Faleel 5,346 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Jay said: It sounds nothing like any Imperial March variation we've ever heard before. Reminded me a bit of I am the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwfan2234 59 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 On March 20, 2016 at 6:26 AM, BloodBoal said: I don't know, but I'm glad he's back. After Jwfan2234's ban, this forum was starting to get dull again... I am back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted March 31, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2016 Williams on the film's ending from the bonus feature: Quote The trip to the island is Rey's theme. And then she begins to walk up what we call the Jedi Steps, the mountain. There's an entirely new piece that has nothing to do with the rest of the score which starts very softly and it grows with her climbing. There is a kind of aspiration in it if you like. If nothing else then to just achieve the top of the mountain physically, which she does. She seems to be drawn to she doesn't know what. Luke is revealed musically to us and to her. And then when she offers him, we hear the Force theme. And the Force theme evolves into the Star Wars fanfare which is the end of the film. Another snippet: Quote (Laughing) I don't know how many more of them I can do, but having kept up with them this long, I feel very fortunate and grateful to be able to do it. After "I feel very fortunate," it becomes a little tough to understand what he says, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is, or something along those line. Also seems to show him conducting the fanfare for the end credits. Muad'Dib, Balahkay, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Cerebral Cortex said: I don't know how many more of them I can do He better come back for 8 and 9! Cerebral Cortex and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 36 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: He better come back for 8 and 9! He says it in a way that seems to almost say "I'm going to try and keep up as long as I can." That may be me just hearing what I want to hear, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 12 hours ago, Jay said: Don't hold your breath. I'm guessing you know something more - it's not in the works at all, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 100% confirmed! Expanded TFA not coming out next year. Source: Jason LeBlanc, moderator JWfan. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 13 hours ago, aj_vader said: What I think is the original cue of the "Imperial March" cue (where we see Vader's Helmet) has lots more low aggressive french horns in it than the film version. Also a great "Force Theme" rendition at the end of the documentary. Hopefully we get an expanded release this year with all this extra music! Who cares? You can rip that music from the documentaries: they have 5.1 audio, with the music completely clean on the rear channels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 On 29/03/2016 at 2:56 PM, Jay said: I wouldn't say the prequels tell a single narrative. TPM is a story about a planet fighting trade taxation, and the governing body of the galaxy sends 2 Jedi to help and one of them finds a force-sensitive boy along the way AOTC is a split narrative, with one half being Obi-Wan investigating the mystery of an assassination attempt on a senator with a connection to clone armies and the other being Anakin protecting the senator while they fall in love and he has to confront his past, with both stories converging at the end ROTS was a bunch of crap I don't remember about Palpatine revealing himself and turning Anakin and them wiping out most of the jedi and taking over the government or whatever None of this is what 'narrative' means. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Indeed. While the original films tell 3 more or less separate stories, the Prequels have a single narrative thats set out from the start. The taxation of trade routs war is the opening gambit of Palpatine's political machinations to increase his political power. AOTC builds from that with ROTS showing his end game. It's actually all very clearly connected. Even though it's execution is woefully done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 9 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Indeed. While the original films tell 3 more or less separate stories, the Prequels have a single narrative thats set out from the start. The taxation of trade routs war is the opening gambit of Palpatine's political machinations to increase his political power. AOTC builds from that with ROTS showing his end game. It's actually all very clearly connected. Even though it's execution is woefully done. So Luke's hero's journey combined with the larger Rebellion VS the Empire backdrop doesn't count as a bigger narrative for the original trilogy? Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 It's just a bunch of disconnected events that are brought together by Williams' music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Sure, but it's far broader. The actual plot of TESB is almost completely separate from the one of Star Wars. And after Han is saved the plot of ROTJ is completely self contained too. Luke's journey is really the only through line of this trilogy. This is ofcourse because Star Wars was presented as a single narrative since it was completely unclear if a sequel would ever be made. When The Phantom Menace was made it was (almost) ab inevitability. Ricard and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Yeah, reading that, I don't think we'll hear Jedi Steps again, except maybe at some relevant triumphant moment later in the trilogy. Seems it might be the Victory Celebration of the ST. He doesn't sound like he's ruled out continuing with VIII, but just being humble about whether he's capable of