Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 CASINO ROYALE and SKYFALL seem to be the gold standard for Craig-era Bond. I wonder how NO TIME TO DIE measures up, to these? So far, I've read no review that compares NTTD to any Craig Bond, either favourably, or unfavourably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbeck 123 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: CASINO ROYALE and SKYFALL seem to be the gold standard for Craig-era Bond. I wonder how NO TIME TO DIE measures up, to these? So far, I've read no review that compares NTTD to any Craig Bond, either favourably, or unfavourably. I`m not a big fan of Skyfall - it kind of falls appart in its last third. Casino Royale is great, one of the best in the series IMO. I saw some reviews linked at Rottentomatoes saying that No Time to Die is "certainly better than Quantum and Spectre" but not comparing it to Casino or Skyfall. Also some reviews saying it is the best of the Craig movies and some others saying the last hour of the movie is not very good. Let's see, I already bought tikets to see it tomorrow at Imax (first time in a theater since Invisible Man, 2 years ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 No Time To Die is a sentimental, unsatisfying end to the Daniel Craig era of James Bond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Just came back from this. It was OK, although more "by the numbers" as opposed to some of the earlier Craig ones (the camp factor of yesteryear was popping up more often here). Didn't have quite the same visual identity and character. In fact, I may rank it last of the Craig films. Fun to watch action sequences in Norway, though. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said: From The Guardian's review - 'Craig’s final film as the diva of British intelligence is an epic barnstormer, with the script from Neal Purvis, Robert Wade, with Phoebe Waller-Bridge delivering pathos, action, drama, camp comedy (Bond will call M “darling” in moments of tetchiness), heartbreak, macabre horror, and outrageously silly old-fashioned action in a movie which calls to mind the world of Dr No on his island.' Sounds like pretty much everything you'd want from a Bond movie, and indeed from movies in general. That sounds great indeed. I hope Indiana Jones 5 can deliver the same, we're long overdue for a great Indy sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Other reviews I've read made it seem like this one is just as downbeat and depressing as the other Craigs that I've disliked so much. Being over 2.5 hours long makes this one pretty easy for me to skip. I'll watch For Your Eyes Only or Living Daylights instead and wait and see what the Broccolis come up with next time. Edmilson and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 hours ago, crumbs said: That sounds great indeed. I hope Indiana Jones 5 can deliver the same, we're long overdue for a great Indy sequel. We've been waiting for a "great Indy sequel", since 1981 GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 If Last Crusade is considered to be not great, then I dont want to live on this planet anymore. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Odd numbered Indie movies are the only good ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: We've been waiting for a "great Indy sequel", since 1989 Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 16 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: We've been waiting for a "great Indy sequel", since 1984 Fixed! Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 15 hours ago, His Royal Noelness said: Odd numbered Indie movies are the only good ones But ... that excludes everything A24! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 163 minutes...-wtff?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,344 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 18 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Other reviews I've read made it seem like this one is just as downbeat and depressing as the other Craigs that I've disliked so much. Being over 2.5 hours long makes this one pretty easy for me to skip. I'll watch For Your Eyes Only or Living Daylights instead and wait and see what the Broccolis come up with next time. And yet there are also ones that say 'much of this film is very funny indeed' and that 'Bond hasn't had this many groansome one-liners and exasperated glances in decades'. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I like all of the Craig Bonds so far. And I am really looking forward to this one. Yes, as an action movie Quantum had its flaws, but still it was a great sequel story to Casino Royale. This is and will probably ever be my favourite Bond series. But before Craig I was one of the few who liked the Moore Bonds most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Yes, as an action movie Quantum had its flaws What flaws are you referring to? I can't remember much of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 48 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What flaws are you referring to? I can't remember much of the movie. After those beautifully choreographed and edited action sequences in Casino in Quantum such sequences were cut to pieces, filled with unnecessary shots of distracting details, so that you hardly recognized what actually was going on, at least when you were sitting in the cinema. Like this: Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 35 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: After those beautifully choreographed and edited action sequences in Casino in Quantum Some of those sequences, especially the opening, looks too choreographed (and preposterous). Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Agreed, but it still manages to look like it's been edited by a five-year-old child, wearing a blindfold, and boxing gloves. 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: What flaws are you referring to? I can't remember much of the movie. Isn't that the biggest flaw of all; that you can't remember a Bond - a fucking Bond - movie?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 There's too many. Just cut a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I vividly remember watching QoS with my brother (at home thankfully), getting to the end, and both of us realising that neither of us had a clue about what had just happened. It doesn't so much have a 'oh that's a rubbish story' sense (although that may be true), but that we genuinely had no idea what was going on for almost all the film. 19 hours ago, MedigoScan said: If Last Crusade is considered to be not great, then I dont want to live on this planet anymore. Even if it existed, why would such consensus bother you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: There's too many. Just cut a few. No. Add a few. QOS is so disjointed. It's meant to reflect the driven, almost schizophrenic, state of Bond's mind, but there are better ways to show this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Voiceover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said: And yet there are also ones that say 'much of this film is very funny indeed' and that 'Bond hasn't had this many groansome one-liners and exasperated glances in decades'. I've seen that too! I don't wanna harp on about it and get in the way of people excited for the film, but Craig and the tone of the movies of the last 15 years (15 years, Christ) have just never been to my taste so I was leaning towards skipping his last one in the cinema anyway. I'll wait for it to hit streaming and watch it over two nights next year or whenever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 QOS is one of the worst edited films I've ever seen. Just the combination of Bourne-esque shakycam paired with that hyper-cutting style doesn't work for me. It's borderline incomprehensible during the action scenes. Edmilson and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 One of the worst tendencies of the 2000s: the Bourne-style shaky cameras. It worked (mostly) well on the Bourne series but for other action movies it was