Naïve Old Fart 9,514 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Why would he want to? He was better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Damien: The Omen part II might be the exception to that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 People always say that but when i listen to that album there are just a few cues flat out restating music from part 1. He even did a whole new main theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,514 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I like that score, and there are certainly many hi-lights ("Shafted", and the snowmobile music). If the score is not as good as the original, just look at what it accompanied... Still, in many ways, it is a playful score, and it has a wry wit. "TFC", on the other hand, is completely beyond superlatives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 31 minutes ago, publicist said: All of Goldsmith's sequel scores were novelties. It never seemed to occur to him that he just could repeat the first score, like Horner so often did. Poltergeist II being one of the most extreme examples. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 32 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Damien: The Omen part II might be the exception to that though. 27 minutes ago, publicist said: People always say that but when i listen to that album there are just a few cues flat out restating music from part 1. He even did a whole new main theme. I think he gives a nice new spin on his original material in part 2 and adds some twists to it, including that wry choral croak motif for the ravens. The tone is more wickedly playful as well. Which reminds, I should take another listen to the whole trilogy again. Chilling but excellent stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 The heroic mission tune from 'Rambo 2''s end title could have found a loving home in so many 80's Arnies, Stallone's or Norris's or alternately one of Donald Trump's early self-congratulory image clips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Just received this and read the booklet. Really informative liner notes. Can't wait to give this a spin Having said that I wish they would have written a little bit more about the actual music, rather then the technical details like slate numbers, what kind of tape etc etc. I can understand why they didnt include a track-by-track analyses, since the Silva Screen already had one and the content of this new release is almost identical. but still.... 3 hours ago, publicist said: The heroic mission tune from 'Rambo 2''s end title could have found a loving home in so many 80's Arnies, Stallone's or Norris's or alternately one of Donald Trump's early self-congratulory image clips. Goldsmith wasn't against repurposing an unused theme, so it's surprising he never went back to it. But apparently he eveb refused to discuss it with Doug Fake, so something must have hit a nerve back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 Probably he found the commercial appeal of a song (Frank Stallone!) more intriguing. And the heroic counter theme wouldn't have fitted most other pictures he did afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm guessing Jerry isnt the one who chose the song over the orchestral end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 7 hours ago, publicist said: People always say that but when i listen to that album there are just a few cues flat out restating music from part 1. He even did a whole new main theme. Agreed. My initial impression, all those years ago, was: Meh, just the same score all over again. But that didn't last long, and I think they actually have very little in common. Certainly Damien is full of highlights that are totally original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Of course, but unlike most of his sequel scores it relies heavily on the main theme from the first score and doesn't really have any prominent new themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Jason, I don't visit FSM. Has anyone there asked why The Map is about 9 seconds shorter then it is on the old Silva CD? The final bit is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 This is the only reference to The Map I see in the FSM thread: --"The Map" seems to be the only track not accounted for in the two major master materials Doug discusses in the liner notes (digital and three-track) and it also is probably the worst-sounding track of the full score presentation. I've a/b'd it with the Silva and it may be just mastering, but they don't sound like the same source to me necessarily. So maybe the 1/4" tapes Doug talks about in the liner notes are not the same "baked" tapes that were used for the Silva? ("Home Flight" was also not on the three-track master but did appear on the 1610.) You could try asking Intrada directly on Intrada's message board: http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7167 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Trying, but I can't get past the SPAMBOT question. Roger announces new Intrada releases every...: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Nope. What a stoopid website! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Hmmm, Monday night is indeed when their new titles always go up. But they don't start shipping until Tuesday, so maybe its looking for that. Or maybe capitalization matters Or maybe the answer is Thursday, since that's when he typically posts the first clues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I maxed out my alloted amount of answers so I have to try again later. This doesnt prove that I'm a SPAMBOT, ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: This doesnt prove that I'm a SPAMBOT, ok! Well, not even the Voight-Kampff test is 100% conclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Apparently Thursday/thursday isnt a correct answer either. This is idiotic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Well someone on the FSM board just asked the question there What's the story with "The Map"? There are an extra few notes on the Silva version that don't appear here. Was it a different take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I would have asked hours ago if they had let me! It's not fair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Oh! I betcha the answer to the spambot question is "2 weeks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Success! