The Towering Inferno & JFK coming from LLL!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Uhh. Excuse me. We also need the score from the E.T. Adventure at Universal Studios. It's my most-wanted music. What's taking E.T. so long? It is, after all, the greatest score of all time.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,514]

1 hour ago, Stefancos said:

That's really the problem high resulution audio has and why it's never really taken off.

Most people can't really tell the difference.

 

In the late 90's if you bought a DVD player and hooked it up to even an old TV you could straight away see the enormous difference in picture quality to not only VHS, but standard TV broadcasts as well.

 

With high resolution audio the difference is far more subtle, and often requires you to invest not only in an SA-CD or DVD-A player, but also in a new amp and a set of high end speakers.

 

That's what I meant. So, what I said was true...from a certain point of view...

[TownerFan 4,983]

1 hour ago, Selina Kyle said:

Uhh. Excuse me. We also need the score from the E.T. Adventure at Universal Studios. It's my most-wanted music. What's taking E.T. so long? It is, after all, the greatest score of all time.

 

I'm confident we'll see a definitive and comprehensive E.T. release - much likely along the lines of Intrada's Jaws - in the very near future. Let's hope the Universal Studios "Adventure" cues will be included as well.

[Jay 37,346]

8 hours ago, azahid said:

 

Jay, What you got? I have a Denon 1611 high end player Plays both SCAD & DVD-Audio formats.

 

Some LG something or other from a long time ago

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

3 hours ago, Richard said:

 

That's what I meant. So, what I said was true...from a certain point of view...

 

You said every blu-ray player plays SACD's. Which isn't true. They play CD's.

[Jay 37,346]

You don't use an apostrophe when pluralizing things.  It's just CDs and SACDs.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

[Naïve Old Fart 9,514]

20 minutes ago, Jay said:

You don't use an apostrophe when pluralizing things.  Its just CDs and SACDs.

 

"Are there two Ls in dollar?"

"Aye, and there are two Gs in bugger off!"

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

24 minutes ago, Jay said:

You don't use an apostrophe when pluralizing things.  Its just CDs and SACDs.

 

First tell this to every single native English speaker before you tell me. 

[Wojo 2,453]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

You don't use an apostrophe when pluralizing things.  Its just CDs and SACDs.

 

However, you do use an apostrophe when contracting it and is. 

[Incanus 5,714]

2 minutes ago, WojinPA said:

 

However, you do use an apostrophe when contracting it and is. 

[Wojo 2,453]

That must of hurt... 

 

No! 

 

That must've hurt! 

[Miguel Andrade 1,263]

I have an LG blu-ray player and it can't play SACD.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,514]

It should, if the SACD is dual-layer.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Same here. Like i said, blu-ray players generally cannot read an SACD. 

18 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said:

I have an LG blu-ray player and it can't play SACD.

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,514]

Mine reads SLOWHAND, just fine.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Just now, Richard said:

It should, if the SACD is dual-layer.

 

But then it can only read the CD layer. So there's no difference what so ever in sound quality when compared to playing a normal CD.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,514]

Right. For reasons known only to Sony, Blu ray players cannot read the 5.1 layer,

(unless they are Sony's), but then, I don't think a SACD plays in dts, so...DVD-As win.

[Jay 37,346]

I could be remembering wrong about my LG Blu Ray player, maybe it doesn't play SACDs.  I think it IS able to read HDCDs though, which was a brief format in the 90s that allowed 20 bit mastering that could still be read my normal redbook players.  I think the Independence Day OST is the only HDCD I have

[Naïve Old Fart 9,514]

12 minutes ago, Jay said:

I could be remembering wrong about my LG Blu Ray player, maybe it doesn't play SACDs.  I think it IS able to read HDCDs though, which was a brief format in the 90s that allowed 20 bit mastering that could still be read my normal redbook players.  I think the Independence Day OST is the only HDCD I have

 

Do you have the original release of ROSEWOOD, because, if you do...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

20 minutes ago, Richard said:

Right. For reasons known only to Sony, Blu ray players cannot read the 5.1 layer,

(unless they are Sony's), but then, I don't think a SACD plays in dts, so...DVD-As win.

 

 

Again, not quite right.

SACD isnt the same as 5.1 audio. Actually there were quite a few SACD releases that were stereo. They just had a far higher resolution then CD.

