Faleel 5,346 Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 Doug Adams interview episode: https://www.soundtrackpodcast.com/podcasts/middle-earth-music-an-interview-with-author-doug-adams.htm Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 Arpy, gkgyver and Fabulin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 Oh my god Fabulin, Evanus and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Why? Why?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 What, you said you want more? Fabulin and Evanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 On 4/5/2020 at 6:38 AM, gkgyver said: Oh my god Can't wait for Gandalf's Farewells EPIC VERSION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Finally, someone fixed these scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 12:12 AM, Chen G. said: I don't care what any pseudo intellectuals say, Lord of the Rings has the best employment of chorus in the history of film. Kühni, Chen G. and Faleel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Oh yes, Shore is really gifted in terms of writing for voices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 It's not just that. It's the most organic sounding choral music I've heard outside the classical realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Organic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Thanks for the recommendation Chen, the other parts in the series are really good too! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Outside the classical realm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 That's what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 On 4/4/2020 at 10:38 PM, gkgyver said: Oh my god This is awesomeful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 7:56 PM, Jurassic Shark said: Organic? Yes, organic. As in creating a musical equivalent to skillfully crafted poetry, as opposed to creating the musical equivalent of merely functional instruction manual language. 11 hours ago, Pellaeon said: Outside the classical realm? Outside the realm of music that was created for its own sake. There are choral pieces in opera and such that reach an even more transcendental level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, gkgyver said: There are choral pieces in opera and such that reach an even more transcendental level. Does anything in the following sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Sounds a bit like Wagner's Grail saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 hours ago, gkgyver said: Outside the realm of music that was created for its own sake. There are choral pieces in opera and such that reach an even more transcendental level. Easily. And Russian Church Singing tops it all, to me. Kühni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 4/5/2020 at 12:39 AM, Chen G. said: Why? Why?! Also, this: 8 hours ago, Pellaeon said: Easily. And Russian Church Singing tops it all, to me. Having sung in two lay Russian choirs (and one Ukrainian one), I confirm and second this. Here are seven not-so-random pieces that I have repeatedly touted among my all-time most favourite pieces of music (the last one of which I have actually sung the solo in concert): This one I couldn't find on Youtube: "In Thy Kingdom" (Dimitrij Bortnyansky): https://vocaroo.com/enZvtOVTati Pellaeon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Did anybody notice that Shore's shire theme melody/melodies are based on the Fibonacci sequence? 1 2 3 5 8 13 C D E G C A or C D E G A C The 1 2 3 5 13(6), minor and major, plays a major part in his scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 ...and in most other compositions by any composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 This has probably been asked before, but since I could only find ambiguous breakdowns: Does anyone have a comprehensive, simple list of LOTR OST track titles that contain material not present on the CRs? I don't need to know what material, just the track names alone would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: This has probably been asked before, but since I could only find ambiguous breakdowns: Does anyone have a comprehensive, simple list of LOTR OST track titles that contain material not present on the CRs? I don't need to know what material, just the track names alone would be great. FOTR - every track except A Journey in the Dark and The Bridge of Khazadhum TTT - The Passage of the Marshes, The King of the Golden Hall, The White Rider, The Forbidden Pool, Forth Eorlingas ROTK - A Storm is Coming, Hope and Memory, The White Tree, Twilight and Shadow, Cirith Ungol, Anduril, Hope Fails, The End of All Things, Into the West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 The CRs should really be renamed The Incomplete Recordings. bollemanneke and gkgyver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 2:13 PM, Jurassic Shark said: The CRs should really be renamed The Incomplete Recordings. They're fine if that's what they wanted to go for, the main body of the scores as a single presentation. What's a tragic case is the rarities archive CD, which is one of the most staggering missed opportunities