Barnald 365 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: SUH probably had a heart attack. Someone should call an ambulance. Best not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Oh wow! First Brexit, now this. I'm a real force for change! Hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Merseyside's Winston Churchill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Follow Gandalf's Journey in These Stunning New Lord of the Rings Posters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 The Balrog should not have wings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yeah anatomically inaccurate! Epic failure! Those wings should be ambiguous shadow spreading around the monster! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 PJ's comedy creature is an insult to the TRUE Tolkien fans! The wings aren't even anatomically correct. Far too small to ever carry the Balrog in flight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Cool paintings. True fact: The Balrog had wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 11 hours ago, Nick1066 said: Cool paintings. True fact: The Balrog had wings. That's an alternate fact right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Tolkiens writings taken too literally! These are metaphorical wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Just like Gandalf didn't have a hat! It was a metaphorical hat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 There wasn't a ring either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Come to think of it, was there even a novel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 A metaphorical one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Incanus said: That's an alternate fact right there! What's your problem with alternative facts? I suppose you don't like alternative lifestyles either. Bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Nick1066 said: What's your problem with alternative facts? I suppose you don't like alternative lifestyles either. Bigot. I am a defender of Tolkien orthodoxy! There is no room for alternative facts in Middle-earth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 44 minutes ago, Incanus said: I am a defender Tolkien orthodoxy! There is no room for alternative facts in Middle-earth! WingedBalrogaphobe! Bakshi AND Jackson's Balrog BOTH have wings! Do you know more than them?! Let me guess...next you're going to say this scene isn't in the book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 It's not even a scene. It's two different scenes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 22 hours ago, Stefancos said: It's not even a scene. It's two different scenes! It's the same scene from two different movies based on the same book that doesn't feature either scene that's the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Wasn't Baskhi's Balrog better and more imposing than PJ's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 42 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Wasn't Baskhi's Balrog better and more imposing than PJ's? What? The winged lion, better? Are you drunk again, Stiff? 50 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: It's the same scene from two different movies based on the same book that doesn't feature either scene that's the same! Blame John Howe, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Bakshi even pre-dates Howe's painting (which clearly depicts the scene from Jackson's film). That scene from the Bakshi film somehow became pretty iconic, because it's not in the book though a lot of people swear it is...and its made its way into a lot of artwork, and of course Jackson's movie, since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 God, i read the book 10 times and I could swear it was in there. You sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Well the copyright on the Howe painting is 2002? Perhaps Howe painted it as part of the pre-production on the film and Jackson used that to frame his shot. But in any event, it's clearly based on Bakshi's scene...and we know Jackson saw that film (he also composed the shot for "Proudfeet!" based on Bakshi's composition of the shot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 http://www.dorkly.com/post/76306/lord-of-the-rings-details Quote Contrary to what the watermark tells us, this was actually painted in the 80s. Artist John Howe explains on his website that he saw the animated movie and loved that scene so much he remade it in his own style. This very painting appeared a couple years later on a Tolkien calendar, and seeing that is what inspired Peter Jackson and his team to create the scene for the film. In a roundabout way, the live-action film was inspired by the animated movie, even if nobody realized it at the time. 1987 is the year. 2002 is probably the year he uploaded the pic on his website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Makes sense. Either way, the scene started w/Bakshi. There are actually several such Bakshi inspired scenes that made it into FOTR...though not so much in the other films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Proudfeet! Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 40 minutes ago, Stefancos said: God, i read the book 10 times and I could swear it was in there. You sure? Pretty sure. But then again, I swear I saw the missed grappling hook throw, so who knows. 19 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Proudfeet! Yeah. Not to mention the Ringwraits attacking the Hobbits empty beds in Bree...again, in Bakshi's film, and later Jacksons, but not in the book. Well maybe Stef's copy, but no one else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Alvar is right. There is a scene in the book where they hide from the Black Rider. So it is in the book! Though PJ obviously homaged the Bashki film visually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Nah. It's in a different context in the book, in a different place. And there's no tree. I mean, sure they hide from a black rider. There's lots of hiding from the black riders in those books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 The section of the novel between "Keep it secret, keep it safe" and arriving at Bree has always been problematic for writers adapting the story for time-constrained media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Bombadil for the win! I want my Barrow-wights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Don't forget it takes like 3 or 4 chapters after Gandalf's epic exposition dump just to get to Bombadil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Bombadil is what the LOTR is all about. Neither Jackson nor Bakshi got that. Bombadil, Prince Imrahil and the Scouring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Actually if you read Tolkien's letters to his publisher (not to mention just reading the book) it's pretty clear that Bombadil really has no part in the story. He was put in there before Tolkien really knew what LOTR was going to be ("the tale grew in the telling") and he liked the character. It's an interesting interlude, and adds to the texture of the book certainly (as do many thing that didn't make it into the films) but in terms of the kind of narrative storytelling necessary for a movie, he's easily excised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 We were being fatuous. Tolkien himself didn't really know what to make of Bombadil as his narrative grew near to what LOTR would become. Yet he was loath to remove him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I know. But you'd be surprised at the anger and disappointment among some Tolkien lovers at the exclusion of Bombadil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 He was never a true Midde-Earth fan anyway, that Tolkien fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Yeah he was always more of a Valinor fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 10 hours ago, Stefancos said: We were being fatuous. Tolkien himself didn't really know what to make of Bombadil as his narrative grew near to what LOTR would become. Yet he was loath to remove him. It is interesting how towards the end of the novel Tolkien really compresses the narrative compared to its lingering leisurely pace at the start where something like a long strange encounter with Bombadil with intricate descriptions of Old Forest, Whitywindle and Bombadil's house etc. take quite a bit of space. Indeed a story that grew in telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Quite a poorly edited book then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr. Breathmask said: Quite a poorly edited book then. And look how it turned out. Such a disgrace! But as the publisher Rayner Unwin said, no one edited Tolkien, least of all when the language itself was concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 Looky what I found! https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL9288EB003E9F2D52¶ms=OAFIAVgI&v=ppuZlLGXJQo&mode=NORMAL By Ear Mockup time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I think it was best that Bombadil was cut from the live-action films. He's kind of like the Jar Jar Binks of Middle Earth. Just a lot less annoying and more enigmatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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