 

20 minutes ago, Jay said:

I could be remembering wrong about my LG Blu Ray player, maybe it doesn't play SACDs.  I think it IS able to read HDCDs though, which was a brief format in the 90s that allowed 20 bit mastering that could still be read my normal redbook players.  I think the Independence Day OST is the only HDCD I have

 

There are Blu-ray players that can handle SACD. But it's certainly not a default option, since it's pretty much an obsolete format that was never very popular anyway.

 

Every Blu-ray player can handle HDCD because every CD player could handle it. 

[Jay 37,346]

Yes but not every CD player could actually read the 20 bits.  Of course every CD player could read the 16bit redbook information

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yes, i know.

[thx99 1,740]

20 minutes ago, Richard said:

 

Do you have the original release of ROSEWOOD, because, if you do...

 

And...

 

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

The Sketches on Star Wars jazz album is also a HDCD.

 

2 hours ago, Jay said:

Yes but not every CD player could actually read the 20 bits.  Of course every CD player could read the 16bit redbook information

 

I've always wondered how the extra 4 bits are encoded. Because when I ripped an HDCD to a 16 bit WAV file and burnt that back to CD, my player would again recognise it as an HDCD. Seems it's less an issue of reading the information than of actually decoding it.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

On 05/10/2016 at 7:22 AM, Richard said:

Any Blu Ray player can play SACDs, but not in 5.1. They can play matrix (with a Pro-Logic II decoder), but not discrete.

 

Any disc drive period can play SACDs, but you need a specialised SACD player or an integrated player to play the SACD layer on the disc. Otherwise, regular players will just be reading the Red Book layer, which is essentially just regular CD audio.

10 hours ago, Richard said:

Right. For reasons known only to Sony, Blu ray players cannot read the 5.1 layer,

 

Unless it's SACD enabled, it can't read the SACD 2-channel layer either.

[Amer 2,096]

What about Multi-channel SACD editions, aren't these supposed to be 5.1?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,514]

Supposed to be, yes, but if the disc is encoded for something other than 5.1 (eg 5.0, or 4.0 quad), then it will play that.

Will a SACD player play DVD-As?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I don't think so, they were rival systems afterall. You could buy DVD players that could handle both formats. I had one. 

 

I suppose there are blu-ray players capable of handling both SACD and DVD-A now. Pioneer probably.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Yamaha and Oppo too.

 

The first generation PS3.

[Jay 37,346]

On 10/5/2016 at 5:38 PM, Marian Schedenig said:

I've always wondered how the extra 4 bits are encoded. Because when I ripped an HDCD to a 16 bit WAV file and burnt that back to CD, my player would again recognise it as an HDCD. Seems it's less an issue of reading the information than of actually decoding it.

 

Wow really? Huh, that's fascinating.   I was planning on figuring out how to rip them at 20 bits someday, as technically the ID4 OST has more bit depth than the LLL expansion. Buy maybe it's all just smoke and mirrors.

[thx99 1,740]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

Wow really? Huh, that's fascinating.   I was planning on figuring out how to rip them at 20 bits someday, as technically the ID4 OST has more bit depth than the LLL expansion. Buy maybe it's all just smoke and mirrors.

 

Not smoke and mirrors, but will the average listener hear the difference?  Probably not.  FWIW, Windows Media Player includes an HDCD decoder and will play back HDCD CDs accordingly (see bottom left-hand corner of image in spoiler):

 

Spoiler

From what I've found, there are a couple of options to convert an HDCD disc to HDCD files:

• [CONFIRMED] Rip the CD as conventional 16-bit/44.1 kHz WAVs using EAC or whatever.  Download a command tool named "hdcd.exe" and copy it into the folder where your WAVs are stored.  (WARNING: Antivirus software may flag "hdcd.exe" file as dangerous and delete it when you run it)  Open a command window and use the following command (included the "<" and ">"):

hdcd.exe < "input file name.wav" > "output file name.wav"

Here's a YouTube video setting forth the procedure above, with a link to the "hdcd.exe" file: 

 

• [UNCONFIRMED] dBpoweramp can rip an HDCD disc (or ripped WAVs thereof?) to HDCD files, with the HDCD DSP plug-in installed.  The dBpoweramp plug-in pack can be downloaded here:  https://www.dbpoweramp.com/dbpoweramp-dsp.htm