I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 10 hours ago, gkgyver said: What's a tragic case is the rarities archive CD, which is one of the most staggering missed opportunities I can remember. I would argue that was always going to be the case. Wasn't there talk back in 2008/09/10 about multiple CDs, then a DVD? And the cue selection was never going to be an objective, or else complete-ish, one. "We" wanted (even more now, in retrospect) the RA to fill the gaps from the three scores rather than, I would suspect, the demo and synth versions of early cues. Howard Shore and Doug had a slightly different focus, and that's fine, too (with the sole exception of the alternate "The Breaking of the Fellowship", of course...I made it QUITE CLEAR over Guinness that Doug ought to use every ounce of his persuasive strength to have it included). The completely alternate versions of early stuff that made it to the recording stage are great. But even an 9-minute gem like "Sammath Naur" has chunks of music that were now on CD for the third time. And I would have gladly listened to Howard and Doug analyse the music for another hour. So....Rarities 2, anybody? Again, I'm not going to let the 0.5% that are less than perfectly represented sully the 99.5% of this music that are! But I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment and remain vexed about it. Yes, VEXED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 I’m more than happy with what we have, but every now and again I do think it could have been good if, between the Two Towers and Return of the King CRs, we would have another CR made up of alternates. But again, between the OST, Rarities, fan-credits and CRs I’m more than happy. Even if the OST didn’t contain alternates, it would still be worth owning alongside the CR for those cases where one wants a more concentrated listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Question: it's been a while, what's the drum ensemble Shore used in The Battle Of Pelennor Fields? I mean all of them. What are they called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 What, Taiko drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I mean the drum orchestration particularly 3:13 onwards and 5:34 onwards in Siege Of Gondor. Taikos, yes, but there's more. It's hard to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 hours ago, gkgyver said: I mean the drum orchestration particularly 3:13 onwards and 5:34 onwards in Siege Of Gondor. Taikos, yes, but there's more. It's hard to hear. The passage you're referring to has four side drums* and timpani. No taiko. *The term "side drum" can direct percussions toward a number of different instruments. It's a sort of fuzzy term that requires a knowledge of a composer's intentions. Shore's concept is of a deep drum -- a field drum -- with no snares. That last bit throws a lot of orchestras off. I've seen Howard ask percussionists to please the snares off, I've seen Ludwig Wicki ask it, and I've asked it. Howard and Ludwig tend to be nicer about it than I am. But I'm usually the most jet-lagged of the three of us. gkgyver and Chen G. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Right now I'm torn between the two versions of this particular segment: one included on the OST and the theatrical edition of the film, the other is on the CR. 1:07 Notice the trumpet line that is removed in the CR. I love both renditions where one sounds slightly more foreboding, and the other more regal just with the inclusion/exclusion of that one instrument. @6:34 This whole track is probably one of my favourites from the trilogy, there's a lot of yearning and mystery, especially around 4:54ish when this solemn theme enters and it really captures the feelings of the Fellowship at that moment in the film before they're broken apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 The trumpet line in The Great River is a good example of Howard Shore recording multiple variants to give the filmmakers options in the final mix. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 21 hours ago, Doug Adams said: The passage you're referring to has four side drums* and timpani. No taiko. *The term "side drum" can direct percussions toward a number of different instruments. It's a sort of fuzzy term that requires a knowledge of a composer's intentions. Shore's concept is of a deep drum -- a field drum -- with no snares. That last bit throws a lot of orchestras off. I've seen Howard ask percussionists to please the snares off, I've seen Ludwig Wicki ask it, and I've asked it. Howard and Ludwig tend to be nicer about it than I am. But I'm usually the most jet-lagged of the three of us. I'm surprised professional percussionists wouldn't know about that use. Are we talking about the "standard" 14" or 16" field drums, or those explicit bass field drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 hours ago, gkgyver said: I'm surprised professional percussionists wouldn't know about that use. Are we talking about the "standard" 14" or 16" field drums, or those explicit bass field drums? It's not that they don't know of the use of that term, but many aren't familiar with the Rings scores per se, so they have to guess at what's being called for. Fortunately, as performances circulate more and more, these scores are becoming part of the modern repertoire, and so percussionists are better prepared. Size is left to the performers. It's not specified. But I've never seen drums larger than 16 inches being used, I don't think. