Demodex 557 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Simply because it's not how the music was written or originally recorded. Splices and edits everywhere. Almost literally butchered - i.e. cut up in little pieces.Doesn't bother me. It still sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I guess you'd also like a Shakespearean play where some passages are cut out, others repeated ad libitum and several ones moved to entirely different and unrelated places, as long as the words sound nice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 But TPM UE isn't even close to the standards of these Complete Recordings.It's the music from the movie in chronological order. So, to me it's the same thing.Geez newbs Use the search button. The UE is one of the worse listening experience I've ever had. Not talking about the _quality_ of Johnny's work here, but the way it was presented. It's ages away from the RCA/Victor SE's and even further from the FOTR complete score. When you know how the real thing could have been, you'll understand!Really man there must be something like 1 edit each about 30 seconds in the UE, on other times it's in rapid successions. Bars are looped, instruments are looped, passages are cut in drastic ways, stretches are everywhere, or slowed, and even worse is that there is pitch changes throughout the score its annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Geez newbs Use the search button. The UE is one of the worse listening experience I've ever had. Not talking about the _quality_ of Johnny's work here, but the way it was presented. It's ages away from the RCA/Victor SE's and even further from the FOTR complete score. When you know how the real thing could have been, you'll understand!Further really?LOTR has better liner notes, but there are some edits in there (shortening repeated measures, chorus being mixed lower, etc.This is speaking edit-wise, of course a 2001 recording released 4 years after its recording sounds better than a 1977-1983 recording released after almost twenty years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Geez newbs Use the search button. The UE is one of the worse listening experience I've ever had. Not talking about the _quality_ of Johnny's work here, but the way it was presented. It's ages away from the RCA/Victor SE's and even further from the FOTR complete score. When you know how the real thing could have been, you'll understand!Further really?LOTR has better liner notes, but there are some edits in there (shortening repeated measures, chorus being mixed lower, etc.I think both of those are incidental occurences, and approved by the composer.Oddly enough, the TPM UE still has the credit Album Produced by John Williams on the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I doubt he was at all involved in the sequencing of the album. The Reivers (John Williams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I guess you'd also like a Shakespearean play where some passages are cut out, others repeated ad libitum and several ones moved to entirely different and unrelated places, as long as the words sound nice?Once more unto the more unto the more breach, dear English dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Che? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 10, 2006 Author Share Posted August 10, 2006 Don't you mean "qué?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 ¿Qué? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Si. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridan 0 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,674 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 No no, Qué; what, Si? Qué, what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I guess you'd also like a Shakespearean play where some passages are cut out, others repeated ad libitum and several ones moved to entirely different and unrelated places, as long as the words sound nice?Once more unto the more unto the more breach, dear English dead!That makes just a little bit less sense than when I first started reading Shakespeare. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony69 0 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 omg, whens the release? what is the extra materials? i think they said there would be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Late October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 omg, whens the release? what is the extra materials? i think they said there would be...What extra materials? Are we gonna start whining about the fanclub credits again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Like the FOTR set, the TTT end credits will not include the DVD fan scroll music since that music is already on the set in its proper place. No point in making people pay twice for the same music, right?The two unused cues in the fan club credits will be restored to the proper places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 C.K. Watt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Sooooooo.......... when's this thing available for pre-order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,674 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,674 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I doubt it will before the press release (which should have been like a week ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 It's not out for another two months. There will be plenty of time to pre-order. Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 You should know better Mr. Ware, film score fans have no patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Wait, are you saying your name is 'I. Cheese'?Aye.Cheese?Aye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Mr. Lord of the Rings (II), Doug Adams, indicated that the 24th or the 31st should be good bets, since CDs are often being released on Tuesdays, but of course anything's possible.LOTR has better liner notes, but there are some edits in there (shortening repeated measures, chorus being mixed lower, etc.Yes, you're right about that. At first it bothered me a little, but I found out very soon that the added material outweights the trimmed parts by a great length.AND most important: the trimmings were done simply for a better listening experience, whereas TPM is all over the place either because Lucas late edits were so drastic that the score couldn't be re-recorded or because he didn't bother with it.In any case, TPM UE should have corrected the hackslaying. Both Soundtracks have edits; it's just that with TPM it was lazyness, and with FOTR it was a bit of artistic freedom in favour of the listener.FOTR was shortened by less than 40 seconds of sustained notes and some Isengart 5/4 percussion. Compared to TPM that's less than nothing.Not to mention these changes were given green light by Shore himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 ... and even suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridan 0 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Oy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,674 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Not that I've seen Fellowship for some time, but I've never noticed any difference between the film and the CR - so whatever edits they've made, they're good (although I won't go into the Khazad-dum issue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Well, they trimmed the Isengart percussion and some sustained chords, like I said. But there are numerous occasions where there's more music. Weathertop and Amon Hen of course, but also in The Pass Of Caradhras and in the scene in which Saruman reveals the Palantir.Nothing earthshattering of course, but some added bars here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Nothing earthshattering of course, but some added bars here and there.Yes. Just two full CDs of added bars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Lemon curry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 It's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Yes. Just two full CDs of added bars...Oh, so funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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