Quintus 5,399 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Another victim of the UK's draconian internet porn censorship, in Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Due to a copyright claim by "Medusa film S.p.a and RTi Sp.A? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It probably got flagged as snake porn by the British government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Grrrr.....Two Elves, One Adder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 "Give me that big black adder and send me to seventh Valinor, baby." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 "The Ring must be destroyed!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Strange, it was available yesterday.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 That's because yesterday, you were still living in a democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Strange thing about the Cinemasins Two Towers video being blocked, and now Return of the King as well: The Cinemasins Fellowship video is still available, though. But for how long, I wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Strange thing about the Cinemasins Two Towers video being blocked, and now Return of the King as well:It's clearly the work of PJ fanboys who don't want people to critizice their precious films! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The searching claws of gkgyver know no bounds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 So Horner talks about how he rejected the offer to score The Lord of the Rings.Surprisingly, he is praising Shore. Briefly and somewhat mildly... but still.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Yeah. It seems like he has a certain respect for Shore (even when their styles differ so radically), which is not something you see often from Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 He's getting old and soft!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 He's just being hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Well as shocked as i was in the early times for shore's election (who was he?) I can't think of middle earth having other musical voice now.And frankly, if horner had been the composer he would have done another three average scores. He would have got the oscar(s) anyway though, that came with the success of the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I'm still wondering what Kilar would have done. Although, he wouldn't tolerate Jackson's antics.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Kilar would have been a more no-nonsense kind of guy, and probably would have quit halfway through rather than deal with PJ's crap.But I take it that it would have had a similar modal, Polish spiritualist sound that Shore's own work had in parts, but in a far more introverted way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I thought they said Shore was always their first choice.Far from it. There were at least two or three composers that were considered before they decided to pick Shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Kilar himself mentioned it in a couple of Polish interviews. And that was way back in 1999.Richard Kraft campaigned to have Basil Poledouris score the film.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Kilar and Horner were the top candidates. Poledouris was in the mix somewhere, and at one point I believe even Elfman's name popped up.Shore was a bit out-of-the blue, that just came from some temp-track observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 They should have picked Horner. He's been working on his Mordor theme for decades, poor sod! Karol ChrisAfonso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,219 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 ...at one point I believe even Elfman's name popped up. Now I can't shake off the image of Black Riders galloping to the Beetlejuice theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Or Remains of the Day. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Well, Elfman did work with Jackson on The Frighteners just before Jackson started on LotR. That's probably where that rumour came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Well, Elfman did work with Jackson on The Frighteners just before Jackson started on LotR. That's probably where that rumour came from.Now imagine if Elfman got to score LotR. How many celestas and women's choirs could he have crammed into those films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,219 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Or Remains of the Day. Even better! Took me ten minutes to work out you weren't talking about the Merchant / Ivory film... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 So Horner talks about how he rejected the offer to score The Lord of the Rings.Surprisingly, he is praising Shore. Briefly and somewhat mildly... but still.KarolWow. Horner is going soft. Praising Shore (and yes for a very good reason). I guess he didn't want angry mail from devoted ClassicFM LotR fans. Kilar himself mentioned it in a couple of Polish interviews. And that was way back in 1999.Richard Kraft campaigned to have Basil Poledouris score the film.KarolAs I have but passing acquaintance with Kilar's music I can't say much one way or the other but if Portrait of a Lady, Bram Stoker's Dracula and The Ninth Gate are any indication there would have been some serious minimalism in the music. Kilar seemed to be very interested in these repetitions, which at times feel quite unnecessary. But again who knows what the films would have gotten out of him.And Kraft did indeed campaign for Poledouris. This is mentioned e.g. in the Tribute to Basil Poledouris DVD interviews with Kraft.I do remember how the first Hobbit trailers used Horner's Braveheart a lot and no doubt he would have created a very different score, certainly with more streamlined approach. Shore's huge leitmotivic glossary and its application was a huge challenge that only a few might have attempted. Certainly PJ and the film makers would have had their own notions about the music the same way they communicated them to Shore but I think Horner might have easily fallen into his own private traps while scoring the trilogy (to paraphrase Norman Bates). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Horner's main themes would have been lush, and his action music would have trumped Shore's, but then again we wouldn't have the untouchably Tolkien Nature theme nor the perfectly toned Rohirrim melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Anything from Braveheart or Willow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Oh Horner's themes are always lush (even to the detriment of the film they underscore). I have been listening to his music a lot the past few days and his music is about as old Hollywoodian as it gets (in a good way I mean).His action music is a bit hit and miss really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 But he's still more of an action composer then Shore ever was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Horner would have done a fine work but I'm not so sure he woyld go in drastically different direction.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 He would not have taken the OCD leitmotif approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 That much is certain.But he would have gone with Celtic colours for hobbits. We all know he would.And we know his Sauron theme. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Horner's LOTR = Willow 2.0 Elora Danan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,713 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 But he's still more of an action composer then Shore ever was!Undoubtedly if you go the normal Hollywood route with the action scoring. Shore's work on LotR is better for going its own way I think. I could not quite imagine Horner type of action music for LotR unless it would be in the vein of something like Braveheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Horner's main themes would have been lush, and his action music would have trumped Shore's, but then again we wouldn't have the untouchably Tolkien Nature theme nor the perfectly toned Rohirrim melody.Do you have any examples of lush Horner themes, do they surpass things like the Shire theme? I think the only theme I know from him is the Titanic credit song, and that little motif he always uses.Cocoon blows Shore's Shire away IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 No, that would be Horner's The Hobbit.Well, we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I agree, it's a fine theme, but far from the best his Middle-earth scores have to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 How iconic is the Shire theme? If there is any LOTR theme that comes even close to being iconic then it's the Fellowship Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Shore certainly not a tune smith like Williams or Goldsmith or Horner but he distilled every tuneful thought he has in his body into these 6 scores. And they work brilliantly in and out of context for the most part. Much of his other work is fairly low keyed melodically in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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