continuing to serve the series to the high standard established thus far. Just the usual modest fluff. Kennedy just needs to talk him into it over a morning tea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 4 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Who cares? You can rip that music from the documentaries: they have 5.1 audio, with the music completely clean on the rear channels! Ripping as I type The documentary is indeed in 5.1 so was able to remove some dialogue. There's some volume automation that I can't compensate well for at the minute though. Darth Vader's Theme (Alternate) First Order Theme (Unreleased?) Spoiler in this unreleased Cue Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 23 minutes ago, aj_vader said: First Order Theme (Unreleased?) That's not the First Order theme, that's Kylo Ren's tragic theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: That's not the First Order theme, that's Kylo Ren's tragic theme. I thought this was the First Order Theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 5 hours ago, fommes said: I'm guessing you know something more - it's not in the works at all, is it? Huh? I know absolutely nothing about what Disney or Lucasfilm is up to and likely never will. Nice of you to think I would, though! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 28 minutes ago, crumbs said: He doesn't sound like he's ruled out continuing with VIII, but just being humble about whether he's capable of continuing to serve the series to the high standard established thus far. And that's the most reasonable thing he can say right now. I don't think we should read too much between the lines of such kind of statements. The simple fact, imho, is that JW will very likely return to score 8 and also 9 if time, health, energy, schedule and overall level of commitment will align altogether. These kind of assignments nowadays are of course very demanding, even though JW surely didn't show any sign of fatigue so far. He probably doesn't want to officially commit too early in the process (ie. right now) just to avoid any issue of stepping back for any reason, like it happened with the TFA/Bridge of Spies situation. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 9 minutes ago, aj_vader said: I thought this was the First Order Theme Well, it's not. Williams himself confirmed it's a theme for Kylo, if I remember correctly (I'm sure someone will post the video in which he said that!). aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just now, BloodBoal said: Well, it's not. Williams himself confirmed it's a theme for Kylo, if I remember correctly (I'm sure someone will post the video in which he said that!). Wow. Thanks for clearing that up, I had no idea. So The First Order really has no Theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Well, if member Marcus is to be believed: On 16/12/2015 at 10:38 AM, Marcus said: The First Order has a fairly prominent motif (almost as prominent as the Imperial motif in the first Star Wars film). On 16/12/2015 at 10:47 AM, Marcus said: It's there in the very first track, right after the opening crawl; a four note motif (b3-2-4-b5; or if you will: two descending notes, followed by two ascending notes). And it's repeated quite a few times throughout the album. On 18/12/2015 at 11:20 PM, Marcus said: The First Order motif is first heard during the opening sequence at ca.01.47; b3-2-4-b5, played by horns over a string ostinato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Yes; these are three separate musical entities; two ideas pertaining to Kylo Ren (his "main motif", and a more tragic, repeated note-then-descending motif), and then a four note motif for the First Order (long notes; descending minor second, then an ascending minor second a minor third higher; usually b3-2-4-b5). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 And are we sure that Williams considers that melody to be a theme for the First Order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Didn't he refer to it as Kylo Ren's in interviews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 What I remember, is that the motif in question accompanies prominent First Order moments (initially: Star Destroyer shadow, the attack on the village, Finn's reaction shot to the atrocities, etc..), and I don't recall it ever playing under scenes not featuring the First Order... It's about as prominent as Star Wars' imperial motif (albeit more sinister, and less martial, in character). ...At any rate, the motif consistently functions as a harbinger of the First Order's presence. I don't know how specific Williams necessarily treats these smaller thematic snippets; there are plenty of them throughout the Star Wars saga, and some of them seem to relate to characters in a perhaps broader, less literally leitmotivic sense. Perhaps it's a sort of "tragedy of war" motif, or another motif related to the dark side. Importantly, it consists of two minor thirds a minor second apart, and as I keep observing, that interval (min 3rd) seems absolutely symphonically vital to Williams' TFA score. I don't know what it means, but I'm pretty sure it had structural significance for its composer, if not for movie audiences or more casual listeners. