SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I wouldn't call tracking an alternate. An alternate to me is a piece of music written by the composer.It sounds literally as if they just kept the temp track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,341 Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Hi everyone, I have a dumb qrequest and I figured this would be the best place to pose it - does anybody have the three PDF files that were freely available when the CRs were released? And if so, could you fwd them to mstrox at gmail? I know most, if not all, of the material is posed in the book, but I am hoping to have these for archival reasons, as I'm currently going through the scores, along with the book, and really exploring all of the themes for the first time.As mentioned, I do have Doug's book and all of the CRs - so I'm not looking to steal any info or anything.Thanks for anyone's help. I don't contribute here often anymore, but I lurk almost every day mainly to see what you are all up to in the LOTR and Hobbit threads.EDIT- Thanks Incanus, that was fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 The Annotated Scores PDFs do have some discussion that is missing from the finished book, namely on the changes made to the score and alternate music found on the OST albums. The book treats the scores much more like complete entity with very little references to the process of scoring and all the details it entails, inculding rescoring or changes. The In the Making boxes found in the PDFs are entirely absent as is the information they contained, which must have been done to avoid a fragmentary jumpy presentation of the information in the middle of a musical narrative. On the other hand the track-by-track analysis in the Annotated Score PDFs is truncated compared to the finished versions found in the book, which of course was very intentional to save some exclusive content for the book. So both complement each other nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Speaking of ghosts of the past, I just grabbed the old Music From The Movies LotR issue, and I wonder if the alternate Twilight and Shadow ever made it past the mockup/compositional stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,341 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 Could it have been Gwenwin In In (sp?)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Nope, it's a different melody for Renee Fleming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,341 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 Could you post what the issue says?Because we have:Gwenwin In InArwen's SongTwilight and Shadow OST version: (intro is edited out of film/CR version and the string statement of the Evenstar Melody is longer)Twilight and Shadow CR version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The issue itself doesn't say anything in the interview with Shore about the piece, but the issue shows many sheet music excerpts, parts for chorus, for orchestra, the whole score and so on. One of them is a sheet for Renée Fleming, titled "rotk 1005 1021, Twilight and Shadow". In the above right corner it readsHoward Shorewords: Philippa BoyensThe Evening Star (Sindarin)Above the stave, above the tempo mark, it says "CD TRACK #1".The sheet shows the part for Fleming, as well as the choral accompaniment. And even though the progression is very similar to the OST track, the melody takes different turns and has a more direct quote of the Evenstar theme. I did a quick mockup (the oboe is the Fleming parts, obviously): Alex Shore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Nope.If you want to know which OST tracks contain music that doesn't appear in the CRs, you should check Jim Ware's breakdowns:FOTR OST/CR BreakdownTTT OST/CR BreakdownROTK OST/CR Breakdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Could you post what the issue says?Because we have:Gwenwin In InArwen's SongTwilight and Shadow OST version: (intro is edited out of film/CR version and the string statement of the Evenstar Melody is longer)Twilight and Shadow CR versionThe 'live to projection' version of Twilight and Shadow includes unique material that is not present in any other version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Can't wait to hear it this Sunday! What else should I look out for?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Could you post what the issue says?Because we have:Gwenwin In InArwen's SongTwilight and Shadow OST version: (intro is edited out of film/CR version and the string statement of the Evenstar Melody is longer)Twilight and Shadow CR versionThe 'live to projection' version of Twilight and Shadow includes unique material that is not present in any other version.Are there any other changes the the live-to-projection movies? When I went to see FOTR at Wolf Trap in September, there were a few moments that sounded unfamiliar, but it may have just been a different sound, or because I haven't watched the theatrical version in many years.I'm pretty sure in the scene with Gandalf and the mop, the orchestra didn't drop out from under the soloist in the live version - just kept drumming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 What mop? mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Could you post what the issue says?Because we have:Gwenwin In InArwen's SongTwilight and Shadow OST version: (intro is edited out of film/CR version and the string statement of the Evenstar Melody is longer)Twilight and Shadow CR versionThe 'live to projection' version of Twilight and Shadow includes unique material that is not present in any other version.Are there any other changes the the live-to-projection movies? When I went to see FOTR at Wolf Trap in September, there were a few moments that sounded unfamiliar, but it may have just been a different sound, or because I haven't watched the theatrical version in many years.I'm pretty sure in the scene with Gandalf and the mop, the orchestra didn't drop out from under the soloist in the live version - just kept drumming.There were quite a few in The Two Towers. All those howling sound effects for the ring were dropped in favour of Shore's music and the Gandalf resurrection also had music. And also, at the very beginning of the film, when Gandalf and Balrog fall this great choral outburst is back and as heard on the albums. Bits and pieces like that.I'm sure Jim has a complete breakdown of all this somewhere. That's why I'm asking him as well.