Jay 37,350 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Hmmm, weird. If it was tracked, it'd be weird to take that one out and not all the other tracked bits. If its original, it'd be kind of weird to remove an entire theme statement, especially since the other trims and tucks done were mostly for repetitive bars and not unique music. Interesting. Find the untouched cue in a game somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 BTW the low male choir from Saruman the White is in the film, so its probably just mixed way low on the CR.Also, the music in "The Pass of Caradhras" for the EE line "We cannot stay here! this will be the death of the Hobbits!" is looped/tracked from earlier in the cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,350 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Did you find the low male choir version in a game somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Nah, I first noticed it in "Cameras in Middle Earth" when Chris Lee is talking about having to do multiple takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The wordless male chorus is present in the 'Live to Projection' concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Just noticed something interesting:0:19 and 1:51 of Strider are the exact same music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 You realised this just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 I always figured it was a similar figure, I did not think that it was tracked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 On 11/21/2013 at 5:53 PM, gkgyver said: You realised this just now? Well, its not like we have a breakdown of all the FOTR CR cues that re microedited/tracked/missing music. BTW, is the music in The Great Eye at 1:27, when Gimli breaks his staff tracked (from The Caverns of Isengard or A Shortcut to Mushrooms and A Conspiracy Unmasked), pitch shifted, and slowed down? It was interesting, how in one of the FSM print articles, it was PJ that suggested the Rarities, and championed for including everything on the CR's (even if there is stuff missing still.) Sad that we did not get that "first take of the Fellowship theme we did" though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share Posted November 24, 2013 MORE MYSTERIES!I just found bit of unreleased brassy Descending Third in the Middle-Earth Atlas:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cixAUFJfllM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I believe this could be an alternate for Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe, for the shot of Gandalf arriving at Minas Tirith. Or an alternate/expanded bit from The Black Rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I believe this could be an alternate for Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe, for the shot of Gandalf arriving at Minas Tirith. Or an alternate/expanded bit from The Black Rider.Yes the Mordor Skip-Beat snippet at the end points to that direction in my opinion as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Someone ask the horse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I think this is a snippet of the original (more subdued) version of The Black Rider that was microedited out of the track on the OST. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 Gosh I got goosebumps... The version on the CR already killed me, but this version (with the extra hardanger) brought me back to life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 This version (at least as recorded) is missing the overwhelming bass drum hits at the beginning of Nature's Reclamation and as such, not much tingling of my spine has occurred.I agree. It really needs that weight behind it. The additional hardanger passage was interesting but not really something I would consider absolutely essential. A nice accent. Still that is one heck of a scene. One of my favourite from the novel. Shore sure treated in the best possible way I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 aged CGI though, it's horrible when horses are killed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 They are. The CG horses are well mixed in with the real ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 I agree. It really needs that weight behind it. I am sure that it sounded fine live, its the camera that is the problem.and the NR portion was never my spine tingly moment anyways.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 . SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 I just love those brass fanfares, as you can see the fear spread through the Orcs....Since I had nothing to do, I thought I would mockup some of the Live To Projection music:Prologue: On Ring to Rule Them All (Restored choir from 2:00 to 2:22)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Ym9BcjZlME1Tc1k/edit?usp=sharingTheoden's Decision (Nature's Reclamation Choir, Mockup, Approximate)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9aEtYY0pYU1hkTHc/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I just love those brass fanfares, as you can see the fear spread through the Orcs....Since I had nothing to do, I thought I would mockup some of the Live To Projection music:Prologue: On Ring to Rule Them All (Restored choir from 2:00 to 2:22)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Ym9BcjZlME1Tc1k/edit?usp=sharingIf they had included this choral version on the CR (or Rarities), it would have become my most favourite single track of all time!Well it already is mine. The Prologue solidified my fandom of Shore's LotR the first time I heard it in the theater. The choral passage is a nice one I admit but again I am quite happy with the one we have on CD. Makes me wonder was this choral version ever recorded in the sessions back in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 I believe so. you can hear a slice of it in the TT game cutscenes. (BTW just some minutae, the version above is slightly longer than the Live To Projection, because that bit is microedited in the film and CR.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I think I actually prefer the brass there (from the original) first since the choir follows suit almost immediately anyways. And yes, that track has already secured its place as one of my favourites. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 I like the additional brass as Gandalf is being led through the Minas Tirith Archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 I just found some really cool unreleased minutiae in the Use Well The Days documentary.Hint: the bits of music I found are from The Black Gate Opens, The Fellowship Reunited, and Frodo's Song V2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 Just found some unreleased music from A Conspiracy Unmasked in the LOTR The Third Age game, its the Threat of Mordor underneath Gandalf talking about the ring at the tea-table.Now I have found the ending of the theatrical version of The Last Debate. (Evil History Hybrid?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,350 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Just found some unreleased music from A Conspiracy Unmasked in the LOTR The Third Age game, its the Threat of Mordor underneath Gandalf talking about the ring at the tea-table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 I also found the short bit of music microedited from the CR for Gandalf reading the account of Isildur, so with these two bits, almost everything in the EE version of the film should be "out there" in one way or another. Kühni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,350 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Awesome, you're the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I smell a new edit coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Can you smell what Faleel is cooking? Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoreboy 6 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Awesome, you're the best!^This.Faleel, how do you rip the music files from these games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 It all depends on the game and how the music files are encoded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoreboy 6 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Found a converter that can do the TTT video game, but I can't identify any music files in the Third Age game (PS2)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Found a converter that can do the TTT video game, but I can't identify any music files in the Third Age game (PS2)...Check your PM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 Alright, so I was able to get hold of Youtube videos of the FOTR live to projection, and miraculously, I was able to get hold of pretty much every scene that Jim Ware's notes indicate as having changes.So without furthur ado, here are some of these bits recreated either with creative editing of the existing recordings, or via mockups:The Flight To The Ford (Alternate and Live To Projection version)The Sword That Was Broken (Live To Projection Version)A Shortcut To Mushrooms (Live To Projection Version) Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The synth trumpet sounds horrible. Want something smoother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 Want something smoother?Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 How does the original sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 This original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Just something I noticed because of listening to the Use Well the Days doc:Compare to 9:03-9:19 of the OST track The Return of the King to 9:23-9:39 of the CR track The Fellowship Reunited, the Fiddle is missing from the CR track (either dialed out from the CR, or mixed really low), the Use Well the Days Doc has a few extra seconds of fiddle from 9:18-9:23 of the CR track, and a Whistle statement of the Shire theme from 10:31-11:02 of the CR track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,350 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 UWTD also has a missing section of Frodo's Song V2, it goes between 0:42 of Days of the Ring and the bit from Pt. 2 of the conversations with HS on the rarities.and an alternate of The Mouth of Sauron 3:17-3:29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I noticed you said "listening" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 I noticed you said "listening" To a rip of the audio of course . Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 You noticed the additional whistle just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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