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 15 hours ago, Marcus said: What I remember, is that the motif in question accompanies prominent First Order moments (initially: Star Destroyer shadow, the attack on the village, Finn's reaction shot to the atrocities, etc..), and I don't recall it ever playing under scenes not featuring the First Order... It's about as prominent as Star Wars' imperial motif (albeit more sinister, and less martial, in character). ...At any rate, the motif consistently functions as a harbinger of the First Order's presence. I don't know how specific Williams necessarily treats these smaller thematic snippets; there are plenty of them throughout the Star Wars saga, and some of them seem to relate to characters in a perhaps broader, less literally leitmotivic sense. Perhaps it's a sort of "tragedy of war" motif, or another motif related to the dark side. Importantly, it consists of two minor thirds a minor second apart, and as I keep observing, that interval (min 3rd) seems absolutely symphonically vital to Williams' TFA score. I don't know what it means, but I'm pretty sure it had structural significance for its composer, if not for movie audiences or more casual listeners. Could you provide timestamps from the soundtrack album on this motif? And does it appear elsewhere in the film aside form the opening sequence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 The four note motif in question recurrs throughout the score (and not only in the first reel), always in conjunction with the First Order. I'll try to provide timestamps shortly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Yes please provide time stamps I would be interested too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Watched this featurette earlier today. Sad to say there's almost nothing new presented. I don't know how many times they're gonna use a clip of JW saying he had no idea there would be more SW films after the first one but maybe George Lucas did. There are some good slowmo shots of JW conducting. What's frustrating is that from the interview snippets, you can tell JW actually talked a lot about the score and specific scenes but so little of that was included on the bluray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I watched it last night too and agree. There are a few very short snippets in the studio. Williams discusses Rey's theme, Kylo Ren's theme, and the Jedi Steps theme briefly and in limited detail (if I recall, most if not all of this was in the online featurette a few weeks back). The rest is JJ, Kathy, and the staff blowing a little pleasing smoke up Johnny Baby's tuckus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,097 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 The other PR shows that Wiliams did for news anchors appears to be more informative than the run of the mill featurette in the new DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I would say so, although none of the press really does any type of "deep digging" that I would prefer into the scoring process or the score itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 More positively, nothing seems to indicate this is Williams' fond farewell to the saga. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Correct, there's a little bit of a moment where he says "I don't know how long I can keep doing these," but my read on that statement is that he wants to keep going at it. I plan on watching, or at least starting, the hour documentary tonight. There may be a little bit more about Williams in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Wishful thinking but I don't think he'd make a comment like that if he'd already decided he wasn't scoring VIII or beyond; in that case we would've had the usual, "I feel so privileged to have been part of this series for so many years," etc. It sounds like he wants and hopes to continue but he's being mindful of his age and 2015's health issues. With Kennedy in charge, Williams will always have first right of refusal with Star Wars Episode films, but he probably doesn't feel comfortable or see any point agreeing to score a film over a year before he'd start working on it. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Such a wasted opportunity! I still haven't seen the featurette, but what you say sounds more or less exactly what BloodBoal predicted a few pages ago. My blu ray should be here on monday. I hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 There you go: Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Load of rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 That overuse of slow-mo really bothers me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Why do they think Star Wars fans need to be told how amazing and indispensable Williams apparently is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Because they keep pumping out 6 minute featurettes on a 2 hour score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Lip service for the masses as expected, but nice to see all the same. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 That went down quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Psycho Pianist 216 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Grrr. So all those hours of footage of Williams and the orchestra during the sessions is doomed to spend the rest of its days on some lone hard drive at Disney? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 It does only scratch the surface of the score, but it's still a lovely featurette. At least it wasn't just 10 minutes of blowing smoke up his ass for his legacy as a composer, which it could easily have been. They discussed the new themes and John seemed totally engaged with the continuing story, all the new characters and new themes, as well as his meticulous ability to combine them for a satisfying emotional climax. Curious if the vision of him conducting the End Credits opening was clever editing; I though Dudamel conducted that cue? Before we heard the soundtrack, JJ seemed rather specific when discussing The Jedi Steps and Finale that John was conducting. A fine performance either way, along with the rest of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 It's likely Williams also conducted the end credits at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 He probably rehearsed the piece including the first reading, and then he called Dudamel to join along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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