypse Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski4M4 Quaker Steak And Lube Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro4M5 The White Portuguese Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro5M1 Chase Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski5M2 Do You Bleed? Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro5M3A Capitol Montage - Part A Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch5M3B Capitol Montage - Part B Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch5M4 Aftermath no idea5M5 You Have To Believe no idea5M6 Preparation Montage Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski5M7 Photograph Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski5M8 My Blood Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro6M2 Past Memories Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro6M3 Bat Light Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro6M5 Kidnapping Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch6M6 Falling Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro6M7 Rooftop Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch6M8 Tick Tock Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro7M1 Dawn Of Justice Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro7M3 Hero Fight Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL7M4 Why Did You Say That Name no idea7M5 Time Is Running Out Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro8M1 Thug Fight Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski8M2 Out Of Time Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro8M3 Doomsday Hans Zimmer8M4 Ow, My Balls Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro8M5 The Return Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro8M6 The Girl Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro9M1 I Love You, Muffin no idea9M2 Our Hero Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro9M4 Men Are Still Good Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski9M5 The Warden Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro10M1 End Credits Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro, Benjamin Wallfisch If anyone else has other Zimmer cue lists with credits, please share them. 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HunterTech 982 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 A lot of those come from the HZ website, which itself gets their info from ASCAP, BMI, GEMA, and other places. It's impressive the amount of info present, and does give a bit more insight as to how each project might've been approached (though only a bit). Since SH1 has been brought up a few times recently, here's the one for that. I'm told it's not fully accurate (considering the OST has considerably less LB credits), but it's all we have: Spoiler RACE TO RITUAL PT 1 (1M1) Hans Zimmer RACE TO RITUAL PT 2 (1M1A) Hans Zimmer, Diego Stocco MAIN TITLES (1M1B) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe HOLMES ROOM (2M3) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe OFFENDS MARY (2M5) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe BLACKWOOD S REQUEST (2M9) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe VIOLIN PLUCKING SOURCE 1 (2M11) Hans Zimmer ARRIVING AT THE PRISON (2M13 - 14 PT 1) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe ARRIVING AT THE PRISON (2M13 - 14 PT 2) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe HOLMES & IRENE (3M15) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe VIOLIN PLUCKING SOURCE 2 (3M16S) Hans Zimmer THE MAN IN THE CARRIAGE (3M17) Lorne Balfe HOLMES FOLLOWS IRENE (ORCH A) (3M18A) Lorne Balfe HOLMES FOLLOWS IRENE (GYPSY) (3M18BS) Lorne Balfe HOLMES FOLLOWS IRENE (GYPSY)(3M18BS) Hans Zimmer, Aleksey Igudesman HOLMES FOLLOWS IRENE (ORCH B) (3M18C) Lorne Balfe BLACKWOOD RESURRECTION (3M19 - 20) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe STREET SOURCE (3M21S) Noah Sorota, Ann-Marie Calhoun GYPSY FORTUNETELLER (3M22) Hans Zimmer, Aleksey Igudesman INVESTIGATING REORDON S LAB (3M24 PT 2) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe INVESTIGATING REORDON S LAB (3M24 PT 1) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe ARRIVAL OF DREDGER (4M25S) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe MEET DREDGER (4M25S) Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson, Aleksey Igudesman, Davey Johnstone, Ann-Marie Calhoun, Noah Sorota CHASE DREDGER (4M26S) Hans Zimmer, Aleksey Igudesman, Davey Johnstone HOLMES & DREDGER TALK (4M26A) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe THE BOAT (4M26B) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe MARITAL SABOTAGE (4M27) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe MEET SIR THOMAS ROTHERIN (4M28) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe STOP BLACKWOOD (4M29) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe IRENE SUBDUES HOLMES (4M30) Hans Zimmer DEATH OF ROTHERIN (4M31) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe ROTHERIN S SECRET CHAMBER (5M33) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe DEATH OF THE AMBASSADOR (5M33) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe CORPSE EXAMINATION (5M34) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe BOAT TO SLAUGHTERHOUSE (5M35) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe SAVE IRENE (5M36) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe TRIPWIRE PT 1 (5M37 PT 1) Hans Zimmer, Aleksey Igudesman TRIPWIRE PT 2 (5M37 PT 2) Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson MORIARTY & IRENE ON A TRAIN (6M37A) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe HOSPITAL THROUGH RITUAL (6M38 - 39 PT 1) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe HOSPITAL THROUGH RITUAL (6M38 - 39 PT 2) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe VIOLIN PLUCKING SOURCE 3 (6M39S) Hans Zimmer HOLMES WAKES UP (6M40A) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe BLACKWOOD S PLAN EXPLAINED (6M40) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe HOLMES SMOKES COWARD PT 1 (6M42A) Lorne Balfe HOLMES SMOKES COWARD PT 2 (6M42A) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe PARLIAMENT