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Definitely not, because the film was obviously massively re-edited after scoring


Jim seems to be implying that the EE could shift some scenes back to the original positions when scored.

But of course, he's being vague as usual ;)

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I don't actually have a complete list of FOTR slates but may be able to fill in a few gaps in some areas if there is any interest (7Q is the first part of The Mirror of Galadriel, fact fans). The 'cue' numbering was introduced purely to break down the score for recording purposes and make the sheer quantity of music manageable; compositionally the score consists of lengthy overarching pieces.

The concept of breaking these pieces into 'cues' disappeared almost entirely for ROTK. To give an example, 511 The Palantir covers everything from the Legolas/Aragorn night-time Edoras scene through to Gandalf leaving with Pippin.

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On 9/23/2010 at 6:32 AM, Jim Ware said:

 

On 9/10/2010 at 5:17 PM, Jim Ware said:
On 9/10/2010 at 2:52 AM, lordskylark said:

I am curious, has anyone attempted to make some sort of complete list of all known cues from all three LOTR movies that are not present in the Complete Recordings (regardless if they are alternates, properly edited, etc)? (including the theatrical edition, extended edition, from video games, original soundtracks, dvd menus & documentaries, etc?)

 

I might attempt this after listening to the 'rarities'.

 

 

I'll be making a start on this shortly!

 

 

@Jim Ware did you ever actually begin - or better yet finish - this project?

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On 5/20/2011 at 7:49 PM, Fennel Ka said:

TTT:

Samwise The Brave (9a)

 

FOTR:

The Shire [m4]

Many Meetings (m55)

Cave Troll/Mithril Vest/The Second Hall (m94, m95, m95)

Khazad-Dum (m96)

The Fighting Uruk-Hai/The River Anduin (m120)

 

BTW @Faleel: Thanks for that!

 

On 5/21/2011 at 3:26 AM, Jim Ware said:

The 'm' numbers for FOTR are from the initial spotting of the film ('Breaking the Fellowship' is M140) - these were updated before the sessions to use the reel number/letter format (for example 'Boromir' is 7N, 'A Knife in the Dark' is 4A, 'Concerning Hobbits' is 1G).

 

On 9/26/2015 at 2:12 PM, Jim Ware said:

Fellowship and Two Towers were more straightforward. Fellowship compositions were given simple 'm' numbers during spotting which were converted to reel numbers and part letters as post-production progressed (The Great River started life as m135 and became 8G).

 

On 9/29/2015 at 8:28 AM, Jim Ware said:

I don't actually have a complete list of FOTR slates but may be able to fill in a few gaps in some areas if there is any interest (7Q is the first part of The Mirror of Galadriel, fact fans). The 'cue' numbering was introduced purely to break down the score for recording purposes and make the sheer quantity of music manageable; compositionally the score consists of lengthy overarching pieces.

 

And @Jim Ware thanks for all that!

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Well, here's the complete cue list for the second half of FOTR

 

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THEATRICAL CUES

1    Bilbo's Gifts
2    The Departure of the Fellowship
3    The Ring Goes South
4    Hobbit Duel
5    Crebain Spies
6    To Caradhras
7    A Strange Fate
8    Into the Caverns
9    The Pass of Caradhras
10    The Ring-Bearer
11    The Walls of Moria
12    The Doors of Durin
13    Speak Friend and Enter
14    Into the Mines
15    The Watcher
16    A Journey in the Dark
17    Gollum
18    Fate of Many
19    Dwarrowdelf
20    Balin's Tomb
21    Orc Attack
22    The Cave Troll
23    Mithril!
24    The Second Hall
25    The Bridge of Khazad-Dum
26    The Balrog
27    Gandalf's Demise
28    Elegy for Gandalf
29    Lothlorien
30    The Realm of Galahdrim
31    Caras Galadhon
32    Fallen into Shadow
33    Gandalf's Lament
34    The Glory of Gondor
35    The Mirror of Galadriel
36    The Prophecy
37    The Test
38    The Fighting Uruk-hai
39    Farewell to Lorien
40    The River Anduin
41    Saruman's Army
42    Kings of Old
43    Where's Frodo?
44    Boromir's Betrayal
45    The Breaking of the Fellowship
46    The Battle of Amon Hen
47    Frodo's Escape
48    The Battle Rages
49    Horn of Gondor
50    Boromir's Last Stand
51    Lurtz
52    The Departure of Boromir
53    The Road Goes Ever On
54    May it Be (*)
55    The Cornfield (*)
56    In Dreams (*)
57    Goodbye Rivendell (*)
58    The Fellowship (*)

(*) Credits


EXPANDED VERSION CUES [Pickups, Inserts, Extensions]

1    Gilraen's Memorial {completely new cue}
2    Bilbo's Gifts {alt. w. extension}
3    The Departure of the Fellowship {expanded version}
4    The Ring Goes South ALT {alt version, no extension)
5    Hobbit Duel {alt. w. extension}
6    Evil Outside & Within {completely new cue}
7    The Walls of Moria {expanded version}
8    The Doors of Durin {alt. w. extension}
9    A Journey in the Dark {ext. insert}
10    Gollum {ext. insert}
11    Lothlorien {alt. take}
12    The Realm of Galahdrim {alt w. extension + new cue}
13    Caras Galadhon {alt. w. extensions}
14    Fallen into Shadow {extended version}
15    Gandalf's Lament (drone overdub)
16    Gandalf's Lament {additional choral music}
17    Elvish Provisions {completely new cue}
18    Celeborn's Warning {completely new cue}
19    The Gift Giving {completely new cue}
20    Farewell to Lorien {extended version}
21    The Night Camp {completely new cue}
22    Kings of Old (overdub)
23    The Battle Rages {alt. w. extension}
24    Horn of Gondor {ext. alt. w. choral dubs}
25    Lurtz {ext. insert}

Source: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/013609-5.html

 

Interesting to note that apparently there could be a shorter version of "The Departure Of The Fellowship" from when the scene was still in the Theatrical Cut, if the list is accurate. The film AND OST jump directly from "Bilbo's Gifts" to "The Ring Goes South", and it sounds perfectly natural to me, so I assume the list is wrong in that one spot, though.

 

Also @Faleel reported that cue 23 on this list is "Mithril Vest", not "Mithril!"... but I've seen plenty of times before when the sheet music title doesn't match the recording log title.

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