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I finally gave in and spliced the OST beginning of Pelennor onto the CRs version. I think it's one of, like, four instances out of 12,000 tracks where I had to do this, but I ever so slightly prefer the fade-in of the drums as heard on the OST to the somewhat-abrupt start of the CR... ...and for some reason, I now have an image of Nazgûl!Doug standing behind the percussionist, being like: "Take the sssnaresss off. Now! Or I'll have my Fell Beast over there take your head off." Followed (or not) by a Nazgûl wail. And Éowyn on (Old) English Horn standing up etc. What I mean to say...Doug and not being nice about anything is a leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, Kühni said: I finally gave in and spliced the OST beginning of Pelennor onto the CRs version. I think it's one of, like, four instances out of 12,000 tracks where I had to do this, but I ever so slightly prefer the fade-in of the drums as heard on the OST to the somewhat-abrupt start of the CR... ...and for some reason, I now have an image of Nazgûl!Doug standing behind the percussionist, being like: "Take the sssnaresss off. Now! Or I'll have my Fell Beast over there take your head off." Followed (or not) by a Nazgûl wail. And Éowyn on (Old) English Horn standing up etc. What I mean to say...Doug and not being nice about anything is a leap. My midwestern guilt makes me feel like I'm being meaner than I probably am. At least I hope that's the case. I once attended an orchestra's first rehearsal where they decided to start with the Shire music. About 5 seconds after their first note, I started hollering: "Stop, stop, stop! Basses are supposed to be half pizz. half arco, not all arco!" The conductor (not Ludwig) responded, "I checked the recording and didn't hear that." I told him to go check again. Somebody dubbed me the Niles Crane of film music for the remainder of that week. I don't think they meant it flatteringly. PS: The basses changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Bazzgûl!Doug as well, I see... (I clearly should not be posting during insomnia...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 It's probably geeky as all hell that I know about the bass section in the Shire music. I devoured every sheet music I could get my grubby hands on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I so desperately wonder how Shore's music for Valinor or Gondolin would sound like. Extension of Rivendell's sound? Extension of Lorien's sound? Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I'd love to hear more Grey Havens-style music for the Teleri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Variations on ethereal choir, I should expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 hours ago, gkgyver said: I so desperately wonder how Shore's music for Valinor or Gondolin would sound like. Extension of Rivendell's sound? Extension of Lorien's sound? You could say the Grey Havens theme relates to Valinor. On the other hand, Amazon could use it as a theme for Lindon all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Not just etheral voices. Shore isn't lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Who said anything about being lazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 3:39 AM, gkgyver said: I so desperately wonder how Shore's music for Valinor or Gondolin would sound like. Extension of Rivendell's sound? Extension of Lorien's sound? Don't we have a glimpse of that? As per Doug's Annotated Score: "10 – THE PASSING OF THÉODEN The Army of the Dead pours over the walls of Minas Tirith, overwhelming the simple-minded Orcs with fear and destroying them. But no victorious music emerges. Cor anglais sorrows over minor-moded strings. King Théoden lies dying upon the Pelennor. Éowyn crawls to his side and he looks upon her smile one last time. Chorus somberly intones “Death of a King” in Old English, but this is not the music of Men. This is music of the next world, tones one step closer to the music of Valinor. The World of Men fades away. With a final remembrance, French horn recites the Rohan Fanfare. King Théoden, son of Thengel, passes." @Quintus wouldn't be too far off the mark if we take this as an example... Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Kühni said: tones one step closer to the music of Valinor. I suppose by that, musically, he means towards the Grey Havens material. Someone like the Amazon showrunners could be literal-minded and take that theme for a Lindon theme, but it really speaks to the Grey Havens not so much as a place, but as a passage to Valinor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 VALIIIIIIIIMAAAAAAAAR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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