FINAL BATTLE (6M43A - R7 CROS Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe PARLIAMENT FINAL BATTLE (7M43B) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe MORIARITY CASE REOPENED (7M46) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe END TITLES PT 1 (7M46B) Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe END TITLES PT 3 (7M46D) Hans Zimmer Also, those "no idea" on BvS that aren't source tracks are probably Zimmer solo or with Steve, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2020 Why in the HELL do you need 3 composers to do one cue? Is this some sort of light bulb joke? How many RC composers does it take to exchange a light bulb? It doesn't matter because they're all using broken light bulbs from 1999. Jurassic Shark, Bayesian and Naïve Old Fart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Because it's very difficult to write music on your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Especially when you don't know how to do it. Fargo and gkgyver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 We're working on it. We need all the help we can get. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,367 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 7 hours ago, HunterTech said: A lot of those come from the HZ website, which itself gets their info from ASCAP, BMI, GEMA, and other places. It's impressive the amount of info present, and does give a bit more insight as to how each project might've been approached (though only a bit). Since SH1 has been brought up a few times recently, here's the one for that. I'm told it's not fully accurate (considering the OST has considerably less LB credits), but it's all we have: Yeah, the HZ fansite is a treasure of great info about RC scores. I just wish they'd put these infos more easily accessible... lol. But I guess in most projects, Hans just lay the bases of what the score will sound, and then lets his minions to fit that material on the movie. Unless when it's a really personal project for him (Interstellar, for instance, or I think The Lion King, both the 94 and the 2019 versions, or some of his epics from the early 2000s), he just do a few actual cues, but the boring job of fitting music into the picture is done mostly by other people. No wonder his actual OSTs usually contain more suites than film cues. On some cases, at least the minions work with a strong foundation. A lot of people worked on At World's End, but neither of them have since written something as good as that score, which in the final product is a Zimmer score through and through - that "epic" early 2000s score of which I'm very nostalgic. I mean, Henry Jackman is credited on a lot of cues featuring the Will/Elizabeth love theme, but, on his own, he never wrote something as good as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 "Hans will do the work when it's a personal project for him" is just an apologetic translation for "he'll do the work on projects with the most marquee value". Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1977 1,743 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 16 hours ago, Edmilson said: Some of my Zimmer bootlegs contain credits over who wrote which cue. Which now begs the question, what percentage of each cue can HZ take credit for. Shit, we'll need a spreadsheet to keep track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 982 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Edmilson said: Yeah, the HZ fansite is a treasure of great info about RC scores. I just wish they'd put these infos more easily accessible... lol. But I guess in most projects, Hans just lay the bases of what the score will sound, and then lets his minions to fit that material on the movie. Unless when it's a really personal project for him (Interstellar, for instance, or I think The Lion King, both the 94 and the 2019 versions, or some of his epics from the early 2000s), he just do a few actual cues, but the boring job of fitting music into the picture is done mostly by other people. No wonder his actual OSTs usually contain more suites than film cues. On some cases, at least the minions work with a strong foundation. A lot of people worked on At World's End, but neither of them have since written something as good as that score, which in the final product is a Zimmer score through and through - that "epic" early 2000s score of which I'm very nostalgic. I mean, Henry Jackman is credited on a lot of cues featuring the Will/Elizabeth love theme, but, on his own, he never wrote something as good as that. Accessible in what sense? I just go into the list of composers, pick one, and see what there is. If we're referring to more people finding it, then I'm afraid the average person likely wouldn't invest themselves into a site like it. It is probably a good argument for including more info on the proper album releases, if they're willing to be this open on the internet. And it seems they have, now that more recent scores have started including proper credits on Spotify: Spoiler As for how production on these sorts of scores go, how I've understood it is that the team is around to constantly be accommodating the continuous edits a movie will have until completion. Of course, this has always been the case, but it's gotten to a point where it seems composers are far more likely to just give in to demands. Directors and producers have become considerably more demanding about changing little things to better fit whatever they want for the film in that moment. Especially since things are being worked at in a smaller time frame than before. So the modern day solution would be that if the producer isn't happy with what's been given for one cut of a scene, then Zimmer will just give it to his cohorts to figure out while he approaches other scenes. This is likely why certain cues have more people on it than you'd think is necessary, since one person will have likely done a particular portion, while another did a different spot. An example I can think of is TASM2, where one cue ("Max Electrocuted") literally has an insert with AK (Andrew Kawczynski) initials on it. The "lay the groundwork and let