 

• [UNCONFIRMED] Rip the CD as a CUE file, and use CUETools to extract the tracks as HDCD files.  Possibly a bit more complicated than the above methods.  Here are the detailed instructions:  http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ripping-hdcd-sacd.301966/#post-8265734

 

While HDCD offers 20-bit resolution, the HDCD files will come out as padded 24-bit WAVs, presumably since 24-bit quantization is more "standard" than 20-bit.  You'll notice that the 24-bit WAVs will seemingly have an overall lower amplitude than their 16-bit counterparts.

 

Below is a comparison between a louder portion of the left channel of "Fed Net March" as ripped from the CD (top waveform) and as converted to an HDCD file using the first method above (bottom waveform), and applying amplification to approximately match that of the CD rip.  I've highlighted three peaks with red arrows to illustrate the increase in dynamic range with the HDCD file (seen as the greater vertical spread of the peaks/arrows compared to the CD rip).
 

Spoiler

 

 

On 10/5/2016 at 5:38 PM, Marian Schedenig said:

I've always wondered how the extra 4 bits are encoded. Because when I ripped an HDCD to a 16 bit WAV file and burnt that back to CD, my player would again recognise it as an HDCD. Seems it's less an issue of reading the information than of actually decoding it.

 

You are correct.  The extra 4 bits of dynamic range are derived from the "least significant bits" of the 16-bit audio CD samples, using "custom dithering, audio filters, and some reversible amplitude and gain encoding; Peak Extend, which is a reversible soft limiter and Low Level Range Extend, which is a reversible gain on low-level signals. There is thus a benefit at the expense of a very minor increase in noise." (per a 1996 Audio Engineering Society presentation titled "Compatible Resolution Enhancement in Digital Audio Systems").

[Jay 37,346]

MV posted on FSM that The Towering Inferno will not be coming out this year

 

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No one's mentioning, The Towering Inferno, will that one make it before the end of the year? Thanks.

 

 

No

 

 

 

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=118900&forumID=1&archive=0

[phbart 609]

Isn't E.T. and CE3K enough for the time being? Some people just can't get enough...

[Jay 37,346]

I don't understand your problem.  This thread was created before we knew CE3K and ET were coming.

[Amer 2,096]

And neither is JFK.

[phbart 609]

 

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

I don't understand your problem.  This thread was created before we knew CE3K and ET were coming.

 

No problem. Your quote was from 10 minutes ago.

[Jay 37,346]

So your problem is with the FSM poster who asked MV if The Towering Inferno was still on schedule?

[phbart 609]

Jeez! Relax, dude! I said it's no problem. It was just a comment.

 

All I meant is that, given the fact that two very high profile JW scores are being released in a short period of time between them (which is unusual), it's very unlikely to have a third one in the same period. We know better.

 

K?

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Why do LLL and MV mainly post on FSM and not on JWFan? Shouldn't that be a much better place to inform the fans about the JW releases?

[Jay 37,346]

55 minutes ago, phbart said:

Jeez! Relax, dude! I said it's no problem. It was just a comment.

 

All I meant is that, given the fact that two very high profile JW scores are being released in a short period of time between them (which is unusual), it's very unlikely to have a third one in the same period. We know better.

 

K?

 

You think I'm not relaxed?  What about my posts gave you that impression?  You are the one complaining on this board about something a guy did on another board.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

FSM is a general film music site, therefore it has a far larger membership, which includes Williams fans.

[phbart 609]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

You are the one complaining on this board about something a guy did on another board.

 

I bet that was you, using an alias.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Ha!

[Jay 37,346]

4 minutes ago, phbart said:

 

I bet that was you, using an alias.

 

You think I created a second FSM profile just  to publicly ask MV if Towering Inferno was still coming out this year, instead of just emailing him?

[phbart 609]

Maybe you did both.

[Jay 37,346]

I did neither.  It makes no difference to me when the Towering Inferno comes out.

[phbart 609]

But seriously, you have his email?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Of course he does, he's the Moderator of JWfan!

[Jay 37,346]

MV Gerhardt?  Yes.  I've had lunch with him and Matt Verboys several times