Unknown Cue from Revenge of the Sith?

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

So I was on the BMI repertoire, just looking through John Williams' page, mainly to check for any TFA cues, when I came upon a cue I had not seen before, credited to John Williams called "Death of Ki Adi". So obviously Ki-Adi-Mundi is a character in Episode 3 that was killed during the order 66 scene. Does this mean that there was music specifically for his death, or that BMI made a mistake somehow, or there was a character in another movie with that name? I'm kind of confused right now. Take a look for yourself; it's on page 11...

 

http://repertoire.bmi.com/PublisherCatalog.asp?fromrow=251&torow=275&keyname=BANTHA%20MUSIC&querytype=PUBWORKS&keyid=17754&page=11&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&affiliation=&cae=&term=

 

EDIT: On a side, note, the only cue we don't have from TFA that I could find was a cue called "Bring Her to Me". Not sure if it's referring to the film mix, or an unused cue.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6478]

Weird.

[Datameister 1651]

Well that's must bizarre. The cue heard in that scene is called "Lament", and the track was titled...what, "Anakin's Betrayal", right? Weird indeed. I got nothin'!

[Incanus 5569]

Yeah that's a mystery.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10254]

Could it be an unused insert specifically for that one scene?

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

That had crossed my mind. George Lucas does so much re-editing that Ki's scene could have been longer, even possibly before or after the Order 66 sequence.

 

I found yet another strange title, credited to Williams. It's titled "Leia's Nightmare". I don't recall Leia ever having a nightmare in the OT...

 

 

[Incanus 5569]

Leia's Nightmare comes from Joel McNeely's Shadows of the Empire that is basically a direct quote from the Carbon Freeze music from ESB, which might explain why it is attributed to Williams.

 

And by inference it is possible Death of Ki Adi could have been done by other hands but either quoting Williams or just a reworking of his original music.

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

Oddly specific name for a cue though. As far as I know, I don't believe there's ever been a re-recording of Lament. Not one that would be credited on the BMI site anyway.

[Incanus 5569]

Actually with something like Leia's Nightmare being labeled composed by John Williams (which of course he did although with McNeely quoting his composition) it makes it challenging to accertain from the BMI database which of this stuff was actually composed by the Maestro as their metadata for each entry is rather scant.

[crumbs 12625]

Are all recorded cues for each score listed in this database, with no regard for what's been released on album?

 

Only had a quick glance but TFA's end credits alone have 3 different entries, which makes sense. Part 1 was Gustavo conducting Luke's Theme, Part 2 was Williams conducting the remainder, and presumably the third listed version of the credits is the rewritten alternate credits suite they recorded earlier in the year (which Williams or JJ was reportedly unsatisfied with, wanting Poe's theme included).

[Incanus 5569]

I think there are also different entries there for cues named differently in the sheet music and on the album/other media.

 

E.g.

GRIEVOUS SPEAKS TO LORD SIDIOUS (name of the OST album track)

GRIEVOUS TRAVELS TO PALPATINE (name of a film cue)

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

Still no new entries for TFA (aside from the OST tracks, and a few titles from the FYC). Other than the end credit segments you mentioned, I also found a cue titled "Bring Her to Me", which appears to be the only unreleased cue listed. No idea if they're referring to the film mix, or an unused version we don't know of yet.

 

I wish the site was a little more specific, listing what project each of the cues were from. Until they do so, there's no way of knowing what "Death of Ki Adi" might actually be.

[Gnome in Plaid 213]

15 hours ago, Incanus said:

I think there are also different entries there for cues named differently in the sheet music and on the album/other media.

 

E.g.

GRIEVOUS SPEAKS TO LORD SIDIOUS (name of the OST album track)

GRIEVOUS TRAVELS TO PALPATINE (name of a film cue)

It's my understanding that there are two versions of that cue.

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

Nope, just one version. Incanus is correct.

[Incanus 5569]

And to be specific, the track Grievous Speaks to Lord Sidious is an edit which contains music also from another cue from the end of the film so it is not identical with the film version in content either.

[crumbs 12625]

I love it when Williams combines cues from late in the first act with cues that kick-off the third. 

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

I'm hoping Episode 8 has a cue called "Main Title and The Finale".

[Sharkissimo 1971]

It's probably something from one of the video games. Maybe a Mark Griskey cue.

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

Video game music is not listen on the BMI site. Not only is it credited specifically to John Williams, but Ki-Adi-Mundi never appeared in any of the games, plus he was killed in ROTS.

[John Takis 106]

Wouldn't there be precedent for an insert having a separate title? "Jabba More Sinister," for example.

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

Possibly, though the question is why is it not listed on the recording sessions? Not to mention there is no insert in that scene, at least not one in the final cut of the film.

[BrotherSound 1844]

On 5/16/2016 at 8:25 PM, Manakin Skywalker said:

So I was on the BMI repertoire, just looking through John Williams' page, mainly to check for any TFA cues, when I came upon a cue I had not seen before, credited to John Williams called "Death of Ki Adi". So obviously Ki-Adi-Mundi is a character in Episode 3 that was killed during the order 66 scene. Does this mean that there was music specifically for his death, or that BMI made a mistake somehow, or there was a character in another movie with that name? I'm kind of confused right now. Take a look for yourself; it's on page 11...

 

So, five years later, I have an answer for you: 'Death of Ki-Adi' is not anything from the film or soundtrack, but a usage of that soundtrack in some other media, most likely a video game. For whatever reason, this is probably a snippet of 'Lament' registered under a different title. Can anyone with access to the various Star Wars prequel video game audio files confirm this, or are the files unlabeled?

 

There's some other cases like this: for instance, 'Windu, Yoda, and Obi-Wan On A Transport' is not an original JW cue title, either. There's also several cues that use the same title as the film, but were split into separate sections for other usages: for example 'The Death of Padmé' has a single entry for the actual film cue, but is also registered as 'The Death of Padmé Part 1' and 'The Death of Padmé Part 2', probably for a video game.

 

Examples for Revenge of the Sith, from the GEMA Repertoire:

Quote

Film Cue Codes

 

SF6700 Main Title

SF6701 Boys Into Battle

SF6724 They're Coming Around

SF6725 Get 'Em R2

OST Codes

 

SF7604 Confrontation with Dooku And Finale

SF7613 General Grievous

SF7614 Palpatine's Teachings

SF7616 The Birth of the Twins and Padme's Destiny

 

Other Codes

 

SP9213 Boys Into Battle (Part 1)

SP9221 Boys Into Battle (Part 2)

SP9236 Windu, Yoda, and Obi-Wan On A Transport

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 3606]

2 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

So, five years later, I have an answer for you: 'Death of Ki-Adi' is not anything from the film or soundtrack, but a usage of that soundtrack in some other media, most likely a video game. For whatever reason, this is probably a snippet of 'Lament' registered under a different title. Can anyone with access to the various Star Wars prequel video game audio files confirm this, or are the files unlabeled?

 

There's some other cases like this: for instance, 'Windu, Yoda, and Obi-Wan On A Transport' is not an original JW cue title, either. There's also several cues that use the same title as the film, but were split into separate sections for other usages: for example 'The Death of Padmé' has a single entry for the actual film cue, but is also registered as 'The Death of Padmé Part 1' and 'The Death of Padmé Part 2', probably for a video game.

 

Examples for Revenge of the Sith, from the GEMA Repertoire:

 

Interesting! I have all of the video game rips and go through them periodically; none of them have any names like this, typically it's either just something like "jw_action_mid_01", or a string of random letters and numbers.

 

To be honest I have absolutely no recollection of having ever created this thread.