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Rambo: First Blood Part II (INT 7149) CD 1 Outstanding. Improves on the already excellent Silva Screen release from 1999 by having a few nuggets that were unaccounted for back in the day. And the tracks on the Silva release that sounded a bit compromised are presented in excellent sound here. Great job Intrada! CD 2 This one is a bit baffling to be honest. The bulk of CD 2 is filled with an 35MM 3 channel mix of the exact same music as on the first CD and I cannot see the point of it. For the most part it sounds exactly the same, except a few instances when it actually sounds worse. If anything this selection shows that Bruce Botnick knows his stuff. Otherwise I can't think of any reason to play this again, ever. The only reson I can think of for including this is to justify making this a 2 CD set. Without it the complete score and all the alternates come up to 87 minutes. The alternates on CD 2 are of interest. But why present the percussion overlay for Revenge separately and not where it's supposed to go? This CD set has 3 version of Revenge, but none with the insert? The most important addition of the second CD is of course the End Credits cue, which despite it's very poor sound is very worthwhile. (i hope City Of Prague will oneday rerecord it) Like I have said many times over the years, this is one of my all time favourite score. So I adore this release. But were a more casual Goldsmith listener ask me if he should buy this one of go for a second hand copy of the Silva Screen release I would have to recommend the latter. Objectively speaking you are paying a lot of money for only a few minutes of new worthwhile music. And the sound is pretty much the same anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Some quotes from the FSM thread about "The Map", and other stuff Quote What's the story with "The Map"? There are an extra few notes on the Silva version that don't appear here. Was it a different take? Quote The Intrada version is listed as 0:59. The Silva version is 1:09. Ummm... not sure what the difference is, haven't received the Intrada disc, but I'll be gutted if this cue is missing something. Quote Yeah it is not here. The Silva one had a coda to it and sonically sounds better than the Intrada shorter version. Intrada mention they could not find the map cue for the 35 MM mixes but curious why they did not just use the Silva CD source here. Not end of the world I have just used the Silva one on my playlist. Also used the 35 MM mixes of the the Camp, River Crash, Gun boat and the village attack/helicopter fight instead of the disc 1 tracks. The 35mm ones for these cues are so much better. Also at least one of those short percussion tracks was used during the camp infiltration when Rambo kills a guard with an arrow to the head. Overlay I think? Finally played around with the end credit in Audacity to push more info to the right channel and emphasised treble to make it sound a bit better. Quote Judging by the film, that coda was a fix and not really meant as a coda. The last long note needs to be edited to the end of the track to achieve the film version. So strictly speaking, the Intrada release is only missing a long held bass note at the end of the track. Nothing major really. And yes, both "Percussion No. 1" and "Percussion No. 2" are overlays for "The Cage" and can be heard in the film when Rambo kills two guards with arrows. Geez, why wouldn't they have mixed those percussion overlays into the proper spots somewhere on the release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 According to the liner notes the percussion stingers werent used, but they can clearly be heard in the film during The Cage scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Well made my own complete score edit. With the final part of The Map restored and the 2 percussion stingers inserted into The Cage, and the song permanently junked in favour of the End Credits piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 13 hours ago, Stefancos said: Well made my own complete score edit. With the final part of The Map restored and the 2 percussion stingers inserted into The Cage, and the song permanently junked in favour of the End Credits piece. Where do those percussion stringers go in The Cage? Any editing advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Incanus said: Where do those percussion stringers go in The Map? Any editing advice? My first advice would be to edit them into The Cage rather then The Map. I might need to do some fine tuning but when I'm happy with the result I'll share my findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: My first advice would be to edit them into The Cage rather then The Map. I might need to do some fine tuning but when I'm happy with the result I'll share my findings. Ah of course. Again typing too fast and too much cursory reading fo the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 The first percussion stinger goes at 3 minutes and 1 second. The second one goes at 3 minutes and 36 seconds. And it's just a matter of fine-tuning the position exactly so that it flows well with the notes that follow them. My edit might be a millisecond off of the film version, but i like the way they flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 It boggles my mind that with 2 CDs to play with, they didn't present the track twice, once without the overdubs, and once with them properly inserted. How odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I love the set but there seem to be a few things that slipped their attention. First of all the final 10 seconds of The Map. The Intrada release plays identical to how the cue is heard in the film. But the Silva Screen version is longer. The two percussion stingers (tracks 25 and 26 on CD 2). According to the liner notes these weren't used in the film. But they clearly and very noticeably were. Considering this release is supposed to contain everything they could find of the score, even if the sound quality was poor, and since the liner notes goes into great detail about why some tracks are presented slightly differently then on the Silva Screen release (though at no point the name Silva Screen is mentioned) I simply have to conclude that they never noticed The Map ran longer. Or that those percussion stingers were in fact overlays for The Cage. Strange since a lot of exhaustive work obviously went into this release. But there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Yea, its just odd that they say they love the score so much, but wouldn't notice something obvious like percussion overlays appearing in the film. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I wonder if thats the reason why no one from Intrada has commented on these questions yet. Little niggles aside though this is still a worthwhile release. Especially those End Credits, despite the poor audio. I have a crystal clear version playing in my mind for days now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I am perfectly fine with the Intrada set as I don't have such extensive knowledge of the score beforehand nor do I remember the score from the film with such detail that these small things would bother me too much. A great score and as I said before a fantastic new find for me in JG's discography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 The cues mentioned are not that interesting anyway. No biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Are these percussion overlays on the Silva Screen edition? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 They are unique to the Intrada set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Just received mine (along with Chinatown). Why did I get two booklets? Oh and I got charged customs... That's the second time this year.. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Two booklets for Rambo II? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Yeah. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 It's quite thick paper, surprised they fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 No, one of them was loose in their box packaging. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Intrada seems to have become rather slovenly of late. "Unused" overlays that weren't unused, now this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Oh wait, think I know why. There is a slight (and I mean very slight) printing error on the front cover. Like a white mark. Hardly noticeable. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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