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 What mop?The mop that flies away to get the eagles, of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I'm sure Jim has a complete breakdown of all this somewhere. That's why I'm asking him as well.http://www.metronomical.co.uk/fotr_live_notes.pdfhttp://www.metronomical.co.uk/ttt_live_notes.pdfI am searching my archive for ROTK. Off the top of my head -Smeagol/Deagol fightGollum transformation prologueMost stuff that was dialled out except the Pippin/Gandalf balcony conversationSome extra chorus in placesShelob stalking FrodonContrapuntal arrangement of ring themes at Mount Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Thanks. It definitely shows how much of a treat these performances are for someone who actually knows these scores well.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I really wish the second and third installments of the trilogy were performed here in Finland. The FotR performance was fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 As has been said before, in The Return of the King, you get to hear some bits and pieces that were written but never recorded.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 It's not all new music. Some is on the CR's, PJ just removed it from certain scenes.I saw the first and second films done at Radio City over the past 4 years. Stunning. Return of the King has been conspicuously absent since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I'm sure Jim has a complete breakdownReally? Has he been working too hard? Family issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 [whisper]I heard the bitch dumped him...[/whisper] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 This thread is worryingly close to reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 It's not all new music. Some is on the CR's, PJ just removed it from certain scenes.I saw the first and second films done at Radio City over the past 4 years. Stunning. Return of the King has been conspicuously absent since.I was at those concerts too! (they are where I met Doug Adams, Jim Ware, and John Takis in fact). Both were amazing concerts and I am so bummed ROTK is seemingly never happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 On 10/25/2013 at 8:32 PM, Jason LeBlanc said: On 10/25/2013 at 2:07 PM, TheGreyPilgrim said: It's not all new music. Some is on the CR's, PJ just removed it from certain scenes. I saw the first and second films done at Radio City over the past 4 years. Stunning. Return of the King has been conspicuously absent since. I was at those concerts too! (they are where I met Doug Adams, Jim Ware, and John Takis in fact). Both were amazing concerts and I am so bummed ROTK is seemingly never happening. It's a real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 The Fellowship concert was in 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Makes you wonder what is the problem. I mean RotK Live would certainly be a success. Perhaps it is scheduling problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 It is frustrating. By the time it should have happened, I had a sizable group of family and friends attending those concerts and really digging them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Makes you wonder what is the problem. I mean RotK Live would certainly be a success. Perhaps it is scheduling problems?I don't know how successful it was. When I was there, I still got tickets (good seats) on the night of performance, and I remember it not being sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Makes you wonder what is the problem. I mean RotK Live would certainly be a success. Perhaps it is scheduling problems?I don't know how successful it was. When I was there, I still got tickets (good seats) on the night of performance, and I remember it not being sold out.Then people are boorish louts who do not understand good music even if it walked right into them and said "Hello I am good music"! And I don't think the ticket prices are too high either, especially when you consider the cost of a single ticket to a normal pop concert. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I'm sure Jim has a complete breakdown of all this somewhere. That's why I'm asking him as well.http://www.metronomical.co.uk/fotr_live_notes.pdfhttp://www.metronomical.co.uk/ttt_live_notes.pdfI am searching my archive for ROTK. And here we are -http://www.metronomical.plus.com/rotk_live_notes.pdf crocodile and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Your notes are excellent Jim! Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Thanks! Looking forward to going through those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,341 Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 Hey Jim Ware, are the brass overlays that are present in the OST version of "The Battle of the Pelennor Fields" (but not in the CR) present in the Live version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I'm sure Jim has a complete breakdown of all this somewhere. That's why I'm asking him as well.http://www.metronomical.co.uk/fotr_live_notes.pdfhttp://www.metronomical.co.uk/ttt_live_notes.pdfI am searching my archive for ROTK. And here we are -http://www.metronomical.plus.com/rotk_live_notes.pdfOh thank you so much, I'll keep it for my record. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Few more attempts you'll be doing this job next year in Wellington Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Yes, I hope you've acquired more economy of motion in your conducting if you want to be accepted by me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Since I am new to this board, but not new at all to the LotR discussion, I should probably establish my credentials, eh?http://tinypic.com/r/e6zs4w/5http://tinypic.com/r/2aan6ah/5http://tinypic.com/r/29w0pz5/5Yeah, I'm that kind of fan! (These videos are over six years old...I have since improved my conducting skills! I still crack up watching myself...) KK, GK, Jim Ware and Incanus can also vouch for me, should they so choose. I once had Guinness with Doug Adams in Illinois and we remained on speaking terms thereafter.I'm also German, so everything is my fault, not Conrad Pope's.Carry on!Thursday night, I felt compelled to conduct the first two discs of Two Towers ... again.Amazing how short two hours can feel with a stick in your hand.Eh ,,, wait Incanus and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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