just terrible. I don't know how directors/editors came to the conclusion that the best way to film an action scene is by making the viewer feeling nauseated with some many cuts and shakycams. How the hell I'm gonna tell what is happening and who is winning te fight if I can't understand anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 It works for punctuations of confusions in action setpieces where you want to emphasize the mayham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Do you guys agree or disagree with this ranking? All 26 James Bond Movies, Including ‘No Time To Die,’ Ranked From Worst To Best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Watched it, and it's just another Bond movie. Nothing embarassingly bad about it, but tonally it was all over the place and there's absolutely no justification for that running time. All in all, a pretty standard, not really memorable affair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,364 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Edmilson said: One of the worst tendencies of the 2000s: the Bourne-style shaky cameras. It worked (mostly) well on the Bourne series but for other action movies it was just terrible. I don't know how directors/editors came to the conclusion that the best way to film an action scene is by making the viewer feeling nauseated with some many cuts and shakycams. How the hell I'm gonna tell what is happening and who is winning te fight if I can't understand anything? The best use of shaky cam and total disorientation? The pre credits of Quantum of Solace. The worst? The rest of the damn movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 But QoS contains one actually great action scene (even though it is still splintered). This one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,359 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 38 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: But QoS contains one actually great action scene (even though it is still splintered). This one: That was a remarkably good scene. I appreciate the Craig Bond era for having reasonably realistic action scenes where Bond and adversary actually look like they got in a fight after it's all over and done with. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManofDestiny 71 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Remember last time this agent disobedience , use his boss as bait and fail to protect her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,344 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 There's enjoyable stuff in it, for sure. But there are some (to me) VERY odd story decisions that didn't and still don't sit right with me at all. Fuller review in the NTTD spoilery thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,364 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 10 hours ago, GerateWohl said: But QoS contains one actually great action scene (even though it is still splintered). This one: That's exactly what I mean. I absolutely saw and enjoyed the purpose in keeping the car chase in the opening as disjointed as it was. It totally pays off when he opens the trunk. But then it got to this scene and I thought "The greatest fight scene in the history of Bond and maybe even cinema is happening right now... AND I'M MISSING IT!" I remember liking so many parts of QoS. Craig is never not great. It's the emotional aftermath to Casino Royale that we never got in Diamonds are Forever (and totally got in Fleming's You Only Live Twice). But it's got a dumb overall plot and a terrible ending (not counting the coda with M). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 To be honest, the only Craig Bond movie I actually like is Casino Royale. The other movies that followed it ranged from just okay to mediocre. Skyfall is the second best, but although Deakins' cinematography is top notch, the script is pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Edmilson said: To be honest, the only Craig Bond movie I actually like is Casino Royale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 The movie had a great start at the North American box office: https://deadline.com/2021/10/no-time-to-die-weekend-box-office-1234852700/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,344 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 The 18 month release delay has undoubtedly helped the initial box-office. Wonder if NTTD can sustain it (EON will certainly be hoping so, if that break-even figure of 900 million is anything to go by). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Yesterday I watched Black Widow, which as well comes along as some kind of secret agent story. And even though the new Bond has big flaws, it still wins over this Marvel movie. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said: The 18 month release delay has undoubtedly helped the initial box-office. Wonder if NTTD can sustain it (EON will certainly be hoping so, if that break-even figure of 900 million is anything to go by). Although I'm not interested in seeing this particular Bond I am definitely rooting for it to clean up at the box office still. (a) I want Bond to continue as a healthy series even if they've lost me and (b) I want the cinema business to recover completely from the pandemic Edmilson, Bayesian and Sweeping Strings 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Is it true that the movie needs to earn 900m worldwide just to break even? Because with the pandemic they won't even get close to that. If they're lucky they might approach QoS Box office (590m). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Due to the secretive nature of Hollywood accounting, it is not clear which film is the most expensive film ever made. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides officially holds the record, with a budget of $378.5 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 10 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I want Bond to continue as a healthy series even if they've lost me This makes no sense to me. Are you hoping they might win you back one day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: This makes no sense to me. Are you hoping they might win you back one day? Well of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 The one thing I will say I enjoyed a lot from the Craig movies are the fight scenes. Vastly improved from previous entries. I recently watched a couple of Pierce Brosnan fight scenes again, and while he is my favorite Bond, the fight scenes did not age well. He couldn't do on screen fights. The movies cleverly made us accept it because they didn't take the subject matter that seriously. Similarly, I also quite enjoyed those silly Roger Moore movies, and he also sucked at fighting on screen. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Its numbers at the North American Box Office were a little disappointing: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2021/10/10/box-office-no-time-to-die-starring-daniel-craig-as-james-bond-opens-with-soft-56m-domestic-debut-but-tops-300m-worldwide/?sh=6d45f2192c0b But at least it's performing decently worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Yeah with a $56 mill US opening there ain't no way it's getting anywhere close to $900 million worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/10/2021 at 12:39 AM, Mephariel said: The one thing I will say I enjoyed a lot from the Craig movies are the fight scenes. Vastly improved from previous entries. I recently watched a couple of Pierce Brosnan fight scenes again, and while he is my favorite Bond, the fight scenes did not age well. He couldn't do on screen fights. The movies cleverly made us accept it because they didn't take the subject matter that seriously. No, no, no. No more foreplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 29/09/2021 at 11:13 AM, MedigoScan said: If Last Crusade is considered to be not great, then I dont want to live on this planet anymore. It is not great. It never was. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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