others do the grunt work" situation likely happens on occasion, but what I've described seems more like the general case. I can imagine this sort of thing will be laughed at, since John Williams would've persevered through all of that when he did the sequel trilogy. However, if the rumors are true that VII gave him such a hard time that he nearly quit when JJ came back for IX, then I'd say it's even a miracle that he managed to get any of it done. And those are just for 3 films that he's had some time apart to work on, so one must wonder how RCP composers must feel like going from project to project in a short amount of time. They might be treated as subhuman here basically, but it's something to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,367 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Which now begs the question, what percentage of each cue can HZ take credit for. Shit, we'll need a spreadsheet to keep track. That would be really helpful, actually. 3 hours ago, HunterTech said: Accessible in what sense? Most of the time, I just saw this info posted in the comments of an album, so to find it you have to read through pages and pages of nonsense. Maybe they could put a tab like "Bootlegs"... On the other hand, I don't think anyone involved with Zimmer and RC (and I'm certain they go to that place sometimes, if only to see what the fans are talking) sees that, they wouldn't be happy. lol 3 hours ago, HunterTech said: And it seems they have, now that more recent scores have started including proper credits on Spotify: I guess the situation was getting rather ridiculous, a lot of people working on a single cue, but just only one of them being credited. Something may have happened over the last few days on the industry that we didn't heard of. 3 hours ago, HunterTech said: As for how production on these sorts of scores go, how I've understood it is that the team is around to constantly be accommodating the continuous edits a movie will have until completion. Of course, this has always been the case, but it's gotten to a point where it seems composers are far more likely to just give in to demands. Directors and producers have become considerably more demanding about changing little things to better fit whatever they want for the film in that moment. Especially since things are being worked at in a smaller time frame than before. So the modern day solution would be that if the producer isn't happy with what's been given for one cut of a scene, then Zimmer will just give it to his cohorts to figure out while he approaches other scenes. This is likely why certain cues have more people on it than you'd think is necessary, since one person will have likely done a particular portion, while another did a different spot. An example I can think of is TASM2, where one cue ("Max Electrocuted") literally has an insert with AK (Andrew Kawczynski) initials on it. The "lay the groundwork and let others do the grunt work" situation likely happens on occasion, but what I've described seems more like the general case. I can imagine this sort of thing will be laughed at, since John Williams would've persevered through all of that when he did the sequel trilogy. However, if the rumors are true that VII gave him such a hard time that he nearly quit when JJ came back for IX, then I'd say it's even a miracle that he managed to get any of it done. And those are just for 3 films that he's had some time apart to work on, so one must wonder how RCP composers must feel like going from project to project in a short amount of time. They might be treated as subhuman here basically, but it's something to think about. The more I try to understand this situation, the less I know, actually. For instance, I love Zimmer's Pirates 3 score, but some cues, specially at the final battle, do sound like they were composed by someone else. I've heard similar stuff on Jackman's Civil War, so maybe this is their style when they want to go orchestral and swashbuckling? On the other hand, sure, lots of people may have helped on At World's End, but none of them ever wrote something as good as the material on that score. The info is that Jackman helped on the beloved One Day cue, but on his own he never wrote something as great as that piece of music. And if you know Zimmer, you can actually hear his voice through that track. I guess it depends of how inspired he is on a certain project. I re-listened to Sherlock 2 today, and it IS a Zimmer score, despite Lorne helping, you can hear the German's style, whether you like it or not. On his DCEU scores and Interstellar for instance he did most of the heavy lifting, I imagine, but looking at the sessions of Angels and Demons, it does seem like a score on which he just wrote a few suites and then let his subordinates put that on the movie. Maybe he did that movie just because he had worked on the previous film on the franchise, and also to mantain his friendship with Ron Howard, rather than interest? DaVinci Code seemed to inspire him way more. And about us here making fun of RC, I wouldn't mind. It's the same of people here making fun of Williams' senility (he's still very lucid and hardworking for a man his age, thank God) and his obsession with Daisy Ridley (nothing so far indicates a possible #MeToo situation). I myself use JWFan to have fun, and since these Hollywood composers make more money than me, well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 hours ago, HunterTech said: I can imagine this sort of thing will be laughed at, since John Williams would've persevered through all of that when he did the sequel trilogy. Williams was accommodated like a visiting pope on these things, that's in no way comparable to the kind of grindmill the usual RCP et al. blockbuster is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 hours ago, HunterTech said: one must wonder how RCP composers must feel like going from project to project in a short amount of time. They might be treated as subhuman here basically, but it's something to think about. Machines don't have feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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